Conquer Club

Meh, I prefer the 2nd version, but it's your map...

Just to chip in my two cent...

I think both version are fine. Each is consistent and looks good

gimil wrote:Just to chip in my two cent...

I think both version are fine. Each is consistent and looks good

cool.

any gameplay concerns on this one?

DiM wrote:any gameplay concerns on this one?

Of course, sweet pea. Let me just finish my write-up for Quilt Wars

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:

DiM wrote:any gameplay concerns on this one?

Of course, sweet pea. Let me just finish my write-up for Quilt Wars

-Sully

great.

Whoa, last night was craaaazy, you think to yourself, clutching your throbbing forehead. Wait... What did happen last night? Images flash in your mind in no cohesive order, or none that you seem to grasp. Coloured numbers? More numbers, except these are on squares of green and white? Some weird-looking guy named "zimmah"? You finally resolve not to give a damn, cursing your former self for apparently drinking too much booze. You look around... Trees? Where am I? you ask yourself. You stand up and look around again. Oh, God, oh, God! It can't be! Not again! you think to yourself, as you realize you are stuck once again on...

Gameplay Island.

• With regard to the objectives, it seems to me the Temple/Volcano objective seems much more feasible than the Antenna/Military Base objective. The temples are more defensible, since two of them only border one other territory (while the Inland Antenna borders 5 territories), they provide a supplement bonus to the village bonus (though small, it is certainly still worth going for, especially considering there aren't many bonuses to be had), and the Military Base is in an auto-decay zone, while the Volcano is more or less in a safe zone. I think a way to balance this out is make the Military Base an auto-deploy +1, connect Mutobe to Umanet, and connect Sukele to Zun or Ketro.
• No two villages should be adjacent, and no village should be adjacent to a temple or antennae, thus, the village at Suracca should be moved to Qua. This also adds some to the southeast corner of the map that is devoid of villages.
• Despite there not being any impassables per se, I like how you use connections that avoid going over things like mountains and rivers. Well, all except for the Inland-Leban connection. I think you should do away with it entirely and perhaps connect Leban to Cro, Sefo, or both. In addition, it bothers me that Nukiba only connects to Luutee, when I see no reason why it couldn't connect to Viroga or Burina.
• The "red zone" is not explicitly specified as to what exactly it is. I think it would be best if you included it in the visual portion of the legend (with it's own fancy text color, perhaps). Also, more as a minor thing, the circle of X's seems rather misshapen. It bothers me. Idk why, though.
• The script-y font is really bothering me for some reason. And it doesn't scream "doom" to me, especially compared to the title text.

It's a good thing you took that class on bamboo and coconut construction after the last time. The Professor was a bit kooky, but he knew what he was talking about! Hopefully you won't be on this forsaken rock too much longer...

-Sully

Victor Sullivan wrote:With regard to the objectives, it seems to me the Temple/Volcano objective seems much more feasible than the Antenna/Military Base objective. The temples are more defensible, since two of them only border one other territory (while the Inland Antenna borders 5 territories), they provide a supplement bonus to the village bonus (though small, it is certainly still worth going for, especially considering there aren't many bonuses to be had), and the Military Base is in an auto-decay zone, while the Volcano is more or less in a safe zone. I think a way to balance this out is make the Military Base an auto-deploy +1, connect Mutobe to Umanet, and connect Sukele to Zun or Ketro.

military base will be give a +1 autodeploy. the connections however are on hold, read bellow.

Victor Sullivan wrote:No two villages should be adjacent, and no village should be adjacent to a temple or antennae, thus, the village at Suracca should be moved to Qua. This also adds some to the southeast corner of the map that is devoid of villages.

will move

Victor Sullivan wrote:Despite there not being any impassables per se, I like how you use connections that avoid going over things like mountains and rivers. Well, all except for the Inland-Leban connection. I think you should do away with it entirely and perhaps connect Leban to Cro, Sefo, or both. In addition, it bothers me that Nukiba only connects to Luutee, when I see no reason why it couldn't connect to Viroga or Burina.

i'll get rid of the inland-leban connection.
the others i;m not so keen on changing. the thing is, most of my maps were done as very open battle grounds with lots and lots of connections. what i want to try here is add dead ends thus giving people the "chance" to make mistakes by advancing in the wrong place (especially in escalating games).

