best QB's ever?

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:18 am

ok is it:

joe montana

terry bradshaw

joe nammath

roger staubach

brett favre

peyton manning

tom brady

dan marino

john elway

johnny unitas

sid luckman

otto graham

troy aikman

other?

defend your answer

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:22 am

I hope you're not listing the qb's in order here, because Brady is definitely ahead of Manning, it shouldn't even be a question.

FiveThreeEight · Post by **FiveThreeEight** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:24 am

Favre. Records piled on top of SB win, which is, in turn, added to MVP's. Plus, longevity goes a long way.

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:26 am

Tom Brady hands down- He has had to struggle to make it to the top. I mean 6th round draft choice as a QB. That kid had to impress someone to earn the starting role.

FiveThreeEight · Post by **FiveThreeEight** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:27 am

soundout9 wrote:Tom Brady hands down- He has had to struggle to make it to the top. I mean 6th round draft choice as a QB. That kid had to impress someone to earn the starting role.

If that's your only argument, then I think you're wrong. SB wins, good. However, you can chalk this year up to Belichik (or however the hell you spell it) and Brady finally having weapons.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:28 am

Sid Luckman...might not be the best quarterback ever right off the bat, but he reinvented the entire freaking position. Give him a little time to get used to the current play methods and he would be an incredible player.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:29 am

FiveThreeEight wrote:Favre. Records piled on top of SB win, which is, in turn, added to MVP's. Plus, longevity goes a long way.

good point

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:29 am

Frigidus wrote:Sid Luckman...might not be the best quarterback ever right off the bat, but he reinvented the entire freaking position. Give him a little time to get used to the current play methods and he would be an incredible player.

wow, you know your football

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:30 am

Blitzaholic wrote:
Frigidus wrote:Sid Luckman...might not be the best quarterback ever right off the bat, but he reinvented the entire freaking position. Give him a little time to get used to the current play methods and he would be an incredible player.
wow, you know your football

Keep in mind that he was a Chicago Bear. Outside of my home team I'm pretty much clueless.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:33 am

I really don't know. Out of the one's I have seen, I would have to say Elway.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:35 am

i will say favre

depends on what you consider

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:36 am

jason campbell!!
GOOOOO REDSKINS!!!!

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:44 am

I don't say favre just for the fact thats he's like 40 or 41 and still playing. He just wants to break records now.

Blitzaholic · Post by **Blitzaholic** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:47 am

soundout9 wrote:I don't say favre just for the fact thats he's like 40 or 41 and still playing. He just wants to break records now.

he is 38 years young

vinny testerverde played some this year, now he is 44

FiveThreeEight · Post by **FiveThreeEight** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:47 am

soundout9 wrote:I don't say favre just for the fact thats he's like 40 or 41 and still playing. He just wants to break records now.

Yeah. It looks like it. How about leading his team to a 12-3 record? It still appears to me that he's playing to win.

Put it this way:

If Brady keeps playing like he is now, then we can consider him as one of the best, if not the best. However, if he breaks his neck next year, then we'll be left wondering.

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:51 am

FiveThreeEight wrote:
soundout9 wrote:I don't say favre just for the fact thats he's like 40 or 41 and still playing. He just wants to break records now.
Yeah. It looks like it. How about leading his team to a 12-3 record? It still appears to me that he's playing to win.

Put it this way:

If Brady keeps playing like he is now, then we can consider him as one of the best, if not the best. However, if he breaks his neck next year, then we'll be left wondering.

That is true.....and just this year did green bay get back on there feet. the last what 2 or 3 seasons were terrible.

as for vinni....he's a kicker, he doesn't get hit at all. Shoot i would keep playing to earing million+ dollars just to kick a ball.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:08 am

soundout9 wrote:Tom Brady hands down- He has had to struggle to make it to the top. I mean 6th round draft choice as a QB. That kid had to impress someone to earn the starting role.

Yes, Brady was a late round pick, but remember, he got his start because Bledsoe got hurt, not because he "had to impress someone". And after starting, THEN he impressed enough people (like, his coach) that he won the starting job on his own merit, and went on to win the Super Bowl.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:09 am

soundout9 wrote:as for vinni....he's a kicker, he doesn't get hit at all. Shoot i would keep playing to earing million+ dollars just to kick a ball.

WHAT?! You are joking right... Vinny Testaverde, a kicker??

Boy, you've got a lot to learn!

riggable · Post by **riggable** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:12 am

Serbia wrote:
soundout9 wrote:Tom Brady hands down- He has had to struggle to make it to the top. I mean 6th round draft choice as a QB. That kid had to impress someone to earn the starting role.
Yes, Brady was a late round pick, but remember, he got his start because Bledsoe got hurt, not because he "had to impress someone". And after starting, THEN he impressed enough people (like, his coach) that he won the starting job on his own merit, and went on to win the Super Bowl.

Actually brady had to impress a LOT of people just to get that backup QB role. and then, more people to keep his starting positionn, and finally, a bunch more people to be where he is today.

I'll go with Dan Marino, he definetely was great.

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:14 am

riggable wrote:Actually brady had to impress a LOT of people just to get that backup QB role. and then, more people to keep his starting positionn, and finally, a bunch more people to be where he is today.

Yeah that's true, he didn't luck into it, and any player has to do a lot of impressing just to make it into the NFL, but he was set up for it by an unfortunate injury, it's not like he unseated a healthy established starter.

