KLOBBER

by **firth4eva** on Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:10 pm

Also deltaray is now on my ignore list. I'll make sure all my friends do it too.

by **spyhunter** on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:33 pm

deltaray... will you marry me? you rock! Here is something to add to you odds.... there are at least 10 newbies in KLOBBERS games with the name Bob in their screen name. Even in US where it is probably a very common name, 1 in 6000 people have the name Bob or a variation of... so KLOBBER would have to have 60,000 newbies join his games to end up with 10 named Bob.

He's a cheater, no doubt about it...

by **Teutonics** on Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:08 am

deltaray, I hear the logic of your argument. The join dates, immediate deadbeating, quitting CC immediately afterwards, and joining such an odd map are too coincidental for me. Yet, since the hunters haven't yet been convinced that someone could write a program to do this, perhaps you could work with to show them that it is possible. Get their permission to test their system for them. I'll send you a pm with the name of a scripting language that many gamers use to 'increase their odds of winning' in online games.

by **firth4eva** on Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:58 am

You join CC to play risk. You want to join a gam so you click on "Join a game". Still following me? You see a big list of games and you join one. Next day you forget about whatever website you joined and deadbeat.

by **Dancing Mustard** on Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:34 am

firth4eva wrote:
deltaray wrote:One of the other players that I've noticed fall into the same pattern as KLOBBER is firth4eva. Nobody seems to have ever reported firth4eva for cheating.
It's ok. I've taken care of it. Let' bring this guy to justice.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48798

Lollercaust

by **oVo** on Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:46 am

Previously KLOBBER was only FOUND GUILTY of being a complete & total idiot and a tool. This one has already proven him to be the Queen of Deadbeat Recruits and a liar, since no moderator has ever announced to this forum that he possesses superior intelligence or strategy.

His game list is truely a bizarre sight for a player with the rank of Brigadier, when you consider his 35% winrate and the now documented fact that he has difficulty winning any game with players above the rank of Cadet. Looking closer at his games makes you wonder why he even plays at all, since it's obvious that a good competitive match is a rare event for him and apparently not something he actively seeks.

If this foul mouthed idiot turns out to be even more pathetic than many here already believe him to be, and is abusing the system just to boost his rank? I hope you figure it out and bust him deltaray. But KLOBBER is so inconsequencial that I doubt it's worth your time or energy to persue. Maybe putting him on your ignore list is a better solution. Just forget him and leave him to revel in his "abilities" as he dominates his deadbeat recruits.

by **Dancing Mustard** on Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:32 am

My name is Dancing Mustard and I approve this message ^^^

by **deltaray** on Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:39 pm

oVo wrote:Previously KLOBBER was only FOUND GUILTY of being a complete & total idiot and a tool. This one has already proven him to be the Queen of Deadbeat Recruits and a liar, since no moderator has ever announced to this forum that he possesses superior intelligence or strategy.

His game list is truely a bizarre sight for a player with the rank of Brigadier, when you consider his 35% winrate and the now documented fact that he has difficulty winning any game with players above the rank of Cadet. Looking closer at his games makes you wonder why he even plays at all, since it's obvious that a good competitive match is a rare event for him and apparently not something he actively seeks.

If this foul mouthed idiot turns out to be even more pathetic than many here already believe him to be, and is abusing the system just to boost his rank? I hope you figure it out and bust him deltaray. But KLOBBER is so inconsequencial that I doubt it's worth your time or energy to persue. Maybe putting him on your ignore list is a better solution. Just forget him and leave him to revel in his "abilities" as he dominates his deadbeat recruits.

Actually, Its not really my goal to pick on KLOBBER specifically. I don't get offended by his name calling, etc. I can take it and brush it off. My real goal is to make sure that the admins realize that cheating is trivial if you know what you are doing and it may not be possible to completely detect it. And there are definately a lot of people out there willing to cheat for what looks like a completely stupid reason to us. Their goal is usually to cheat the system, not necessarily other players. Some of the moderators seem to outright say that "X player is NOT cheating". I think they should just admit that they cannot prove it or not. Sometimes they do say that.

Looking at the 11 games that I've created, which now are mostly on the first page from a newbie's point of view, I can see the point that some people are trying to make about it just being the nature of fog of war games on this map. I could work another factor into the probability equation that a newbie player is 10 times more likely to join such a map than an experienced player and perhaps that would make KLOBBER's situation much more likely. I'm willing to admit that KLOBBER could just be the victim of circumstance because he likes playing FOW Circus Maximus games. I guess we'll find out in the next 12+ days or so.

Unfortunately for me and maybe this proves everyone's point, I'm not too fond of FOW games and will probably lose a few ranks because of these games.

by **GabonX** on Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:45 pm

deltaray wrote:
Unfortunately for me and maybe this proves everyone's point, I'm not too fond of FOW games and will probably lose a few ranks because of these games.

