D5 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[Loose Canon]

Really sweet of you to quote me Halrob.

Oh I'm blushing
Or red faced with guilt.

No really I'm blushing

[hjelp]

@ halrob64

"Just reading this part of your skillset, you can audit a killed investigators action in this case cop. As Charle was killed do you not get to investigate his actions?"
yes, I can audit a killed investigators action and as I understand I can do it once in the game. I posted this D3

If townies want me to call for kongming3's report then I can do so. But I don't know if I will get an answer D3 or D4. I have waited to use the option to call for a killed investigator's report but since there's only one mafia left it might help us to find out who the Mafia was that ambushed kongming3, if we are lucky.

No one followed up this so I haven't used the option yet.
Regarding 3P, since I think Loose Canon is Mafia then it's only Ragian left that I think is 3P.
There is also something interesting regarding Charle.
D3 Charle posted

Good morning!! My result was "No Result", so either mafia have a blocker, or town has a jail keeper that wanted to save me? My guess is that there is a 3P and 1 Mafia left? There was only 1 kill last night, so my guess is that 3P killed EW and Mafia could either kill or block me and chose the latter. If we can lynch 3P today, then it should be easy. Following EW's advise, today everybody should claim their roles.

The thing is that Mafia actually shot EW and there is no Town jail keeper or similar claimed so Charle got blocked. Devon99 was killed D2. The last Mafia then blocked Charlie N2. Charle was a TOWN COP(Conditional Sanity). As I understand that is true alignment.
Further, Charle posted this D3

I investigated Ragian, but received a "No Result" back. I assume I was blocked by some kind of reason, or Ragian cannot be investigated?

So for now this is the situation in my eyes:
1. I am Town Cop
2. Halrob is Town (not sure what role but my investigation result was Town and Darin didn't protect me so it is true)
3. Darin Town Doc (Nobody else claimed doc as well)

4. Hjelp seems Townish

5. Loose is Scum or 3P (I cannot believe Sonic would put 2 exactly the same roles in a game with 11 players)

Not sure:
6. Ragian
7. Devante

My suspicion is that there are 1 scum and 1 3P, and those are between Loose, Devante & Ragian.

What I am not sure about is that why 3P didn't get the kill last night - maybe somebody did something to one of my 3 suspects last night that could have blocked him? That would give us the 3P.

Ragian's answer was

LOL...what do I have to do to get some town cred here? I pick out Strike D1 (yes, randomly to get shit going, but surely I wouldn't pick a scummate D1) and I help sway the lynch back onto Devon D2 when some were wavering. What do you want from me, man?

I realise that I could still be 3rd party, but unless you were blocked/jailed, you should've gotten a read on me. I'm in no way immune to investigation.

I also like that you echo exactly what I'm saying about the 3rd party being blocked or otherwise inhibited last night (or that they targeted one of the ones that were protected, which, as it looks right now, would be either you or hjelp).

@Charle, how does not having EW around affect your role?

Read carefully the second paragraph Ragian wrote
"... I realise that I could still be 3rd party, but unless you were blocked/jailed, you should've gotten a read on me. I'm in no way immune to investigation. ..."

Ragian's claim seems to be incorrect.

Sorry for the late answer, it took me a while to find the posts.

[hjelp]

And if Charle got blocked then only the last Mafia could have done that.

[hjelp]

So far I haven't changed my mind regarding Loose Canon as Mafia.

[Loose Canon]

Credit where credits due Hjelp.

That's a good find on ragian.

[hjelp]

or can it be that the last Mafia also has the posion?

...


“Good morning, Doc, my dear,”
Said Dino smooth, with charm sincere.
“We come in peace — let’s make that clear,
Just here to chat, just bend your ear.”

The Doctor smiled, unsure, polite,
“These appointments weren’t on my site.”
Luigi laughed, his grin too wide,
“Consultancy, Doc — ’cause we’re on your side.”

“Step one,” said Luigi, “accuse with flair!
Step two, deny they’ve got a prayer.
Step three, minimize — make them feel small.
Step four, suggest you know it all.”

Nine little steps to twist a tale,
Till truth and fiction share one jail.

The Doctor’s pen began to shake.
“I’m not the one who makes them break!”
“Oh sure,” said Dino, “we get it, Doc —
Just stress, and the time on the clock.”

Luigi grinned wide, “We’re here to help.
Keep things calm, avoid a yelp.
“We mean no harm — it’s all technique.
A little pressure, soft, oblique.”

