Turkey and EU

by **brooksieb** on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:54 am

well turkey does not have the death penalty which nations like belarus have so i think turkey is closer to joining the EU than a nation like Belarus,

TURKEY FOR THE EU!!! SCARE RUSSIA AND IRAN!!!!

by **Napoleon Ier** on Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:58 am

Turkey for the EU.

So long as everyone else pulls out simultaneously.

by **heavycola** on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:02 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Turkey for the EU.

So long as everyone else pulls out simultaneously.

Strange... I saw this thread, saw you had been the most recent poster, and knew immediately what your response would be. Must be psychic.

by **Jenos Ridan** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:52 am

btownmeggy wrote:
You've got to be making considerable progress towards being ready to use the Euro. You've got to have low public debt, low inflation, a stable exchange rate, (a couple of other things, too... can't recall). To my understanding, Turkey is farther away from the requisite economic levels than any other potential EU member. At its core the EU is an economic agreement, and Turkey is not yet capable of adhering to its terms.

Now, if you want to talk about the EU as a political organization, that's a whole different issue...

In addition to meeting the economic requirements, Turkey must hand Cyprus over to it's own government and return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece. Or at least that's how I'd like to have it play out.

by **btownmeggy** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:08 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece

by **ignotus** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:38 am

btownmeggy wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece

I really, really, really doubt that's a real requirement.

It's not Constantinople any more, it's Istanbul! Town has a Greek minority (couple thousands) and 12 million Turkish majority. And don't get me started with Edirne...

by **brooksieb** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:38 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
You've got to be making considerable progress towards being ready to use the Euro. You've got to have low public debt, low inflation, a stable exchange rate, (a couple of other things, too... can't recall). To my understanding, Turkey is farther away from the requisite economic levels than any other potential EU member. At its core the EU is an economic agreement, and Turkey is not yet capable of adhering to its terms.

Now, if you want to talk about the EU as a political organization, that's a whole different issue...

In addition to meeting the economic requirements, Turkey must hand Cyprus over to it's own government and return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece. Or at least that's how I'd like to have it play out.

well i better see the last days of famagusta as a ghost town....went there two years before 1974 (i was 10) and went to famagusta, and it's quite scary that i played by that beach i saw on a boat trip there recently, god it has changed...

by **brooksieb** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:42 pm

got tonkaed wrote:Theres more to it still after Cyprus right? I mean i know cyprus is the big one, but i was under the impression there were a number of the criteria that they werent really that close to meeting, which was causing some friction.

And i thought there was a general image problem with letting turkey in from a number of member countries right now.

The rivalry between Greece (Byzantines back then) and turkey goes further than cyprus, the byzantine empire thought that they were on the front line for christianity and reguarly fought the turks and muslims over turkey, the turks caught turkey and the rivalry had been building up to a conclusion, which was ultimately cyprus, a rivalry which i think should have been left in the past.

by **Napoleon Ier** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:45 pm

ignotus wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece

I really, really, really doubt that's a real requirement.

It's not Constantinople any more, it's Istanbul! Town has a Greek minority (couple thousands) and 12 million Turkish majority. And don't get me started with Edirne...

The invention of the automatic weapon allows this temporary abberation to be rapidly and efficiently corrected.

by **ignotus** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:19 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
ignotus wrote:I really, really, really doubt that's a real requirement.

It's not Constantinople any more, it's Istanbul! Town has a Greek minority (couple thousands) and 12 million Turkish majority. And don't get me started with Edirne...

The invention of the automatic weapon allows this temporary abberation to be rapidly and efficiently corrected.

Nappy...

All this threads with you in it...

It really makes me change my mind...

Now I'm one of the pro-choice advocates!

by **Napoleon Ier** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:24 pm

ignotus wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:
ignotus wrote:I really, really, really doubt that's a real requirement.

It's not Constantinople any more, it's Istanbul! Town has a Greek minority (couple thousands) and 12 million Turkish majority. And don't get me started with Edirne...

The invention of the automatic weapon allows this temporary abberation to be rapidly and efficiently corrected.

Nappy...

All this threads with you in it...

It really makes me change my mind...

Now I'm one of the pro-choice advocates!

You're just messing with me now... :shock:

by **Balsiefen** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:45 pm

btownmeggy wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece

Despite that land never belonging to greece before turkey invaded it. (several Hundred Years ago and even then it was from the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire)

by **Jenos Ridan** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:55 pm

ignotus wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:return the city and lands adjacent to Constantinople to Greece

I really, really, really doubt that's a real requirement.