Victor Sullivan wrote:The "red zone" is not explicitly specified as to what exactly it is. I think it would be best if you included it in the visual portion of the legend (with it's own fancy text color, perhaps). Also, more as a minor thing, the circle of X's seems rather misshapen. It bothers me. Idk why, though.

i'll try to make some sort of graphic in the legend to depict the red zone better.
as for the circle of Xs, it's not a circle, it's not even meant to be an oval. it's just a hand drawn shape of how the virus spread. and it certainly can't spread perfectly circular.

Victor Sullivan wrote:The script-y font is really bothering me for some reason. And it doesn't scream "doom" to me, especially compared to the title text.

fonts are always my problem. i generally like fancy fonts but they almost always cause readability issues.
if you can show me a "doom" font that's perfectly readable i'll change it in a heart beat.

DiM wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:With regard to the objectives, it seems to me the Temple/Volcano objective seems much more feasible than the Antenna/Military Base objective. The temples are more defensible, since two of them only border one other territory (while the Inland Antenna borders 5 territories), they provide a supplement bonus to the village bonus (though small, it is certainly still worth going for, especially considering there aren't many bonuses to be had), and the Military Base is in an auto-decay zone, while the Volcano is more or less in a safe zone. I think a way to balance this out is make the Military Base an auto-deploy +1, connect Mutobe to Umanet, and connect Sukele to Zun or Ketro.

military base will be give a +1 autodeploy. the connections however are on hold, read below.

I suppose the 'normal' regions are less of an issue with regard to connections, but for gameplay reasons, I think at minimum the Mutobe-Umanet should be made.

DiM wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:The "red zone" is not explicitly specified as to what exactly it is. I think it would be best if you included it in the visual portion of the legend (with it's own fancy text color, perhaps). Also, more as a minor thing, the circle of X's seems rather misshapen. It bothers me. Idk why, though.

i'll try to make some sort of graphic in the legend to depict the red zone better.
as for the circle of Xs, it's not a circle, it's not even meant to be an oval. it's just a hand drawn shape of how the virus spread. and it certainly can't spread perfectly circular.

Yeah, I suppose. It was really kind of a silly thing anyway.

DiM wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:The script-y font is really bothering me for some reason. And it doesn't scream "doom" to me, especially compared to the title text.

fonts are always my problem. i generally like fancy fonts but they almost always cause readability issues.
if you can show me a "doom" font that's perfectly readable i'll change it in a heart beat.

I'll see if I can find something.

-Sully

ok, i'll get on with the changes later today.

DiM wrote:ok, i'll get on with the changes later today.

Tally-ho!

-Sully

V7:
*moved village from Suracca to Qua
*military base +1 autodeploy
*added a graphic explanation for the red zone.
*connected mutobe - umanet and sukele - ketro

[bigimg]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w250/DiM-topia/islandofdoom-L-V7.jpg[/bigimg]

Victor Sullivan wrote:Whoa, last night was craaaazy, you think to yourself, clutching your throbbing forehead. Wait... What did happen last night? Images flash in your mind in no cohesive order, or none that you seem to grasp. Coloured numbers? More numbers, except these are on squares of green and white? Some weird-looking guy named "zimmah"? You finally resolve not to give a damn, cursing your former self for apparently drinking too much booze. You look around... Trees? Where am I? you ask yourself. You stand up and look around again. Oh, God, oh, God! It can't be! Not again! you think to yourself, as you realize you are stuck once again on...

Gameplay Island.