Luigi leaned close, his voice a hum,
“Remember, Doc — results must come.”
He opened his suitcase, flicked a switch — the lights went red.

The Doctor froze — then saw the sign:
His own creation, by design.
The Reid Machine, cold, gleamed divine —
The Doctor’s guilt… his Frankenstein.

And as it hummed, he heard them say,
“— it’s just our way.”

I have several time referred to this. Turned to Mafia (the lights went red). There haven't been any explosives, hence Doc.
A Doc has access to poison.
A Mafia Doc (poisoner) also roleblocker and killer.

Is it possible?

If so then Loose Canon's claim is correct and Ragian's claim is incorrect.

[halrob64]

I thought from the poems that the doc had access to poison but it appears that Darin didn't he was town, but that still does not make sense to me.
Not too many options left to find though now

[Ragian]

What is incorrect, hjelp?

And Loose, why do you keep calling me investigation proof? I'm one shot bulletproof.

[Loose Canon]

The reason why I keerp calling you investigation proof Ragian is;

Don't we get notifications when the day starts, damnit?!?!

Anyway...I don't understand self lynching without a purpose. Last game, I offered to lynch myself IF people would then lynch Son!c the next day. Darin just hammered himself without explanation, without pointing a finger, and without having participated too much in the game. That kind of blows, man.

Losing Charle is bad, but it does give us a cleared townie in halrob, which is good.

Hjelp seems to think that it can only be between me and Loose, and while I think Loose looks worse and worse, I'm not sure what makes hjelp discount himself. Or Devante for that matter. The classic scum LyLo game is to offer up two possibilities for scum and then when you lynch one of them, you go, "Ooops, must be the other one, then." And then scum wins. Very clever.

Now, we're five people left:
- Ragian: 1-shot bulletproof ascetic town
- Halrob: Cleared town by Charle (can't remember role because it was altered due to poisoning or something)
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- Devante: Unknown
- Loose: Claimed cop (despite there being a dead cop already)
- Hjelp: Claimed analyst (a role that seems useless given that Charle never needed an analyst to get the right result)

Supposedly, we're looking for the last mafia guy and, I think, a 3rd party poisoner (but there hasn't been any poisoning as of late, so I don't know if that role just slipped away with Darin like halrob said...I haven't really read the poems...).

Given that we're that few left, there's no real reason not to reveal all roles, so here goes: I am 1-Shot Bulletproof Town Ascetic. This means that I have one night where I'm protected from all kills targeting me, and all other things targeting me that night (protection, investigation, etc.) will fail as roleblocked.

Now, Devante, can you tell us about your role?

The all other things targetting me at night (protection, investigation, etc) - is why I'm repeating what you described your role as.
Think you did make either a mafia slip - or maybe 3P slip - either here or in your post to Charle that Hjelp pickedup on.

Don't we get notifications when scumslips occur, damnitt?!?!
Do rival scum factions get them damnitt damnitt ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Ragian]

Oh, you think I have used my ability.

[Ragian]

I can see you wanting to make that leap. Nice try. I haven't used my one shot ability yet, so I haven't been immune to any investigation.

[Ragian]

What's your next accusation that is supposed to cloud the fact that you refuse to answer why anyone would think you're town at this point?

@halrob and Devante, this Loose chaos will go on indefinitely until this day ends. Hopefully, you will arrive at the same conclusion as me: Loose is scum. Hopefully, you will also come to the conclusion that my play throughout the game shows that I'm town. However, that's not important till D5. More importantly, when we go to night, it's important that you put the protective role to good use.

Now, I'll get ready to see my friend and his son wrestle. Till tomorrow! Toodles.

Vote Loose

[Loose Canon]

Fine, Ragian but its up to Halrob and Devante who gets lynched.

And almost certainly 2 out of Me, you and Hjelp are badduns.

There's arguments pro and con about each of us I guess and we are all fighting our corner.

Maybe your son and his friend should fight yours.

Good luck to them anyway
(assuming wrestling is a real fight - like assuming you are real town - that is)

[hjelp]

And here is a second contradiction.

Ragian's first claim is having Ascetic one night occasion and one shot bulletproof.

...

Now, we're five people left:
- Ragian: 1-shot bulletproof ascetic town
- Halrob: Cleared town by Charle (can't remember role because it was altered due to poisoning or something)
---
- Devante: Unknown
- Loose: Claimed cop (despite there being a dead cop already)
- Hjelp: Claimed analyst (a role that seems useless given that Charle never needed an analyst to get the right result)

Supposedly, we're looking for the last mafia guy and, I think, a 3rd party poisoner (but there hasn't been any poisoning as of late, so I don't know if that role just slipped away with Darin like halrob said...I haven't really read the poems...).

