Turkey and EU

[PLAYER57832]

I think you don't have to be that careful. Don't know who your sources are....

I can post you a picture of me messing with a member of Turkish honorary guard in front of Yildiz Palace. And did I got arrested? Well... NO!

Though I must admit: I didn't try to write anything offensive on his forehead.
Hmmm, note for next time: Try to write...

There is a big difference between silliness, tomfoolery and real, serious criticism.

That said, I want to say that I absolutely do NOT agree with, like or support many of the things my government has done. We have a shameful past in many, many areas ...and Bush has gone a long way to destroy freedoms here we have always held dear.

That said, the mere fact that I am fully aware of all (make that many ...) of the things my government, my country has done speaks for a big difference. Few Turks even KNOW about many of the deprivations for which it is criticized.

I can and do walk out on my street and declaim Bush. I could use curse words, though I just don't curse. I can write and petition my government for all sorts of changes, talk about various religions. As long as I don't actually threaten anybody with violence or such. (blackmail might not be considered violence, perhaps, but it is illegal here), I am probably OK.

[Autotoad]

Turkey should not be allowed into europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHV09giKMY

I cannot see how you spineless, bed-wetting knobs are blind to this.

The only thing that accepting them into the EU will acheive, is further bastardisation of european history and culture. It is a well known fact, that muslims now living in European countries have a far lower employment rate, a far higher reproduction rate than idigenous europeans.

I can hear your pathetic thoughts right now: "oh but I went on teh sooooper package cheapy holiday to turkey...And dey were KEWL!!!" Let in turkey!"

[Napoleon Ier]

Turkey should not be allowed into europe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHV09giKMY

I cannot see how you spineless, bed-wetting knobs are blind to this.

The only thing that accepting them into the EU will acheive, is further bastardisation of european history and culture. It is a well known fact, that muslims now living in European countries have a far lower employment rate, a far higher reproduction rate than idigenous europeans.

I can hear your pathetic thoughts right now: "oh but I went on teh sooooper package cheapy holiday to turkey...And dey were KEWL!!!" Let in turkey!"

I can't wait for Guiscard's tantrum when he sees this.

[Napoleon Ier]

"oh but I want teh sooooper package cheapy holiday to turkey...

This could, of course, be arranged through other means...

[Autotoad]

"oh but I want teh sooooper package cheapy holiday to turkey...

This could, of course, be arranged through other means...

Might be an idea...though I would probably only find myself going there with a certain group of people, if I needed to make an important, hurried exit from England...



I'd like to bring back some souvenirs though..

[Snorri1234]

It is a well known fact, that muslims now living in European countries have a far lower employment rate,

Then why are you scared of them TAKIN YOUR JERB?

[Autotoad]

It is a well known fact, that muslims now living in European countries have a far lower employment rate,

Then why are you scared of them TAKIN YOUR JERB?

I'm not.

However, I'm afraid that I may be mugged/stabbed/taxed more/have my way of life altered/ live next to a smelly, obnoxious family/ have to speak to turkinsh people.

Ya know, general xenophobia and well-being type thingies.

[Autotoad]

Besides, I just dislike them as a people.

They're all smiles and sunshine when you are busy spending your pennies in their country (not that I would ever holiday there), but as soon as you let them loose into a cultured, western society, they become true to their nature. I know this as their is a large turkish (and greek) community living within my locality. They are fucking nuisances.

[Napoleon Ier]

It is a well known fact, that muslims now living in European countries have a far lower employment rate,

Then why are you scared of them TAKIN YOUR JERB?

I'm not.

Aye. They don't take our jobs. They take the money we earn from said jobs via the government.

[Snorri1234]

It is a well known fact, that muslims now living in European countries have a far lower employment rate,

Then why are you scared of them TAKIN YOUR JERB?

I'm not.

However, I'm afraid that I may be mugged/stabbed/taxed more/have my way of life altered/ live next to a smelly, obnoxious family/ have to speak to turkinsh people.

Ya know, general xenophobia and well-being type thingies.

Well I was asking because the video claimed this:

★Immigration risk: If the newcomers are given the freedom to move and work freely within the Union--which is a fundamental right of every EU citizen--unemployment will rise as 72 million turkish people will be able to work freely anywhere they please in the Union.

