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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Bernie Sanders on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:12 am

Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby karel on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:15 am

speak for your self,bernie sanders the biggest socialist out there
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Bernie Sanders on Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:33 am

karel wrote:speak for your self,bernie sanders the biggest socialist out there

Jesus himself would be denied to enter any race as a Republican.

Thanks for the compliment Karel!
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby notyou2 on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:36 pm

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Symmetry wrote:Meh, people who put Trump in the top ten are just idiots.

agreed. he's not even a real president - just a distraction. pretty good one of those, tho.


and i guess your one of them idiots who put obama for 8 yrs and completely destroy our country


Do you think it was the colour of his skin or the fact he was a muslim Kenyan that ruined your country?
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby tzor on Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:01 pm

Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:28 pm

tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"


I'm not a scriptural expert, but I'm pretty sure that "concentrate all the wealth in the hands of a tiny minority, then tell the poor to go f*ck themselves" is NOT EXACTLY in tune with Luke 12:15, or with Matthew 6:24, or with 1 Timothy 6:18.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:25 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"


I'm not a scriptural expert, but I'm pretty sure that "concentrate all the wealth in the hands of a tiny minority, then tell the poor to go f*ck themselves" is NOT EXACTLY in tune with Luke 12:15, or with Matthew 6:24, or with 1 Timothy 6:18.


Those rules certainly apply to Christians. Whether or not they apply to the non-Christian political world is a different issue entirely. Jesus lived in a time when slavery was common and women were considered chattel but didn't mention either of those topics implying that political circumstances weren't very important to him and shouldn't be important to Christians.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Army of GOD on Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:23 pm

Two term limit is the greatest precedent
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby karel on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:18 am

your all f*cking wrong,trump will win again,he has only done better then that chit bag obama has done in 8 yrs that trump has done in 6 months,more jobs,stock market at record highs,facts are fact ,so suck it up idiots,trumpknows what he is doing,only if fake news cnn,msnbc,and other will tell any lie to toss trump under the bus,fact is you snow flakes lost get the f*ck over it,killary was was a waste of air,anf that b*tch will fry in jail soon enough for murder,just like them lame brain dems keep tossing out there job,jobs,well what the hell you think trump wants to do.And for the whole green card thing trump is right,your not coming over here to live off welfare,if you have a skill then fine,but if not stay home,obama was the welfare prez,and everyone in the ghetto or slums loved him cuz of that,its time for all theses fat over weight asses to get a job.trump is not a welfare prez,s get over it and move on,stop living off tax payers you fat asses,transgender freaks and who ever goes into that group,im sick of people b*tching about trump not doing anything,he has done more for this country then any prez in last 50 yrs,he is not selling out america,but making it better,but you snow flakes will never come to terms about it,so whats the point right?lame azz welfare people who want everything for free,well nothing is for free,you have to wrk for what you want in life
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:04 am

It took me 5 minutes to fix your terrible grammar. Not sure if you're a 5th grade drop out, or if you're still in the 5th grade. Between you and Confederate butchering the English language, it doesn't exactly paint a pretty picture on either of your intelligence scales.

I'll break this down for you, barney style, though. Probably a waste of time, but oh well.

karel wrote:You're all f*cking wrong. Trump will win again, he has done better than that shit bag Obama has done in 8 years that Trump has done in 6 months. There are more jobs, stock market at record highs, facts are fact, so suck it up idiots.


That's a very boastful claim, especially when you compare 8 years to 6 months. Ever heard of the term "fluctuation"? Or how about the analogy of comparing Apples to Apples and not Apples to Oranges? Compare Obama and Trump to their first 6 months in office if you want a real analysis on who is better. Not going to do that for you, because I hardly care who is better.

karel wrote:Trump knows what he is doing. Fake news such as CNN, MSNBC, and others, will tell any lie to toss Trump under the bus. Fact is, you snow flakes lost, get the f*ck over it.


Between him firing half the staff, his scare tactics and his abuse of his "friends", it's a wonder on how people still like Trump.

Fake news is infowars and such that will you tell vaccinations cause autism, and that the water is contaminated with nano-bots that control your brain, and that President Bush is really a lizard. The mainstream media is biased, but still a little bit more accurate in their journalism and reporting. Pretty big difference there. Biased news is the term you're looking for.

