[CC5] FALL vs LHDD [31-30] FINAL 9/04

[IcePack]

Anyone want to make public their predictions on score?

[Donelladan]

LHDD by a lot.
After all we have beaten PACK and TSM by a lot and it was unexpected, I don't see why this war should be any different

Good luck Fallen

[Dako]

Fall 32
LHDD 28

Cause beating ACE is much harder than TSM

[betiko]

Fall 32
LHDD 28

Cause beating ACE is much harder than TSM

Beating ace by 1 is not really harder than beating tsm by 13 (don t remember the score... But something like that) unless you have very little respect for tsm!

[Dako]

I faced ACE and I know how they play. TSM haven't been great in the past 2 years at all.

[rockfist]

Fall 32
LHDD 28

Cause beating ACE is much harder than TSM

Beating ace by 1 is not really harder than beating tsm by 13 (don t remember the score... But something like that) unless you have very little respect for tsm!

Beating anyone by 1 is much harder than beating someone by 13. When you win by one every move takes on huge significance. When you are ahead by so many games that you win by 13, if you mis-click a fort move, you figure its not going to be catastrophic. You want to be the guy that misdeploys or mis-clicks when you lose by 1? I sure in the hell don't. I don't know anyone who does.

[Dako]

Hear hear.

[Donelladan]

Beating anyone by 1 is much harder than beating someone by 13. When you win by one every move takes on huge significance. When you are ahead by so many games that you win by 13, if you mis-click a fort move, you figure its not going to be catastrophic. You want to be the guy that misdeploys or mis-clicks when you lose by 1? I sure in the hell don't. I don't know anyone who does.

Tss, ok, so my previous comment was only friendly pre-war banter; I do not really except us to beat FALL by "a lot" ( I'll try to do so but who knows).
I dunno if beating TSM by 13 is more an exploit than beating ACE by 1. What I know for sure, is that it is quite an achievement to be in the half finale of a CCcup for LHDD. And I believe it is the same for FALL.

But your comment, rockfist, is silly. Beating someone by 13 is much harder than beating someone by 1.

If tomorrow TOFU face LHDD, do you think it will be more impressive than TOFU beat LHDD by 1 game, or by 13?
If you beat us by 1 game, it means we actually have the same level, if you beat us with a 10+ game difference, it means you were, during this war at least, better than us.
A victory by 1 game, is ultimately, imo, a victory by luck, both clans could have win the war, and it came down to a few lucky rolls, because in any way, there is definitely more than 1 game decided by dices in any war. While a victory with a large margin, as I said, means you were better.

Surely, when the war is very tight until the end, there is much more pressure on the last games, but it doesn't mean winning by 1 game is much harder than winning by 10+ game

[Momo33]

LHDD home games have been created!

Good luck FALL!

[IcePack]

LHDD home games have been created!

Good luck FALL!

Exchanged set info, still @ work so they'll be created when I get home.

[IcePack]

Looks like games on both sides are created Cheers & Good Luck to all!

[Dako]

A victory by 1 game, is ultimately, imo, a victory by luck, both clans could have win the war, and it came down to a few lucky rolls, because in any way, there is definitely more than 1 game decided by dices in any war. While a victory with a large margin, as I said, means you were better.

Surely, when the war is very tight until the end, there is much more pressure on the last games, but it doesn't mean winning by 1 game is much harder than winning by 10+ game :shock:

I'd take a victory by 1 any time over a victory by 10. Victory by 10+ means another clan was in a really bad shape or out of your league. There is no pride in beating sick people or newbies. Beating a rival that is as good as you - man, that feels great. Such wars are intense, terrifying and thrilling, ahhh. Winning by 10+ means you can experiment with maps in the last batch or play carelessly.

[Arama86n]

I'd have to agree with Dako, winning by 1 against an equal opponent is something between horror and thrill, and often the most memorable wars. Winning by ten is empty, and soon forgotten.
Just a subjective opinion though of course, this is not a right/wrong sort of question.