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:49 am

Serbia wrote:
soundout9 wrote:as for vinni....he's a kicker, he doesn't get hit at all. Shoot i would keep playing to earing million+ dollars just to kick a ball.
WHAT?! You are joking right... Vinny Testaverde, a kicker??

Boy, you've got a lot to learn!

dammit never mind...I didn't like Vinny (the quarterback

) I thought he sucked.

somehow i get him confused with some old arse kicker.....

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:46 am

Dan Marino

Name: Daniel Constantine Marino, Jr.
Height: 6-4
Weight: 224 lbs.
Born: September 15, 1961
College: Pittsburgh
Drafted: Selected by the Miami Dolphins in the first round (27th pick overall) of the 1983 NFL Draft.
Dan Marino started his NFL career in 1983 with the basic life statistics listed above. Seventeen years later, he finished with the incomparable stats listed below.
Quarterback graphic
Marino NFL records graphic
Most Attempts, Career: 8,358
Most Completions, Career: 4,967
Most Yards Passing, Career: 61,361
Most Touchdown Passes, Career: 420
Highest Pass Rating, Rookie Season: 96.0 in 1983
Highest Completion Percentage, Rookie Season: 58.45 in 1983 (296-173)
Most Yards Gained, Season: 5,084 in 1984
Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Career: 13
Most Games, 400 or more Yards Passing, Season: 4 in 1984
Most Games, 300 or more Yards Passing, Career: 60
Most Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: 13 (1984-92, 1994-95, 1997-98)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 3,000 or more Yards Passing: 9 (1984-92)
Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Career: 21
Most Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes, Season: 6 in 1984
Most Consecutive Games, Four or more Touchdown Passes: 4 in 1984
Lowest Percentage, Passes Intercepted, Rookie Season: 2.03 in 1983 (296-6)
Most Seasons Leading League, Attempts: 5 (1984, 1986, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most Seasons Leading League, Completions: 6 (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1997)
Most Seasons, 40 or more Touchdown Passes: 2 (1984, 1986)
Most Seasons, 20 or more Touchdown Passes: 13 (1983-92, 1994-95, 1998)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 20 or more Touchdown Passes: 10 (1983-92)
100 TD Passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 44 (9/7/86 at S.D.)
200 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 89 ( 9/17/89 at N.E.)
300 TD passes in Fewest Amount of Games to Start Career: 157 ( 9/4/94 vs. N.E.)
Records Tied For Graphic
Most Seasons Leading League, Yards Gained: 5 (1984-86, 1988, 1992)
with Sonny Jurgensen (Philadelphia, 1961-62;Washington, 1966-67, 1969)
Most Consecutive Seasons Leading League, Completions: 3 (1984-86)
with George Blanda (Houston, 1963-65)
Most Consecutive Games, 400 or more Yards Passing: 2 (1984)
with Dan Fouts (San Diego, 1982) and Phil Simms (N.Y. Giants, 1985)
Most Consecutive Seasons, 4,000 or more Yards Passing: 3 (1984-86)
with Dan Fouts (San Diego, 1979-81)
Additional Statistics graphic
Regular Season :

* Played 242 games, starting 240 of them
* Career completion percentage of 59.4%
* Career passing efficiency rating is 86.4
* Threw 252 interceptions in his career
* Only QB in NFL history to have six 4,000-yard seasons (1984-86, 1988, 1992, 1994)
* Led 37 fourth-quarter comeback victories, second only to John Elway.
* Holds Dolphins team record for most seasons played, 17.
* Had 116 wins under Don Shula – the most by a head coach - quarterback combination in NFL history.
* Won the AFC Offensive Player of the Week honor 18 times in the regular season (and 20 times overall, including playoffs).

Playoffs :

* Passed for 4,510 yards over career in playoff games
* Threw at least one touchdown pass in 16 of his 18 playoff contests, throwing a TD pass in his first 13 postseason contests.

Other :

* Selected to nine Pro Bowls (1983-87, 1991-92, 1994-95), including seven as a starter (1983-86, 1992, 1994-95). Due to injuries, played only two games (1984, 1992).

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:59 am

soundout9 wrote:Tom Brady hands down- He has had to struggle to make it to the top. I mean 6th round draft choice as a QB. That kid had to impress someone to earn the starting role.

Tom Brady only got his chance because Drew Bledsoe got hurt, otherwise there is a decent chance he would still be riding the pine. Granted, once he got his chance he has definitely made the most of it.

Now with that said:

1. Brett Favre

He currently holds all of the major records, has a Super Bowl win and a respectable shot at one this year as well, not to mention his previous MVP seasons.

2. Dan Marino

There is nobody that would have argued him NOT being the best ever until Brett Favre broke his records this year. However, in my book the fact that he did not win a Super Bowl taints his ability somewhat.

T-3. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning

These two are soon going to pass Dan Marino for second place on the list, however, at the moment I cannot distinguish between the two with any certainty. Tom Brady has the Super Bowl wins and the flash of this particular season, but Peyton Manning has a much better shot at being the man who holds all of the all-time career records when all is said and done. Barring injuries to both of these guys I have a feeling they will eventually be 1 and 2 in all major statistical categories. I also believe that while Brady has all the Super Bowl wins now, Peyton will add a few more to his resume in the years to come.

DirtyDishSoap · Post by **DirtyDishSoap** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:48 am

john elway

I need a lawyer to defend me

steeple · Post by **steeple** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:55 am

michael vick.... for worst QB EVER.... destroyed the falcons with his little dog thing....

i think brady should take the title..... but i hate the pats, so ill say manning...