Given that we're that few left, there's no real reason not to reveal all roles, so here goes: I am 1-Shot Bulletproof Town Ascetic. This means that I have one night where I'm protected from all kills targeting me, and all other things targeting me that night (protection, investigation, etc.) will fail as roleblocked.
...

Ragian's second claim is having Ascetic all the time. Ragian's answer First paragraph, second sentense "... I'm ascetic all the time ..."

Yes you can and would colour it as bad on me, not too difficult is it?

On the other hand Rag what exactly is it about your claimed role, that you couldn't claim it D3?
Your claimed 1 shot ascetic is NO USE TO TOWN AT ALL - just if true protects and disguises yourself.
And if not true protects and disguises yourself.

At least all circumstantial evidence on me is stuff I've said yes true to.

Fpd

First and foremost, you scummy skimmer, I claimed 1 shot bulletproof. I'm ascetic all the time. Second, don't you understand how bulletproof can be beneficial to town? Then you need to up your game. Third, why would anyone claim out of the blue? It only helps scum. I can't believe that hasn't penetrated you yet. As it were.

But hey, if your case against me is that I didn't claim yesterday for no reason when not pressured, I will, of course, cave.

Ascetic all the time means always, not one occasion.

Ragian's Third statement

I can see you wanting to make that leap. Nice try. I haven't used my one shot ability yet, so I haven't been immune to any investigation.

Case 1: one occasion Ascetic not used
Ragian hasn't yet used the one occasion immune, then Charle instead would have been blocked by Mafia.

Case 2: Ascetic all the time immune
Ragian is always immune then Charle would have been blocked by Ragian or could have been blocked by Mafia.


@ Ragian
Regarding incorrect claim

...

Good morning!! My result was "No Result", so either mafia have a blocker, or town has a jail keeper that wanted to save me? My guess is that there is a 3P and 1 Mafia left? There was only 1 kill last night, so my guess is that 3P killed EW and Mafia could either kill or block me and chose the latter. If we can lynch 3P today, then it should be easy. Following EW's advise, today everybody should claim their roles.

The thing is that Mafia actually shot EW and there is no Town jail keeper or similar claimed so Charle got blocked. Devon99 was killed D2. The last Mafia then blocked Charlie N2. Charle was a TOWN COP(Conditional Sanity). As I understand that is true alignment.
Further, Charle posted this D3

I investigated Ragian, but received a "No Result" back. I assume I was blocked by some kind of reason, or Ragian cannot be investigated?

So for now this is the situation in my eyes:
1. I am Town Cop
2. Halrob is Town (not sure what role but my investigation result was Town and Darin didn't protect me so it is true)
3. Darin Town Doc (Nobody else claimed doc as well)

4. Hjelp seems Townish

5. Loose is Scum or 3P (I cannot believe Sonic would put 2 exactly the same roles in a game with 11 players)

Not sure:
6. Ragian
7. Devante

My suspicion is that there are 1 scum and 1 3P, and those are between Loose, Devante & Ragian.

What I am not sure about is that why 3P didn't get the kill last night - maybe somebody did something to one of my 3 suspects last night that could have blocked him? That would give us the 3P.

Ragian's answer was

LOL...what do I have to do to get some town cred here? I pick out Strike D1 (yes, randomly to get shit going, but surely I wouldn't pick a scummate D1) and I help sway the lynch back onto Devon D2 when some were wavering. What do you want from me, man?

I realise that I could still be 3rd party, but unless you were blocked/jailed, you should've gotten a read on me. I'm in no way immune to investigation.

I also like that you echo exactly what I'm saying about the 3rd party being blocked or otherwise inhibited last night (or that they targeted one of the ones that were protected, which, as it looks right now, would be either you or hjelp).

@Charle, how does not having EW around affect your role?

Read carefully the second paragraph Ragian wrote
"... I realise that I could still be 3rd party, but unless you were blocked/jailed, you should've gotten a read on me. I'm in no way immune to investigation. ..."

Ragian's claim seems to be incorrect.
...

Now you have stated
- that you're always Ascetic - you are always immune to investigations.
- that you're one occasion Ascetic haven't used yet.
- that you're in no way immune to investigation.

You are contradicting yourself.