Do you call everyone a snow flake that has a problem with Trump? The fact that you wrote this long winded complaint like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum tells me you're the snow flake. Lol.

karel wrote:Killary was a waste of air, and that bitch will fry in jail soon enough for murder. Just like the lame brain Democrats that keep tossing out jobs. Well what the hell do you think Trump wants to do?


Hillary blew, no argument. Between both candidates, it was either vote for a stinky piece of shit, or a polished piece of shit. Both suck, and that's the sad reality we faced. I took no part in it and voted for Gary Johnson. Pretty weak candidate, but oh well.

No idea what jobs you're talking about. Do you mean taking away jobs? "THEY STOLE R JOOOOBZ!".

I have no idea what Trump wants to do. I'm pretty sure the guy is bi-polar. What I would like for him to do is stop acting as if his twitter feed is the only way of communicating with the rest of America. I'd also like for him to follow through with his promise on repealing Obama Care, not try to give us a shittier version of it.

karel wrote:And for the whole green card thing, Trump is right, you're not coming over here to live off of welfare. If you have a skill then fine, but if not stay home. Obama was the welfare President, and everyone in the ghetto or slums loved him because of that. Its time for all theses fat over weight asses to get a job.


Dafuq did you just write? Did you proof read this? Rhetorical, don't answer. You didn't.
If you don't have skill, then stay at home, but if you live in a ghetto or slum, where, chances are, you have little to no skill, get a job? Well, what do you want these people to do? To get a job or to just stay at home? Or do you want them to have a stay at home job? Kind of see how you voted for Trump, you're just as bi-polar as he is.

karel wrote:Trump is not a welfare President, get over it and move on. Stop living off tax payers you fat asses. (Transgender freaks and who ever goes into that group).


Sure, I have a problem with Transgenders taking advantage of the military benefits to change their sex while they serve for a bare minimum of three years, but I wouldn't resort to calling them freaks. People with a disorder or mental illness, or a different lifestyle, whatever you want to call it, have every right to pursue whatever dream they want provided it isn't a threat or hostile to others. f*ck off, bigot.

karel wrote:I'm sick of people bitching about Trump not doing anything. He has done more for this country then any President in the last 50 years. He is not selling out America, but making it better, but you snow flakes will never come to terms about it, so whats the point right? Lame ass welfare people who want everything for free. Well nothing is for free, you have to work for what you want in life.


You probably weren't even alive 50 years ago, or remember any of the Presidents in those 50 years to know their accomplishments. I certainly don't, but I can guarantee you, I can go back, and take one of those Presidents, and just shit on your argument if I really wanted to.
Again, the bare bones argument here is that Trump hasn't even been in for ONE FULL TERM, not even a year you stupid f*ck, and you have the audacity to say he's the best thing in America? Are you dense? Is your family like this? Are they all dense?

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this man or woman or whatever is clearly incapable of thought. Please don't include him/her in the next population count. Pretty sure he isn't human to begin with.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:44 am

tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"


Sure buddy.

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For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

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Re: greatest President ever

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:09 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:
tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"


Sure buddy.

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I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.


Jesus was talking to one man when he said to sell everything he had and give it to the poor. It's not entirely clear if that instruction was for all believers all the time or only for that particular rich man. It comes back to a basic understanding of idolatry. We can presume that the rich man let his riches become an idol to him. It's like God's instruction to Abraham to kill his son. It's an instruction to give up a possible idol and it is directed at one particular person in the bible. It is not meant to be read as an instruction to everyone else.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby 2dimes on Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:24 am

He was talking to one man when he directed him to give everything away. The point was not, "Be homeless it's fun!"

It was that if we get rid of our stuff, we can focus on a different aspect of life, Possibly going from, "Today, I need to fix the roof and clean up the yard." To, "I think I'll go downtown, buy some extra food for lunches and talk with some people who are having a rough day."

But for some people it is easier to be kind to the poor, if they have a comfortable place to rest before and after.

The question or situation is somewhat personal currently. I'm probably making the wrong choices.


tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"


Oh oh, tzor has wrote another thing I agree with.

Duke's rebuttal certainly should feel biting not only to some people in congress but much more so to a large number of church going folks.

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I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.


When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”

“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:35 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:
tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Jesus Christ would make a great President, but the Republicans would brand him a SOCIALIST aka COMMUNIST.