[Autotoad]

Well I was asking because the video claimed this:

★Immigration risk: If the newcomers are given the freedom to move and work freely within the Union--which is a fundamental right of every EU citizen--unemployment will rise as 72 million turkish people will be able to work freely anywhere they please in the Union.

Well, isn't that fantastic.

[PLAYER57832]

I find it actually ironic .. or scary, (as in there might we be headed) that Turkey was historically one of the more enlightened of countries. But, we ignore the change at our perile.

[Jenos Ridan]

The Mohammedans belong in the desert where they came from, not crawling all over one of the great triumphs of Christian-Roman culture. Constantinople FTW.

Somehow, I feel I could say that with more tact.

Am I wrong?

Well, am I? I feel that anybody could have said the same with more tact. Somehow, the bluntness of this comment bothers me.

[Snorri1234]

The Mohammedans belong in the desert where they came from, not crawling all over one of the great triumphs of Christian-Roman culture. Constantinople FTW.

Somehow, I feel I could say that with more tact.

Am I wrong?

Well, am I? I feel that anybody could have said the same with more tact. Somehow, the bluntness of this comment bothers me.

Honestly I think you could.

Your comments don't infuriate me as much as Nappy's do. They don't show as much ignorance but rather a radically different way of thinking.

Besides, you listen to us instead of making us out for "whatever-nappy-found-in-his-thesaurus-now".

[Jenos Ridan]

Somehow, I feel I could say that with more tact.

Am I wrong?

Well, am I? I feel that anybody could have said the same with more tact. Somehow, the bluntness of this comment bothers me.

Honestly I think you could.

Your comments don't infuriate me as much as Nappy's do. They don't show as much ignorance but rather a radically different way of thinking.

Besides, you listen to us instead of making us out for "whatever-nappy-found-in-his-thesaurus-now".

Thanks for the first positive comment in nearly a month, Truely, thank you.

Trust me, the way I think now, you'd prefer over the way I thought five years ago.

Naps needs to work on his people skills .

[Napoleon Ier]

Am I wrong?

Well, am I? I feel that anybody could have said the same with more tact. Somehow, the bluntness of this comment bothers me.

Honestly I think you could.

Your comments don't infuriate me as much as Nappy's do. They don't show as much ignorance but rather a radically different way of thinking.

Besides, you listen to us instead of making us out for "whatever-nappy-found-in-his-thesaurus-now".

Oh do shut up, you insufferable Thrasymachus.

Jenos, stop this stupid smear campaign. We all know why it is...but

"Vous n'aurez pas, l'Alsace et la Lorraine,
et malgré vous, nous resterons français!
Vous avez pu, germaniser la plaine,
mais notre coeur, vous ne l'aurez jamais!"

[Jenos Ridan]

Oh do shut up, you insufferable Thrasymachus.

Jenos, stop this stupid smear campaign. We all know why it is...but

"Vous n'aurez pas, l'Alsace et la Lorraine,
et malgré vous, nous resterons français!
Vous avez pu, germaniser la plaine,
mais notre coeur, vous ne l'aurez jamais!"

First, what is a "Thrasymachus"?

Second: Strasburg? Metz? Come on! They're German names and you know it!

[Snorri1234]

Oh do shut up, you insufferable Thrasymachus.

You see? I don't think anyone would know who Thrasymachus is without googling him and I'm pretty sure you had to track him yourself too.

According to Nappy, I am defending injustice because I don't agree muslims should be sent back to the desert from which judaism and christianity also sprung. I'm certain Nappy would adore Geert Wilders if he doesn't already, but his focus on TEH ISLAMS!!1 clouds his view. The fact that the Turks think of the city as their own without so much of a thought about islam doesn't fit in there. The fact that the greek colonized the city themselves doesn't even feature in his posts.

Cyprus and Istanbul are radically different, because the former was invaded after we (the western world and stuff) decided conquering was evil and the latter was taken over waaaaaaaay before that time.

I don't get it, Nappy, if Istanbul doesn't belong to the turks, who does it belong too?

[Snorri1234]

First, what is a "Thrasymachus"?

Some guy from Plato's republic.

[Napoleon Ier]

Oh do shut up, you insufferable Thrasymachus.

Jenos, stop this stupid smear campaign. We all know why it is...but

"Vous n'aurez pas, l'Alsace et la Lorraine,
et malgré vous, nous resterons français!
Vous avez pu, germaniser la plaine,
mais notre coeur, vous ne l'aurez jamais!"

