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Posted: **Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:34 pm**

Africa 5 is absolutely insane. You need at lest 8 territories (the 6 in Africa and two ports) to really hold it.

You may be suffering from a common polling glitch where people who don't know what's really going on just vote for the first option.

Posted: **Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:25 pm**

There seems to be a bit of colour difference between South America on the map and in the legend. No biggy though.

Posted: **Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:58 pm**

KEYOGI wrote:There seems to be a bit of colour difference between South America on the map and in the legend. No biggy though.

Yeah, I didn't notice that. I think that when I made South America's color lighter, I forgot to change the legend.

Posted: **Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:12 pm**

Coleman wrote:Africa 5 is absolutely insane. You need at lest 8 territories (the 6 in Africa and two ports) to really hold it.

You may be suffering from a common polling glitch where people who don't know what's really going on just vote for the first option.

Are you suggesting 6 or 7? I've looked at other maps with similar continents, and it seems to me that the best fit would be 6.

Posted: **Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:30 am**

1. Add border lines in South America. Does Chile share a border with Brazil?

2. Remove the empty space at the top.

3. Move the legend into the map: if you change the curve of the Maudmark/IOP and the South Africa/TdC you could squeeze it in there. Move the name and UZ rule into the red UZ band. Move the credit to the bottom right. Remove the ports rule - it's obvious. If you decide not to save the space like that, at least remove the embossed border.

4. Maybe make the ports part of the continents it borders (with 2 colors) like "Space".

5. Shift the "pane" to the right, leaving more space to the right of NZ, and less space to the left of Alaska.

6. Africa can be defended with just 3 territories. I recently received an entire continent in a 2 player game (477515), and that made it impossible for the other guy to win. While Africa's 6 territories make that unlikely, it's still possible and would make the game no fun. While I think Africa should have a large bonus for the difficulty of getting it and it's central position, I'd suggest making it a bit harder to keep by linking Madagascar and IOP.

Posted: **Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:55 am**

if the ports are not part of a continent i suggest making north africa and south afrifa both subcontinents but if you hold both you get a bonus

Posted: **Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:24 am**

djak. wrote:1. Add border lines in South America. Does Chile share a border with Brazil?

2. Remove the empty space at the top.

3. Move the legend into the map: if you change the curve of the Maudmark/IOP and the South Africa/TdC you could squeeze it in there. Move the name and UZ rule into the red UZ band. Move the credit to the bottom right. Remove the ports rule - it's obvious. If you decide not to save the space like that, at least remove the embossed border.

4. Maybe make the ports part of the continents it borders (with 2 colors) like "Space".

5. Shift the "pane" to the right, leaving more space to the right of NZ, and less space to the left of Alaska.

6. Africa can be defended with just 3 territories. I recently received an entire continent in a 2 player game (477515), and that made it impossible for the other guy to win. While Africa's 6 territories make that unlikely, it's still possible and would make the game no fun. While I think Africa should have a large bonus for the difficulty of getting it and it's central position, I'd suggest making it a bit harder to keep by linking Madagascar and IOP.

1. The mountains just block out some of the border. Wade, get that fixed somehow.

2. What empty space?

3. We already tried this, didn't work, plus Wade put a ton of work into his new legend.

4. This is probably the best idea you've had yet, but I don't think many people like Space.

5. No idea what your talking about. I'll let Wade answer this one.

6. Yes, we realize this, but not only is it so big that the chances of it being conquered immediatly by random distribution is 1 in 729. Notvery likely. Plus the continent is split in half!

Posted: **Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:34 am**

wrightfan123 wrote:
djak. wrote:1. Add border lines in South America. Does Chile share a border with Brazil?

2. Remove the empty space at the top.

3. Move the legend into the map: if you change the curve of the Maudmark/IOP and the South Africa/TdC you could squeeze it in there. Move the name and UZ rule into the red UZ band. Move the credit to the bottom right. Remove the ports rule - it's obvious. If you decide not to save the space like that, at least remove the embossed border.

4. Maybe make the ports part of the continents it borders (with 2 colors) like "Space".

5. Shift the "pane" to the right, leaving more space to the right of NZ, and less space to the left of Alaska.

6. Africa can be defended with just 3 territories. I recently received an entire continent in a 2 player game (477515), and that made it impossible for the other guy to win. While Africa's 6 territories make that unlikely, it's still possible and would make the game no fun. While I think Africa should have a large bonus for the difficulty of getting it and it's central position, I'd suggest making it a bit harder to keep by linking Madagascar and IOP.

1. The mountains just block out some of the border. Wade, get that fixed somehow.

2. What empty space?

3. We already tried this, didn't work, plus Wade put a ton of work into his new legend.

4. This is probably the best idea you've had yet, but I don't think many people like Space.

5. No idea what your talking about. I'll let Wade answer this one.

6. Yes, we realize this, but not only is it so big that the chances of it being conquered immediatly by random distribution is 1 in 729. Notvery likely. Plus the continent is split in half!

Wrightfan answered you somewhat, I'll clarify a few things:

1. Yes, the mountains (textures) do make these hard to see. I'll see what I can do.

2. By empty space at the top, wrightfan, he means just that. And yes, I can change that.

3. I don't know about you, but I think the legend looks fine. And besides, like wrightfan said, the old legend just looked to small and pixelated. I think it looks way better this way. P.S.: Andy suggested clarifyng the ports in the legend, I did this seeing that I had more room in the legend.