:lol: Always love it when people try to project themselves on people, especially Jesus of Nazareth.

The gospels don't have any of his political viewpoints. He obviously didn't consider the current religious authorities with high regard, but he was also very neutral against the Roman Occupying Forces. He would have made a libertarian happy, until he told them "of course you have to pay your taxes, whose face is on the dollar bill?"


Sure buddy.

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I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.


Jesus was talking to one man when he said to sell everything he had and give it to the poor. It's not entirely clear if that instruction was for all believers all the time or only for that particular rich man. It comes back to a basic understanding of idolatry. We can presume that the rich man let his riches become an idol to him. It's like God's instruction to Abraham to kill his son. It's an instruction to give up a possible idol and it is directed at one particular person in the bible. It is not meant to be read as an instruction to everyone else.


That's a pretty shitty argument yoshi. If what you say is true there would be a bunch of examples of Jesus contradicting this statement in the bible also. I'm highly doubtful you can find quotes in the new testament where Jesus say's "save all your money, buy loads of stuff, don't give to the poor. the one who dies with the most toys wins".
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:13 pm

Oh, I didn't realize we live in a binary world where the only options are "Give Everything" and "Save Everything". Sorry I missed the memo on that one.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:38 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Oh, I didn't realize we live in a binary world where the only options are "Give Everything" and "Save Everything". Sorry I missed the memo on that one.


Obviously, intermediate states exist, but would you or would you not agree that Jesus was on the "kind and generous" part of the spectrum?
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:42 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Oh, I didn't realize we live in a binary world where the only options are "Give Everything" and "Save Everything". Sorry I missed the memo on that one.


Not saying the world is binary ... but jesus' message... pretty binary bro. If it wasn't you could find some of examples of him saying the opposite of what he said to this guy. If what he said to this guy was a '0', you could find a message that directly contradicts it (1). Doubtful you can find that in the Jesus part of the bible.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby tzor on Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:17 pm

Dukasaur wrote:I'm not a scriptural expert, but I'm pretty sure that "concentrate all the wealth in the hands of a tiny minority, then tell the poor to go f*ck themselves" is NOT EXACTLY in tune with Luke 12:15, or with Matthew 6:24, or with 1 Timothy 6:18.


Well, let's see ...

Then he said to the crowd, “Take care to guard against all greed, for though one may be rich, one’s life does not consist of possessions.”

“No one can serve two masters. He will either hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."

I'm going to skip 1 Timothy 6:16 because that is Paul, not Jesus. So anyway, what does government have to do with this? Did he not say, "one may be rich?" Likewise the second quote does not say that a person cannot be rich, only that he must serve God and not serve his own self and property.

And with that, let's take up Paul's quote in its context, because the previous lines are interesting also ...

Tell the rich in the present age not to be proud and not to rely on so uncertain a thing as wealth but rather on God, who richly provides us with all things for our enjoyment. Tell them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous, ready to share,thus accumulating as treasure a good foundation for the future, so as to win the life that is true life.


Again this is advice for the person who has wealth not to rely on that wealth. It doesn't suggest that this wealth is, in and of itself, bad. true richness, Paul insists, is in good works, not in coin or property. But he is not telling Caesar to take the money from the rich man; because that wealth is uncertain. He doesn't tell Caesar to force the man to do good works, he tells the man directly, just as he would tell anyone to do good works.

I am not seeing the socialism here.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:24 pm

Ok Tzor, it ain't Socialism it's right wing conservatism. Didn't know that Jesus was practicing today's Republicanism. Hail Trump and all his Jesus teachings!
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby targetman377 on Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:36 pm

hmmmm This is a tough one... who would i pick.... dang let me think i am stuck on one.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Woodruff on Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:08 am

karel wrote:your all f*cking wrong,trump will win again,he has only done better then that chit bag obama has done in 8 yrs that trump has done in 6 months,more jobs,stock market at record highs,facts are fact ,so suck it up idiots,trumpknows what he is doing,only if fake news cnn,msnbc,and other will tell any lie to toss trump under the bus,fact is you snow flakes lost get the f*ck over it,killary was was a waste of air,anf that b*tch will fry in jail soon enough for murder,just like them lame brain dems keep tossing out there job,jobs,well what the hell you think trump wants to do.And for the whole green card thing trump is right,your not coming over here to live off welfare,if you have a skill then fine,but if not stay home,obama was the welfare prez,and everyone in the ghetto or slums loved him cuz of that,its time for all theses fat over weight asses to get a job.trump is not a welfare prez,s get over it and move on,stop living off tax payers you fat asses,transgender freaks and who ever goes into that group,im sick of people b*tching about trump not doing anything,he has done more for this country then any prez in last 50 yrs,he is not selling out america,but making it better,but you snow flakes will never come to terms about it,so whats the point right?lame azz welfare people who want everything for free,well nothing is for free,you have to wrk for what you want in life


You still haven't listed the Trump policies that have led to these great results.