It's not Constantinople any more, it's Istanbul! Town has a Greek minority (couple thousands) and 12 million Turkish majority. And don't get me started with Edirne...

It used to be Byzantium, then it became Constantinople. And as far as I'm concerned it will always be Constantinople and the rightful property of the Greek Republic in Athens. So to is all of Cyprus.

As for the rest of Europe, Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland; Frankreich, you will return Strassburg to its rightful owner.

by **btownmeggy** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:44 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:It used to be Byzantium, then it became Constantinople. And as far as I'm concerned it will always be Constantinople and the rightful property of the Greek Republic in Athens. So to is all of Cyprus.

TELL ME MORE!

It used to be Dine', then it was Nueva Espana, then it was Mexico, then it was the United States, then it was United States/Navajo Nation. So Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado, as far as you're concerned, will always be... what? and the rightful property of whom?

by **Ar-Adûnakhôr** on Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:02 pm

first byzantium; settlement Greek
then constantinople; settlement by Constantine the Great of Rome
now Istanbul; Constantinople taken turks

by **ignotus** on Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:29 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:It used to be Byzantium, then it became Constantinople. And as far as I'm concerned it will always be Constantinople and the rightful property of the Greek Republic in Athens. So to is all of Cyprus.

As for the rest of Europe, Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland; Frankreich, you will return Strassburg to its rightful owner.

Byzantium was always one of the cosmopolitan towns in the world. And today's Greece isn't a real successor of Byzantine empire. Ottoman empire was a conglomerate of different nations (for instance Greeks were almost always dragomans and ship commanders - even when the Greek War of Independence started).

So you are from USA.

Hmmmm...

How about returning your home to native Americans and going back to Europe or wherever are your family's roots.

Maybe then you can really say something on this subject.

by **Napoleon Ier** on Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:30 am

ignotus wrote:

As for the rest of Europe, Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland; Frankreich, you will return Strassburg to its rightful owner.

Go on. Make my day. Try and take it back...just you fucking try...

by **AlgyTaylor** on Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:56 am

I don't see why Turkey shouldn't be allowed in to the EU, provided they agree to play by the same rules as everybody else (which I'm sure they will do). It'd be good for Europe as a whole, I think.

by **Snorri1234** on Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:08 pm

Jenos Ridan wrote:As for the rest of Europe, Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland; Frankreich, you will return Strassburg to its rightful owner.

Frankreich? Are you german or something?

by **Napoleon Ier** on Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:17 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:As for the rest of Europe, Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland; Frankreich, you will return Strassburg to its rightful owner.

Frankreich? Are you german or something?

The best part is that he misspelt Deutschland.

by **Jenos Ridan** on Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:45 am

Snorri1234 wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:As for the rest of Europe, Alsace-Lorraine belongs to Deutchland; Frankreich, you will return Strassburg to its rightful owner.

Frankreich? Are you german or something?

It is in my ancestry, yes. As is a bit of Swede.

Going on now, Danzig and Konigsberg (now called Kaliningrad) will be restored, simultanious to the return of Alsace-Lorraine, to Deutschland post haste.

The Turks will hand over Cyprus and Constantinople to Greece.

As for the rest, whatever.

by **btownmeggy** on Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:48 am

btownmeggy wrote:
Jenos Ridan wrote:It used to be Byzantium, then it became Constantinople. And as far as I'm concerned it will always be Constantinople and the rightful property of the Greek Republic in Athens. So to is all of Cyprus.

TELL ME MORE!

It used to be Dine', then it was Nueva Espana, then it was Mexico, then it was the United States, then it was United States/Navajo Nation. So Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado, as far as you're concerned, will always be... what? and the rightful property of whom?

Jenos, while you're online... answer this!!

by **Jenos Ridan** on Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:53 am

btownmeggy wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
It used to be Dine', then it was Nueva Espana, then it was Mexico, then it was the United States, then it was United States/Navajo Nation. So Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado, as far as you're concerned, will always be... what? and the rightful property of whom?

Jenos, while you're online... answer this!!

Not being coy, but you're from Britain, right?

by **btownmeggy** on Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:56 am

Jenos Ridan wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
btownmeggy wrote:
It used to be Dine', then it was Nueva Espana, then it was Mexico, then it was the United States, then it was United States/Navajo Nation. So Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado, as far as you're concerned, will always be... what? and the rightful property of whom?

Jenos, while you're online... answer this!!

Not being coy, but you're from Britain, right?

I'm from Texas.