• With regard to the objectives, it seems to me the Temple/Volcano objective seems much more feasible than the Antenna/Military Base objective. The temples are more defensible, since two of them only border one other territory (while the Inland Antenna borders 5 territories), they provide a supplement bonus to the village bonus (though small, it is certainly still worth going for, especially considering there aren't many bonuses to be had), and the Military Base is in an auto-decay zone, while the Volcano is more or less in a safe zone. I think a way to balance this out is make the Military Base an auto-deploy +1, connect Mutobe to Umanet, and connect Sukele to Zun or Ketro.
• No two villages should be adjacent, and no village should be adjacent to a temple or antennae, thus, the village at Suracca should be moved to Qua. This also adds some to the southeast corner of the map that is devoid of villages.
• Despite there not being any impassables per se, I like how you use connections that avoid going over things like mountains and rivers. Well, all except for the Inland-Leban connection. I think you should do away with it entirely and perhaps connect Leban to Cro, Sefo, or both. In addition, it bothers me that Nukiba only connects to Luutee, when I see no reason why it couldn't connect to Viroga or Burina.
• The "red zone" is not explicitly specified as to what exactly it is. I think it would be best if you included it in the visual portion of the legend (with it's own fancy text color, perhaps). Also, more as a minor thing, the circle of X's seems rather misshapen. It bothers me. Idk why, though.
• The script-y font is really bothering me for some reason. And it doesn't scream "doom" to me, especially compared to the title text.

It's a good thing you took that class on bamboo and coconut construction after the last time. The Professor was a bit kooky, but he knew what he was talking about! Hopefully you won't be on this forsaken rock too much longer...

-Sully

how's my name weird?

zimmah wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Some weird-looking guy named "zimmah"?

how's my name weird?

he just said that you're a weird-looking guy not that your name is weird
at least he said you're a guy. i called you a fair maiden

DiM wrote:

zimmah wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Some weird-looking guy named "zimmah"?

how's my name weird?

he just said that you're a weird-looking guy not that your name is weird
at least he said you're a guy. i called you a fair maiden

**DiM rides in on his valiant steed**

"I have come for you my, lo-ooovWHAT?!?"

-Sully

I'm not so keen on the font in the legend. I think it works on the map, since you aren't reading sentences, and your eyes are essentially looking for shapes and unique single word names. But in the legend, the current iteration of the font is a little tough on the eyes.

Keep up the good work.


--Andy

DiM wrote:

zimmah wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:Some weird-looking guy named "zimmah"?

how's my name weird?

he just said that you're a weird-looking guy not that your name is weird
at least he said you're a guy. i called you a fair maiden

lol ye, i misread that. either way, why am i weird?

and yes, i'll never forget you calling me a maiden, and then to think you wanted some steamy action with me.... you have some explaining to do to your gf/wife.

AndyDufresne wrote:I'm not so keen on the font in the legend. I think it works on the map, since you aren't reading sentences, and your eyes are essentially looking for shapes and unique single word names. But in the legend, the current iteration of the font is a little tough on the eyes.

Keep up the good work.


--Andy

+1

Anyone else find it odd that there are footprints going across the water in several parts of the map? Is this Island of Jesus?

lostatlimbo wrote:Anyone else find it odd that there are footprints going across the water in several parts of the map? Is this Island of Jesus?

it's for consistency reasons.
having different paths for land/sea could lead to possible confusion among players.

DiM wrote:

lostatlimbo wrote:Anyone else find it odd that there are footprints going across the water in several parts of the map? Is this Island of Jesus?

it's for consistency reasons.
having different paths for land/sea could lead to possible confusion among players.

I think it works. The paths are unique enough and interesting enough to the eye.


--Andy

any gameplay related issues? is this clear and ready?

Sorry for the delay, I will take a look again at this this evening.

I think the gameplay is clear, but have you considered adding a 'red zone' -1 decay around the Volcano too? Would even it out with the Military Base a little more and you could drop the +1 offset. And it makes sense that the area directly around a Volcano would be volatile and deadly.

Just a thought.

For the legend, you could make the icons a bit smaller to give yourself room to increas the font size. Do you need Military Base listed in the legend?

I also think it would look great if it looked written on the parchment.

My font suggestions, in order of preference:
http://www.dafont.com/unisketch.font
http://www.dafont.com/handserif.font
http://www.dafont.com/drukarnia-polska.font

First: I'm really liking this map so far!

Second, I agree with the comments about the font. It kinda hurts, and I have good vision.

Finally, I take it that the military base has a +1 autodeploy as well as the -1 for being in the red zone? If so, would it be easier to just say, "Military base does not decay" or something along those lines? As it is right now, I think a player could be confused into thinking that the base gets a +1 autodeploy and does not decay.