proto1yp [ka]

[tankgirl99]

Accused:

proto1yp




The accused are suspected of:

Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 15195466
Game 15068956
Game 13318303
Game 13318287
Game 13318335

Comments:

Ok, I understand new recruits getting one star but look at the rest of the ratings he gives. Pretty much everyone he plays gets 5 stars for fair play, and 0 for game play and attitude. It's not even like he is winning all these games. There is just no need, only played him as he was also in a guide game, are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

[Edric Wolfswift]

Take a look at the games that involved the players that got 1 star. You will clearly see "_______ was kicked out for missing too many turns". Why would you give more than one star?

[clangfield]

Accused:

proto1yp




The accused are suspected of:

Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 15195466
Game 15068956
Game 13318303
Game 13318287
Game 13318335

Comments:

Ok, I understand new recruits getting one star but look at the rest of the ratings he gives. Pretty much everyone he plays gets 5 stars for fair play, and 0 for game play and attitude. It's not even like he is winning all these games. There is just no need, only played him as he was also in a guide game, are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

No rating is not the same as a zero rating, and doesn't affect the averages. Maybe he doesn't feel the need, or capability, to rate them on those attributes. 1 star has a much worse effect on one's average than zero.
It's a strange pattern but I wouldn't call it abuse.

[owenshooter]

are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

you should come to C&A more often, just went over all this a few days before your report... BW has no issue with people rating new recruits 1 star for dead beating... makes no sense to me... it is what it is...

Subject: Ishihara / Ratings Abuse In Guide Games [ka]

good thread, give it a read...-Jésus noir

[tankgirl99]

Yeah I had read it, I have no problem with giving people a 1 rating for deadbeating, I have myself, but I guess I just bother with new recruits, chances are they won't be back anyway.

Also I have read through several of the reports of farming when people don't get the guide games, they have amused me a lot!

Ok well if a 0 doesn't count fair enough, just wondered

[tankgirl99]

Have done already, interesting points on both sides being made. I guess I just don't bother rating guide games as it seems silly, no one's playing to their top level when there's no points involved.

But if 0 rating makes no difference to overall rating then fair enough, was just wondering

[Major.Bossman]

Although I did not go into great depth at examining prot1yp's ratings, it does appear to have a method. The attitude rating appears to be based on activity in the game chat. The other two ratings appear to be based on performance in the game.This could be the reason for those deadbeat new recruits receiving one star for fair play.

[owenshooter]

Although I did not go into great depth at examining prot1yp's ratings, it does appear to have a method. The attitude rating appears to be based on activity in the game chat. The other two ratings appear to be based on performance in the game.This could be the reason for those deadbeat new recruits receiving one star for fair play.

i still find it really amusing that people play in Guide Games to help promote the site and teach new players... then do something like give a negative 1 star rating!! BW says it is ok, but it still makes no sense to me. you join them voluntarily, you know there is a great chance they will never take a turn, so why give a neg rating? anyway, this is a mute point, the owner of the site doesn't see how it is a negative thing, so why should i exhaust myself?-Jésus noir

[king achilles]

This is cleared.

[MagnusGreeol]

Although I did not go into great depth at examining prot1yp's ratings, it does appear to have a method. The attitude rating appears to be based on activity in the game chat. The other two ratings appear to be based on performance in the game.This could be the reason for those deadbeat new recruits receiving one star for fair play.

i still find it really amusing that people play in Guide Games to help promote the site and teach new players... then do something like give a negative 1 star rating!! BW says it is ok, but it still makes no sense to me. you join them voluntarily, you know there is a great chance they will never take a turn, so why give a neg rating? anyway, this is a mute point, the owner of the site doesn't see how it is a negative thing, so why should i exhaust myself?-Jésus noir

- I won't exhaust either, but this was is the best point, Guides go into these games knowing the 97% drop off rate, why bother going through the motions to rate a 97%er? A guy/woman with more than 1 game who beataville railroads deserves it. The motions does not seem worth it.