You can always frop these games if they haven't started yet...

by **Rtap** on Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:20 pm

After i've played 3 games with him and won all the 3, put me on his Ignore List.
This player ca n only win against noob. Poor player.

by **delboy01** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:14 am

You will probably find he has a lot of players on his ignore list for no other reason than he only wants to play newbies and deadbeats. Would be interesting to see it actually!!

by **Teutonics** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:33 am

C'mon guys, if you'd seen this happen, wouldn't you question the incredulity of it:

Game 2009103. Players listed in the order they joined the game:

Player------------------------------Join CC-----------------------------Last Visit CC
* KLOBBER ( 80-2 )
* deltaray ( 12-2 )
* Coolguystar ( 0-0 )--------Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:02 pm-------Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:02 pm
* rmeyer ( 0-0 )-------------Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:58 pm-------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:11 pm
* Gboots9 ( 0-0 )------------Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:58 pm-------Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:28 am
* wizx ( 0-0 )----------------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:03 pm--------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:03 pm
* El Masacrone ( 0-0 )------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:24 pm--------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:24 pm
* piratecove70 ( 0-0 )------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:52 pm--------Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:52 pm

Here's another example. Game 1430882. All multis deadbeat, Klobber wins in Round4:

Player------------------------------Join CC-----------------------------Last Visit CC
* KLOBBER ( 80-2 )
* ttoonnyy ( 0-0 )-----------Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:11 am--------Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:16 am
* dalefar ( 0-0 )-------------Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:51 am--------Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:53 am
* kingx ( 0-0 )--------------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:08 am---------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:08 am
* Kalkkuna93 ( 0-0 )--------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:27 am--------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:27 am
* messyworm ( 0-0 )-------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:27 am--------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:27 am
* manly89 ( 0-0 )-----------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:51 am--------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:51 am
* dennisbrcan ( 0-0 )-------Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:35 am--------Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:45 pm

And Another,Game 1946641, 6 of the multis kicked by round 4.

Player------------------------------Join CC-----------------------------Last Visit CC
* KLOBBER ( 80-2 )
* zark ( 37-2 )
* guilemenz ( 0-0 )--------Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:30 pm-------Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:34 pm
* jebmiles ( 0-0 )----------Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:51 pm-------Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:56 pm
* KatieKx ( 0-0 )-----------Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:50 pm--------Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:50 pm
* Chaoswolf ( 0-0 )--------Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:41 am-----Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:39 pm
* cookiedarts ( 0-0 )------Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:19 pm--------Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:19 pm
* zeusthegreat0 ( 0-0 )---Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:15 pm--------Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:24 pm

All of these last visit times were accurate as of this posting, but I'm sure that Klobber still has access to these accounts and can use his 'cheat program' to have them enter CC again to change the dates.

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Gamers that like to beat the gaming system through hacks often employ cheat programs that enable one to automate the keystrokes & mouse inputs. In a case like this, it would be quite simple to write a program that would automatically create new accounts, join games, input moves, remember passwords & IP addresses, etc. Once the program is written, it becomes simple to automate what would normally take many many hours of work.

I'm surprised that Klobber has not been busted yet considering how poorly he's been covering his tracks.

by **hahaha3hahaha** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:59 am

happens all the time man chill on the accusations- the newbies love joining the 8 player games- and 95% of them will just create an account join a couple of games and deadbeat lol. not too unusual but yeah if theres a chance of cheating the mods would love you to tell them because they are just fucked up and love ruining peoples accounts and shit- they couldnt give a flying f*ck about us CC premiums- they just want our fuckin money! but thats not what the threads about hehe anyway i dont think he was cheating but who gives a f*ck why dob you pussy.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers

by **deltaray** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:23 am

Ok, let's hold off on the discussion and accusations until after these games I started finish, then we'll have more data.

by **Teutonics** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:25 am

Don't worry -- you wont lose points in the test.

The problem is that you can't perform the test under controlled circumstances. To skew your results & help beat the rap one of the guys that uses a cheat program (as I described) could easily fill out your games with new recruits. I expect that they'll play the same as the they do in Klobber's games & deadbeat.

You likely won't lose points, but gain them

It was a mistake to announce that you were running a test. Otherwise, you might have been able to get by with it, w/o anyone realizing what you were doing. I'm sorry, but your results are already tainted.

by **Teutonics** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:23 am

The only valid data that can be analyzed are the past games that have been played. A good test would be to look at the average % of new recruits that join Klobber's games versus the average percentages that join games started by other people. A search on finished, Circus Max, 8-player, casual games revealed that Klobber, firth4eva, Jnd94, & marco130671 all had much higher %'s of new recruits versus those games started by other people.

