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[Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby lackattack on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:33 am

Gilligan suggested the Ability to see teammates cards/spoils and it has been Pending for way too long. I have a proposal for how this could work and I'd like to get your feedback.

Here is what I did:

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1) My Spoils are no longer right under the map, but have been moved under your record in the stats table. This puts the action controls closer to the map, which I would think is a good thing since you use the controls more often than consulting your spoils.

2) Next to you and your teammates' spoils count in the stats table is a show/hide link. Click on each link to expand an extra line containing the corresponding player's spoils.

3) At the bottom of the stats table, for escalating spoils games, we print the value of the next set. I put this below the other stats because I figure it would be consulted less often than the other stats.

One variation is that your own spoils could always display by default and will not have a show/hide link. Another variation is that your teammate spoils could also display by default and will not have a show/hide link. Of course, showing spoils by deafult will make for more scrolling when you just want to check the stats.

Yes, some people will say that it should be up to the teammates to take the time to contantly post their spoils in game chat. I feel it is more important to level the playing field between organized and random teams, and this will let good teammates focus on coordinating actual strategy rather than doing tedious "paperwork" (or installing a community script to automate it!).
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:35 am

I like it. I can't see any downsides at all. Implement at once pls.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:37 am

what about people who hide stats via bob...
Also dako has a ridic awesome script that does this
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:38 am

HOLY f*ck HOW DID THIS GET IN HERE
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby the.killing.44 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:40 am

Oh.

Umm, what about side stats?
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby notyou2 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:42 am

What the f*ck you doin here .44?

Seriously, there is a script that does a great job of this now. I would rather see work done so that forum banned people can see their PM's, wall, etc.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby Leehar on Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:50 am

I don't say how this wouldn't be a good thing. Obviously Dako already has something similar, but as far as I know, only 600 people have dl'd that anyway. This will be a good thing to implement as part of the main site (I mean, how different is it from those wanting clickies?). And I don't really like dl'ing all these different scripts, so I really do like the idea, and it also just saves one extra step of sharing spoils deliberately. I still sometimes forget to click share spoils.

Btw, default is spelled default
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby oldrisky44 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:01 am

Your voting form is hard to understand.

I think the options should be...

1. Spoils should be visible to team members by default

2. Spoils should NOT be visible to team members

3. Spoils should be hidden from team members by default, but I like the option

4. It sucks (which is redundant and simplistic but I guess some people prefer to vote that way)
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby Night Strike on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:06 am

notyou2 wrote:What the f*ck you doin here .44?

Seriously, there is a script that does a great job of this now. I would rather see work done so that forum banned people can see their PM's, wall, etc.


1. It's a Global Announcement so it shows up in all forums.

2. Lack has stated in the past that it makes more sense to code features that affect a large percentage of the people on the site rather than very limited features. Especially when those features are for people who break the rules.

On-topic, I think the layout is decent, and I do like the prospect of having the buttons a bit closer to the map (although I use clickies most of the time). There are some valid concerns regarding those who hide the site-provided stats in favor of the BOB stats, but I'm not sure how to address it.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby lackattack on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:15 am

I slightly updated poll choice wording to make it clearer and fix typos.

lord voldemort wrote:what about people who hide stats via bob...


Let's assume BOB will be updated to show your spoils somewhere else.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:16 am

notyou2 wrote:What the f*ck you doin here .44?

Seriously, there is a script that does a great job of this now. I would rather see work done so that forum banned people can see their PM's, wall, etc.


what's that script called?

I'll compare, and if what you say is true, then the time spent on this improvement could've been spent better elsewhere. Sure, the new guys don't know about dem scripts, but there's a forum right there with its name on it.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:22 am

I think I prefer to see all spoils shown as a default---and if I want to change it, I'll do it on my own later.

Though I think I'd like the ' Next Set Value' at the top instead of the bottom.

Though scripts/plugins/tools do have an audience, the unfortunate thing is even with promotion they do not reach the vast amount of Conquer Club users, so I always support a number of tool/script-esque additions to the main game.


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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby SirSebstar on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:38 am

Currently the share spoils tool (has the ability to) show your spoils every turn and with the new update of bob it also shows me the countries highlighted on the map.
I have nothing against a downloadable piece of softwere being coded for everybody in the site, but please give it the ability to be highlighted too. After all, i large maps you can still be looking for hours otherwise.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby ender516 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:53 am

Highlighting on the map for any reason is not done unless you have a script or add-on, so I doubt it will be done by the site just for spoils. Of course, it would be nice if all that Map Inspect stuff that BOB does could be done by the site.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Sep 02, 2010 11:56 am

I think this would be a wonderful addition. Although Dako's script is well-written, it does require you to manually click the "share spoils" link each time, and it clogs up the chat box. These aren't major problems, but then again this will definitely help the users who do not have this script or cannot install it.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby Orange-Idaho-Dog on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:06 pm

It's a nice option, but having everything crammed into the game stats would be a pain in my opinion... Would be much easier to have it as an option to be with the game stats, sort of like how you can now put the game stats below the map, or on the side.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby ender516 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:35 pm

Another option might be to have the spoils stay where they are, and have the team spoils below them, with a hide/show toggle. I don't think individual toggles would be necessary or even useful in that case.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby jpcloet on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:48 pm

I suggest that lack look at what Dako's script does, other than visual ownership on the card images, it is really good.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby Landain on Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:51 pm

I think it is a great idea! Go for it.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby yeti_c on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:17 pm

lackattack wrote:Let's assume BOB will be updated to show your spoils somewhere else.


The problem I see with this - is that the Highlight Hover of the card territory (which is a very useful feature to see if you have or are near a territory) - won't work... although that can be changed into a "Click jumper" - rather than a hover over - which could work...

However - I think it's a good solution - but what about Side Stats - if they are on - then hover over would work fine... (Sherkaner would have to deal with this - obviously!)

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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby franny911 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:17 pm

I like it!! :D =D>
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby jpeter15 on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:20 pm

I think it takes away a key part of teamwork and am against automatically being able to see your partners cards. There should be an advantage to those who communicate more.

Dako's script is great and still requires just enough effort on behalf of a teammate (install, remember to hit "show spoils") that it is already sufficient.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby trapyoung on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:31 pm

I agree w/ JP about this really taking away the guess work in team games. Part of the big element in team games is communication and if the puppet master can basically do turns remotely (which this just contributes to) you're basically making the game easier to turn into a 1v1 trips game. Also, players who are new to the site should learn that communication is big in team games and having to type down cards, etc. is an element which forces people to communicate. But public sentiment seems to want this done so I doubt any concerns against it voiced will have much sway.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby MrBenn on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:38 pm

I would much rather keep my spoils listed under the map - I don;t want them to be squirrelled away where I can;t see them at a glance.

Dako's script (I think that's the one I'm using) displays team cards like this:
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What would be really nice would be if each card had a "mouseover" tooltip that told you which territory it was, and allowed BOB etc. to identifiy which terr the card was for.
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Re: [Feedback Requested] Teammate Spoils

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:43 pm

I would vote but there is not the option I like. Personally I like my spoils where they are. Right below the map. As for my partner or teammates spoils those could go anywhere as I do not need to look at this near as much.
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