[Donelladan]

@Dako @Arama86n

Well, I do not disagree about what you say, but you missed the point. rockfist was saying it is much more harder to beat someone by 1 game than by 13. This isn't true. It might if you speak about 2 differents clans, beating the 1st clan at F400 isn't of course the same as beating the last one. But beating the first clan at F400 by 13 games would definitely be more difficult than beating it by 1. Same for any clans. That's what I was saying.

Exactly the same as if i go for a best of 20 against any of you, it would be very difficult to achieve a 15-5, would be much more possible that I achieve a 11-9, kind of obvious isn't it? But rockfist was saying differently.

[Dako]

TOFU once lost 20-40 to Empire. And it was not the greatest achievement ever, nor was it difficult.

[Donelladan]

-_-"

I'll repeat a bit differently.

Beating jeff16 19-1 in a best of 20 wouldn't be better than beating you, Dako 11-9.
But it would still be more difficult to beat Dako 19-1 than 11-9 isn't it?


Same way beating one clan 41-20 is more difficult than beating the same clan 31-30. So beating one clan by 1 game isn't much harder than beating 1 clan by 13. Now if you are comparing apples and pears, it doesn't work, so gotta be speaking about the same thing.


Now I am definitely not saying the achievement of beating ACE by 1 clan is less an achievement than beating TSM by 13, because that would be comparing apples with pears. But let me say I would have been even more impressed if FALL had beaten ACE by 10 than now. Truly would have been.

And if you still want to tell me than beating someone by 1 is much harder than beating him by 13, that's fine, that's a boring argument.

[GoranZ]

Waterloo - Mother of all defeats, happened on 18-th of June 200 years ago.
French dont have victory on their own since then.

[Arama86n]

TOFU once lost 20-40 to Empire. And it was not the greatest achievement ever, nor was it difficult.

Which just illustrates that this is an infinitely more complex question that at first glace. It makes me think of that old Greek philosophical thought; At which point does Ship-X cease to be Ship-X? When you change one plank of wood? 50% of of the planks? All the planks? Is it still the same ship?
What is a clan but a title for an ever changing organisation. Dako is the only person in TOFU that was around when Empire beat us 20-40.
What happened to AFOS is a a good example of how this can happen in a week, as opposed to three years.
No need to elaborate further here I suppose.

It might be a bit of a stretch to see how I'm answering your question here Donelladan, but.. I am
And yes, I see your point. If LHDD face TOFU in the final this year (ie Clan A faces Clan B at an exact given point of time in history, and we discuss different possible outcomes of that specific war between those two parties as they were comprised at that point in time) then YES, beating TOFU by 13 games is more difficult than beating us my 1 game.
But as soon as we step away from discussing those clans at that specific point in time, the discussion becomes infinitely more complex.

[rockfist]

Of course beating the same someone by 10 is harder than beating them by one. A victory by one means a hard fought competitive affair. A victory by ten is a slaughter and totally uncompetitive. We were comparing TSM and ACE though and they aren't the same, you've convieniently ignored that part in setting up your straw man argument.

[General_Tao]

Waterloo - Mother of all defeats, happened on 18-th of June 200 years ago.
French dont have victory on their own since then.

Goran, when you're from a fake new country named after a bad gooey salad, you should not comment on history.

[JBlombier]

Good luck to both clans, because this should be a really good fight. I think LHDD will win by a little, but that's probably because they hammered us so badly

[IcePack]

FALL 35-26 LHDD ...

[Momo33]

Away invites have been sent for both clans. Everything should be filled by tomorrow.

I will update the 1st post with the number of the games tomorrow and I will post them for the CD's to add them!

Good luck everyone!

[Keefie]

LHDD 33 FALL 28

[IcePack]

Looks like all but one are getting started (that one had been accidentally dropped by LHDD, so everyones rejoining)
and that one should be starting shortly I imagine

Good luck again to both sides