First, what is a "Thrasymachus"?

Second: Strasburg? Metz? Come on! They're German names and you know it!

Not really. Sedan? Besançon? Nancy? All French names. Starsbourg comes from the Latin Strata and burgus. Metz is the name of a Gallic tribe that lived around the area.

Which brings me to the Gallic origins of the region: they're West of the Rhine, the natural border between France and Germany. It's only from 900 something to 1618 that Strasbourg was occupied by various German lords, and even then it rebelled and declared itslf independant several times.

Now, I know you have some bizarre pan-Germanic-Aryano-expansionist idea about lebensraum, but not my side of the Rhine, buddy: we all know what happened last time you tried to pull that shit.

[Napoleon Ier]

Oh do shut up, you insufferable Thrasymachus.

You see? I don't think anyone would know who Thrasymachus is without googling him and I'm pretty sure you had to track him yourself too.

According to Nappy, I am defending injustice because I don't agree muslims should be sent back to the desert from which judaism and christianity also sprung. I'm certain Nappy would adore Geert Wilders if he doesn't already, but his focus on TEH ISLAMS!!1 clouds his view. The fact that the Turks think of the city as their own without so much of a thought about islam doesn't fit in there. The fact that the greek colonized the city themselves doesn't even feature in his posts.

Cyprus and Istanbul are radically different, because the former was invaded after we (the western world and stuff) decided conquering was evil and the latter was taken over waaaaaaaay before that time.

I don't get it, Nappy, if Istanbul doesn't belong to the turks, who does it belong too?

Snorri...snorri...I seem say a lot of things which get you and Jizzy (ain't seen him in while, but meh) all froth-mouthed, but c'mon...you've never thought Imight be trying to be deliberately controloversial? Just for laughs?

As for Geert Wilders: what a ledgend. Some day I' hope I'll have the honour of attending a (Tridentine) Mass with him over the ruins of the Ka'abah mosque errr...what?

What?!

What?!

No, What!?

[Snorri1234]

Snorri...snorri...I seem say a lot of things which get you and Jizzy (ain't seen him in while, but meh) all froth-mouthed, but c'mon...you've never thought Imight be trying to be deliberately controloversial? Just for laughs?

Oh it has occured to me. But then I would have to think you'd have been doing that with every single post you made, and that would either make you a very good troll or a douchebag. I'm not sure about the difference between those two, but that doesn't matter.

[Napoleon Ier]

Snorri...snorri...I seem say a lot of things which get you and Jizzy (ain't seen him in while, but meh) all froth-mouthed, but c'mon...you've never thought Imight be trying to be deliberately controloversial? Just for laughs?

Oh it has occured to me. But then I would have to think you'd have been doing that with every single post you made, and that would either make you a very good troll or a douchebag. I'm not sure about the difference between those two, but that doesn't matter.

Just the odd one here and there. But OK, let's psycho-analytically delve into our consciousness: what do you find most revolting and angering about me? The fact I use teh long words? The fact I am guilty of (and I quote comicrentboy) "abuse and racism"? That I'm a heartless capitalist bastard? That I'm French? I want to know. This is even poll-worthy! Why do you hate Napoleon?

[Neoteny]

Snorri...snorri...I seem say a lot of things which get you and Jizzy (ain't seen him in while, but meh) all froth-mouthed, but c'mon...you've never thought Imight be trying to be deliberately controloversial? Just for laughs?

Oh it has occured to me. But then I would have to think you'd have been doing that with every single post you made, and that would either make you a very good troll or a douchebag. I'm not sure about the difference between those two, but that doesn't matter.

Just the odd one here and there. But OK, let's psycho-analytically delve into our consciousness: what do you find most revolting and angering about me? The fact I use teh long words? The fact I am guilty of (and I quote comicrentboy) "abuse and racism"? That I'm a heartless capitalist bastard? That I'm French? I want to know. This is even poll-worthy! Why do you hate Napoleon?

I hate you because your most absurd posts are always too fucking long to put in my sig!

[Snorri1234]

Just the odd one here and there. But OK, let's psycho-analytically delve into our consciousness: what do you find most revolting and angering about me? The fact I use teh long words? The fact I am guilty of (and I quote comicrentboy) "abuse and racism"? That I'm a heartless capitalist bastard? That I'm French? I want to know. This is even poll-worthy! Why do you hate Napoleon?

Your inability to understand arguments.