What I think, to spell it out
- Ragian can be Mafia Doc (posion added) Ascetic Bulletproof - or Mafia Doc (poison added) , which might explain why no poisoning after N2 (ran out of poison).
If Ragian is Mafia then I guess there is no need for Bulletproof since the game set up uses poison.
Anyhow
- Ragian can be 3P Ascetic Bulletproof.
- Ragian can be Mafia Ascetic Bulletproof.

If Ragian is 3P Ascetic Bulletproof then I think Loose Canon is Mafia according to Assumptions I and II. But if Loose Canon is Mafia Doc, why claiming Cop instead of Doc.
Actually
I think I will change my mind. Ragian Mafia Doc (poison added) seems reasonable.
Why is it reasonalbe in addition to what I now have stated?
Ragian has severeal times stated that one shall wait and not vote fast. Now Ragian made the opposite - voted fast. Seems odd.
It's not like it will be a fast lynch in a L-1 situation but it's a push for a fast vote as starter.
IF Ragian is Mafia Ascetic Bulletproof or 3P Ascetic Bulletproof or Mafia Doc (poison added), then to really know - only a lynch can tell.

These are my thoughts.

[Loose Canon]

At works Xmas do.

I really love you guys

[halrob64]

Have a great time Loose just been on the piss with my old Royal Marine buddies

[Loose Canon]

I really lobe you halrob

[Devante]

Hal, I'm rereading the whole topic from the start. For the time being though which way you leaning for who's scum who's the 3p?

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:


Loose Canon: (1) Ragian


With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch!


D4a7h of the REID ENDS this Saturday december 6th 23.59 pm Saint Nicholas Day (00.00 Sunday december 7th Guatamala time : Quema del Diablo!!)

December 6 is the 340th day of the year in the Gregorian calendar;

FINAL CLUE PROVIDED BY DR. LECTER:

A scrap of paper was found at the morgue in the dead cop’s pocket — three short lines, a string of nonsense letters, and a dual row of ten odd symbols. Whoever stitched this together wanted to hide a name?

On the back of the paper the following text was found:


"The truth lies boxed in rows of five,
Where letters sleep but numbers thrive.
Two threehundred thirty-fours will point the way,
To the one who shoots each night
At twelve and fifteen hours twice he’d sway,
Nineteen minutes past five — beware!
Night Three—then on one—began the con,
?, ?, ? — the ? begins
The ? on the NIGHTKILL.

He speaks before thinking, speaks too soon..
He jumps from vote to vote but sometimes not, confuses wagons, and stirs the boat..
He oscillates through votes, debates, deflects, distracts, and confounds constantly, and A masked figure hides..
He stirs shadows, schemes wildly, sabotages, switches sides, and sneaks unseen nightly, The masked one hides in shadowed rooms..
He likes the pressure swing..
He casts confusion,
Kills,
He overwhelms the weak-minded easily, nudges whispers, never lets the town see clearly..
He stirs chaos with flair, never shows restraint, strikes deadly with lead, secrets thrive everywhere!
He confuses every wagon, chaos blooms, The one who stalks the night with glee!
"

[halrob64]

I'm going to read back through the clues, the truth is out there if you look for it. So will get back to you.

[Loose Canon]

OK I'm back and reasonably sobering up.

The evidence against me is mainly that I wasn't on the Devon lynch, whereas others were - correct?

I have an explanation for why I wasn't on the Devon lynch.
As for why others were on it - that lynch didn't happen till it did late in the day and with the website chaos some players who might have got off it didn't necessarily have the chance to, or took a gamble that it wouldn't happen, and/or didn't think they could get off it without looking suspicious if they did get off it.
There is an argument for lynching me today rather than tomorrow - why put off till tomorrow what you can do today - correct?
As things stand there will still be suspicion on me tomorrow unless real mafia is lynched today.

I as near as damnit know Ragian and Hjelp must be mafia and 3p.
I think there is a stronger case that Rag is the mafia and Hjelp the 3P, than vice versa. Or at least equal probability.

Town needs to get either Mafia or 3P today.
For tomorrow I'd like to know whether the not being on the Devon lynch is still the main argument against me.
If it is then with me still in the game but with 3P down then I'm in trouble D5.
If it is me still in the game but with Mafia down and out then we are looking at a different burden of guilt equation entirely.

And I'm not saying that there are not necessarily other reasons for suspicions on me too, much of my joking around may well be suspicious too for instance.

I just know you can't go wrong by lynching either Ragian or Hjelp D4, and the case against Ragian is probably now stronger than the case against me.
I do reckon from Halrob and Devantes perspective though, the case against Hjelp is probably currently weaker than the case against me - but there is a case.