Are you planning on just hiding from it...must be sad to be such a frightened little gun-toting idiot.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby karel on Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:18 pm

unemployment at all time low,obama all time high......stock market at all times high,obama all time low.......more jobs made,saved us more money instead of spending at all times highs.fighting crime at high levels,under obama no crime fighting....he has done this all in 6 months.Obama could nt do this in 8 yrs,so dont tell me trump has not done nothing,wait till his new immigration policy goes into effect,that will save us more money,and wait till his budget comes out,your all jealous cuz your BOY could not do this,and trump is not a pussy like obama was...and wait till he goes after sanctuary cities,hope he cuts fed funding off to states that will not comply,then maybe,just maybe snow flakes will figure it out,but i dont have any faith in that
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:34 pm

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DoomYoshi wrote:Oh, I didn't realize we live in a binary world where the only options are "Give Everything" and "Save Everything". Sorry I missed the memo on that one.


Not saying the world is binary ... but jesus' message... pretty binary bro. If it wasn't you could find some of examples of him saying the opposite of what he said to this guy. If what he said to this guy was a '0', you could find a message that directly contradicts it (1). Doubtful you can find that in the Jesus part of the bible.


Yes I can find examples of him saying it both ways.

In Luke 10, Jesus appoints 72 disciples to go forth and tells them:
After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them on ahead of him, two by two, into every town and place where he himself was about to go. And he said to them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore pray earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest. Go your way; behold, I am sending you out as lambs in the midst of wolves. Carry no moneybag, no knapsack, no sandals, and greet no one on the road. Whatever house you enter, first say, ‘Peace be to this house!’ And if a son of peace is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if not, it will return to you. And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do not go from house to house. Whenever you enter a town and they receive you, eat what is set before you. Heal the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ But whenever you enter a town and they do not receive you, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town that clings to our feet we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near.’ I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town.


Later on, at the Last Supper he tells them:
And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”


So if you have a moneybag you are allowed to take it, just not idolize it.

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DoomYoshi wrote:Oh, I didn't realize we live in a binary world where the only options are "Give Everything" and "Save Everything". Sorry I missed the memo on that one.


Obviously, intermediate states exist, but would you or would you not agree that Jesus was on the "kind and generous" part of the spectrum?


I would argue that socialism isn't on the kind and generous part of the spectrum. It is up to believers and the church to determine the level of generosity not the government. The government can carry out God's will but they can take something beautiful like generosity and pervert it like scat porno.
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:22 pm

karel wrote:unemployment at all time low,obama all time high......stock market at all times high,obama all time low.......more jobs made,saved us more money instead of spending at all times highs.fighting crime at high levels,under obama no crime fighting....he has done this all in 6 months.Obama could nt do this in 8 yrs,so dont tell me trump has not done nothing,wait till his new immigration policy goes into effect,that will save us more money,and wait till his budget comes out,your all jealous cuz your BOY could not do this,and trump is not a pussy like obama was...and wait till he goes after sanctuary cities,hope he cuts fed funding off to states that will not comply,then maybe,just maybe snow flakes will figure it out,but i dont have any faith in that


"unemployment at all time low,obama all time high......stock market at all times high,obama all time low."

Geeezes karel, how stupid can you be? President Obama inherited a economic free fall and that's why he got elected.

Are you home schooled?

"trump is not a pussy like obama was"

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and in retirement he likes to hang glide

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What a pussy heh?
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Re: greatest President ever

Postby Bernie Sanders on Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:29 pm

One more thing about that Kenyan born Muslim Obama

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Now Karel tell me more about how tough Trump is? Hmmm, he likes to suck Putin's dick. Guess that's being pretty tough being a treasonous leader of the Free world.
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