4. An interesting thought. Does anyone else like this idea? I don't see this working myself, but it's an interesting possibility.

5. I see what you mean, but I don't really have a "pane" to move. However, I could shorten the map on the left side to make it more even.

6. Wrightfan's calculations are dead on (1 in 3 probability of holding any single territory, 1 in 3^6 probability of beginning with any six given territories). Besides, to own Africa you really need the two Atlantic ports to fortify back and forth. This comes to eight territories and four borders you need to defend.

Thanks for all the feedback!

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:58 am**

pepperonibread wrote:6. Wrightfan's calculations are dead on (1 in 3 probability of holding any single territory, 1 in 3^6 probability of beginning with any six given territories). Besides, to own Africa you really need the two Atlantic ports to fortify back and forth. This comes to eight territories and four borders you need to defend.

You mean I did some math right? Huzzah for me!

So wait a sec, according to you the chances are 1 in 6561? Because that means only a complete nerd with Premium could pull it off.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:00 am**

1st chair flute wrote:"Andrew, don't you have anything better to do than wait for Wade's map to quench? Shouldn't you be going gaa-gaa over your cat or something?"

WHAT DO YOU THINK I DO AFTERWORD!?!?!??!?!?!??!

let me rephrase that. shouldn't you be learning to quote me? lol

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:10 am**

wrightfan123 wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:6. Wrightfan's calculations are dead on (1 in 3 probability of holding any single territory, 1 in 3^6 probability of beginning with any six given territories). Besides, to own Africa you really need the two Atlantic ports to fortify back and forth. This comes to eight territories and four borders you need to defend.

You mean I did some math right? Huzzah for me!

So wait a sec, according to you the chances are 1 in 6561? Because that means only a complete nerd with Premium could pull it off.

No, 3^6 = 729.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:16 am**

One note: your name (and the other guy's) in the right corner, down there, is way too big.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:52 am**

pepperonibread wrote:6. Wrightfan's calculations are dead on (1 in 3 probability of holding any single territory, 1 in 3^6 probability of beginning with any six given territories). Besides, to own Africa you really need the two Atlantic ports to fortify back and forth. This comes to eight territories and four borders you need to defend.

I assume you are referring to a 3 player game. But what you also need to consider is 3 people have those same chances, so its actually 1/3 of the value you posted, or 1 in 243.

Forgive me if I made a mistake, but I think thats right.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:54 am**

1st chair flute wrote:what is teh?????

teh=the

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:27 pm**

personally i think it would be a great idea, and i think holding all ports should definetly warrent haveing a bonus

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:35 pm**

Would you mind posting the latest small and large images of the map?

--Andy

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:20 pm**

pepperonibread wrote:
wrightfan123 wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:6. Wrightfan's calculations are dead on (1 in 3 probability of holding any single territory, 1 in 3^6 probability of beginning with any six given territories). Besides, to own Africa you really need the two Atlantic ports to fortify back and forth. This comes to eight territories and four borders you need to defend.

You mean I did some math right? Huzzah for me!

So wait a sec, according to you the chances are 1 in 6561? Because that means only a complete nerd with Premium could pull it off.

No, 3^6 = 729.

no, i mean 3^8

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:30 pm**

sully800 wrote:
pepperonibread wrote:6. Wrightfan's calculations are dead on (1 in 3 probability of holding any single territory, 1 in 3^6 probability of beginning with any six given territories). Besides, to own Africa you really need the two Atlantic ports to fortify back and forth. This comes to eight territories and four borders you need to defend.

I assume you are referring to a 3 player game. But what you also need to consider is 3 people have those same chances, so its actually 1/3 of the value you posted, or 1 in 243.

Forgive me if I made a mistake, but I think thats right.

Yes, you're right, my mistake. However, even then, the odds aren't exactly in your favor.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:31 pm**

AndyDufresne wrote:Would you mind posting the latest small and large images of the map?

--Andy

They're on page 18. Are they not coming up?

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:57 pm**

it just makes things simpler and makes sure there's no confusion. So, just post them up man.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:10 pm**

edbeard wrote:it just makes things simpler and makes sure there's no confusion. So, just post them up man.

Ok, sure. No problem.

Posted: **Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:12 pm**

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:24 pm**

My first post in this string but I want to say I'm looking forward to playing this map.

I voted 5-5-5 in the poll but only because I couldn't vote for Africa to get 4 as a bonus. Yes it's broken, but South Africa has only one border and that is a port. In the north there are four terriotires but only 2 on the edges with only three routes in.

Seven territories but only three are on the border and connect to only four outside territories, 2 of them ports. Africa is worth 4 armies at most, even if it will be very hard to hold (and not worth it to try for) if you don't own a space in the north and south at the beginning of the game.

Other than than this looks great!

I would like to know what program(s) you used on this map.

JK

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:44 pm**

Jafnhár wrote:One note: your name (and the other guy's) in the right corner, down there, is way too big.

Posted: **Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:29 pm**

Jafnhár wrote:
Jafnhár wrote:One note: your name (and the other guy's) in the right corner, down there, is way too big.

Point taken. I'll shrink it down, or make it less visible, or something.

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