[Ragian]

What a night! Hung over now. And just to clarify, it's not my son wrestling, it's my mates son. I did create my mate's entry song, though

With hangovers, you always realise hideous things about yourself. Hjelp is indeed correct in saying that I've contradicted myself because I just googled ascetic townie, and apparently it's an actual role and not, as I thought, Son!c adding flavour. Ironically, Son!c, in his role PM, asked me to summarise my role to show comprehension, and I replied that I would be Plato throughout the game (if interested in further reading, this is were my brain went), leading Son!c to believe that I had understood my role and confirming my belief that it was flavour. So. Yeah. I have contradicted myself. However, I have not lied. I have stated exactly what I believed to be the truth. It just so happens that I'm a sloppy moron who is good at analysing people's play, but, evidently, rubbish at preparing for a game

Now, I understand how Loose and help want to take advantage of my idiocy, and I don't blame them at all. If scum, I would've done the same saying that it shows that nothing I've said throughout the game is to be trusted.

However, I'm happy enough with my gameplay that I won't decend to auto-flagellation because the following is true despite my idiocy:
1) I threw shade at Strike D1
2) I swayed the vote on Devon D2
These two should suffice in proving that I'm not mafia.
3) I urged caution D3 when (almost) everyone else steamed in to vote for Devante and Loose, leaving town in the dark about the coming days.
This should strongly insinuate that I'm not 3rd party poisoner. A 3rd party wants town to know as little as possible. And while we lost the doc D3 (Darin's play still baffles me), we sorted out that we could indeed trust Halton and subsequently Devante.

Hjelp was on Devon's vote train, and early too, so he's not mafia. He's our 3rd party, though, and I'm happy to have stated earlier in the game that I found his play altered from our previous game. Several times.

Loose is mafia. He steered clear of lynching Devon and never countered any cop claim.

This is what the gameplay tells us.

@halrob & Devante, ball is in your court. If you lynch me, the two scumsters might have to go for each other because otherwise, they're locked against each other the last day. Whoever of the two scumsters left that has a roleblocking ability, however, could win by blocking the other and killing a townie. Then, the last day will then either be the last townie siding with either of the two scumsters letting that person win or scumters siding with each other for a shared win or a win for whoever of them that has a role blocking ability.

Now, that's enough out of me. Everyone knows where I stand and why. I'll maintain that the gameplay clearly favours me, but it wouldn't be the first time that I missed a sitter out of idiocy

FP'ed by loads. Sorry. Am on phone. It took forever to write.

[Ragian]

Sorry, Hjelp, my phone keeps correcting your name. I hope I fixed most of them.

[hjelp]

@ Devon
If you are saying that Loose Canon is Mafia then you are 3P.
As I said before, this is my second Mafia game I'm now playing and I haven't yet developed a strategy how to play Mafia games. If you say I play it different then I do. I'm trying to learn how to play. You on the other hand is an experienced player and know that the argument regarding me playing difflerent doesn't say much.
I think you're trying to push away suspicions against you and the one to blame are me and Loose Canon. At least I have yours and Loose Canon's words in print that I can use as facts.
And if you

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3) I urged caution D3 when (almost) everyone else steamed in to vote for Devante and Loose, leaving town in the dark about the coming days.
This should strongly insinuate that I'm not 3rd party poisoner. A 3rd party wants town to know as little as possible. ...

then you fit as 3P since you haven't been very helpful to let Town to know, rather Town to knows as little as possible. You have kept Town in the dark and refused to reveal you role. Moreover, you contradicted yourself and I don't think you're a moron so I think you'r trying to talk you out of your corner.

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[Loose Canon]

@HJELP - I now agree with the benefit of hindsight that Devon should be lynched.
Can my words in print that you will use against me reflect for the record that I'm totally and always have been onboard with that! LOL
(I know you meant Ragian)

@RAGIAN
Ever heard of the saying "like father like mates son"
I know in wrestling there's always a goodie and a baddie.
If you wrote your mates sons music, your mates son has to be a baddie.
You gave away your taste in music when you hosted the Black Metal Mafia game remember?
There's no way you'd have written a sugar pop entry song for the fella.

I'd be happy going into tonight 3 v 1 (with me under suspicion as mafia) with no way I'd be able to win the game from there unless I could get a mislynch D5 from the remaining 2/3 players
If Rag flips mafia town can win and my town stance can be vindicated.
Rag wants 2 v 1 v 1 going into tonight.