Oddly enough, Firth4eva has been the one who has been abusing the system much more profoundly and for a longer period of time. His percentages are incredibly high. Klobber is just the latest one to start doing it.

by **firth4eva** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:06 pm

Teutonics wrote:The only valid data that can be analyzed are the past games that have been played. A good test would be to look at the average % of new recruits that join Klobber's games versus the average percentages that join games started by other people. A search on finished, Circus Max, 8-player, casual games revealed that Klobber, firth4eva, Jnd94, & marco130671 all had much higher %'s of new recruits versus those games started by other people.

Oddly enough, Firth4eva has been the one who has been abusing the system much more profoundly and for a longer period of time. His percentages are incredibly high. Klobber is just the latest one to start doing it.

What the f*ck are you talking about? Seriously? KLOBBER was doing way before me. I even used to join some of those games.

And you are totally missing out oggiss. Not trying to drop you in it oggiss because I know that none of us are cheats(and if you are, you are stupid because you can easily beat 7 new recruits). I only did this to see whether oggiss and KLOBBER were cheating and it was really easy to gain points. Now after all this I'm getting lots of majors joining which is reducing my win rate but it's still the fun game I'm looking for.

Now the chance of proving it is severely decreasing because so many people know about these games. But if you make 20 and drop any that have anyone with more than 10 games played in, you are guarteed a win, unless you suck at risk.

by **deltaray** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:58 pm

Teutonics wrote:Don't worry -- you wont lose points in the test.

The problem is that you can't perform the test under controlled circumstances. To skew your results & help beat the rap one of the guys that uses a cheat program (as I described) could easily fill out your games with new recruits. I expect that they'll play the same as the they do in Klobber's games & deadbeat.

You likely won't lose points, but gain them

It was a mistake to announce that you were running a test. Otherwise, you might have been able to get by with it, w/o anyone realizing what you were doing. I'm sorry, but your results are already tainted.

Yes, a few of us discussed in private that KLOBBER could cover his tracks by having his auto accounts join my games. We were worried about giving him that idea. However, I have kinda mixed feelings about the whole thing now. I can see what people mean about just having your FOW game at the top of the list makes newbies join. It does seem like they slowly trickle in. People can be really deceptive when they want to be, so there are any number of plausible conspiracies that we can discuss, but in the end we probably couldn't prove any of them.

I think KLOBBER would be less suspicious if he didn't act the way he does. I don't know how he could act though and people not suspect him.

by **oggiss** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:05 pm

It's true, he's cleared, but it's also true that he is the biggest shithead of all time on the internet

by **scarface99x** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:27 pm

Well an easy way to tell is if you can block those players listed from that particular map. Then if the noobs follow to other maps it is a dead give away. Either way then it would end it cause it would either be a banning or no more chance to inflate points with fake accounts.

by **greenoaks** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:51 pm

Teutonics wrote:The only valid data that can be analyzed are the past games that have been played. A good test would be to look at the average % of new recruits that join Klobber's games versus the average percentages that join games started by other people. A search on finished, Circus Max, 8-player, casual games revealed that Klobber, firth4eva, Jnd94, & marco130671 all had much higher %'s of new recruits versus those games started by other people.

Oddly enough, Firth4eva has been the one who has been abusing the system much more profoundly and for a longer period of time. His percentages are incredibly high. Klobber is just the latest one to start doing it.

you need to take it one step further. only analyse games that were on the first page.

you see when a n00b turns up they hit 'join a game'. it gives them 5+ pages of games. they join their max. 4 on the first page and then sit waiting for their turn. but as they are 8-player games they won't be full yet. they get the shits with the slowness of the games on this site and leave - never to return.

Klobber knows this and creates 20+ games at a time so that even if some of us here want to play that map the majority make it to the first page to be filled with n00bs. before those have filled he creates more so that he always has a steady supply of circus maximus games heading for that front page.

anyone caught joining his games gets put on his ignore list so they can't occupy those valuable n00b slots.

in short Klobber does not cheat but he does exploit the system.

by **firth4eva** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:54 pm

scarface99x wrote:Well an easy way to tell is if you can block those players listed from that particular map. Then if the noobs follow to other maps it is a dead give away. Either way then it would end it cause it would either be a banning or no more chance to inflate points with fake accounts.

Or you know, you could just stop being an asshole about it all. How's that?
I have no idea how to make an auto cheat thing.

The only games noobs can see is the circus maximus. So which do they join?

by **Twill** on Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:53 pm

Klobber, don't ever flame people and then report posts for other people flaming.

Everyone else, the fact that this has turned into a simmer pool of garbage has succeeded in getting it locked.

To the OP, go ahead and submit a ticket on the help page and we will look into the accusation in private or add it to one of the existing klobber threads.

Have a good one
Twill