[iAmCaffeine]

Accused:

proto1yp




The accused are suspected of:

Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 15195466
Game 15068956
Game 13318303
Game 13318287
Game 13318335

Comments:

Ok, I understand new recruits getting one star but look at the rest of the ratings he gives. Pretty much everyone he plays gets 5 stars for fair play, and 0 for game play and attitude. It's not even like he is winning all these games. There is just no need, only played him as he was also in a guide game, are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

No rating is not the same as a zero rating, and doesn't affect the averages. Maybe he doesn't feel the need, or capability, to rate them on those attributes. 1 star has a much worse effect on one's average than zero.
It's a strange pattern but I wouldn't call it abuse.

Wrong. A 0 doesn't affect the individual category rated on, but affects the overall rating.

[clangfield]

Accused:

proto1yp




The accused are suspected of:

Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 15195466
Game 15068956
Game 13318303
Game 13318287
Game 13318335

Comments:

Ok, I understand new recruits getting one star but look at the rest of the ratings he gives. Pretty much everyone he plays gets 5 stars for fair play, and 0 for game play and attitude. It's not even like he is winning all these games. There is just no need, only played him as he was also in a guide game, are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

No rating is not the same as a zero rating, and doesn't affect the averages. Maybe he doesn't feel the need, or capability, to rate them on those attributes. 1 star has a much worse effect on one's average than zero.
It's a strange pattern but I wouldn't call it abuse.

Wrong. A 0 doesn't affect the individual category rated on, but affects the overall rating.

Where is that documented?

[iAmCaffeine]

Accused:

proto1yp




The accused are suspected of:

Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 15195466
Game 15068956
Game 13318303
Game 13318287
Game 13318335

Comments:

Ok, I understand new recruits getting one star but look at the rest of the ratings he gives. Pretty much everyone he plays gets 5 stars for fair play, and 0 for game play and attitude. It's not even like he is winning all these games. There is just no need, only played him as he was also in a guide game, are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

No rating is not the same as a zero rating, and doesn't affect the averages. Maybe he doesn't feel the need, or capability, to rate them on those attributes. 1 star has a much worse effect on one's average than zero.
It's a strange pattern but I wouldn't call it abuse.

Wrong. A 0 doesn't affect the individual category rated on, but affects the overall rating.

Where is that documented?

Work it out.

[clangfield]

Accused:

proto1yp




The accused are suspected of:

Ratings Abuse



Game number(s):

Game 15195466
Game 15068956
Game 13318303
Game 13318287
Game 13318335

Comments:

Ok, I understand new recruits getting one star but look at the rest of the ratings he gives. Pretty much everyone he plays gets 5 stars for fair play, and 0 for game play and attitude. It's not even like he is winning all these games. There is just no need, only played him as he was also in a guide game, are guide games not meant to help people get into CC not turn them away?

No rating is not the same as a zero rating, and doesn't affect the averages. Maybe he doesn't feel the need, or capability, to rate them on those attributes. 1 star has a much worse effect on one's average than zero.
It's a strange pattern but I wouldn't call it abuse.

Wrong. A 0 doesn't affect the individual category rated on, but affects the overall rating.

Where is that documented?

Work it out.

It is not mentioned on the Ratings page as the way the calculation is done. It does however say that the ratings are 1 to 5; as a general mathematical principle therefore, zero would be excluded from any calculations.
It doesn't state whether the overall average is taken over all ratings, or the average of each category summed and divided by 3.
Can anyone who actually knows confirm how the calculations are done?
No problem with them, just curious.

[iAmCaffeine]

I can confirm, because I'm correct. There was a debate on it a while back and someone made the effort to work it out.

[clangfield]

I can confirm, because I'm correct. There was a debate on it a while back and someone made the effort to work it out.

There seems to be some inconsistency in the calculation.
For example here is one player (pandapo) who has received 1 star on one rating, and the other two are blank. Their overall average should be 0.333, should it not?

That said, I've then looked at dride506, who has more ratings, and the calculation is as you say.
I would presume therefore that the average rating can't be less than 1. It does however seem mathematically peculiar (ie inept) to have the potential for an overall average which is lower than any of the actual ratings and lower than the average of any of the three individual elements.

[iAmCaffeine]

To be honest, I find you too annoying to bother reading what you just said. Thought you'd like to know.

[clangfield]

To be honest, I find you too annoying to bother reading what you just said. Thought you'd like to know.

It must be nice to be proud of being lazy.
Some of us see an issue and try to understand and fix it; some can't be bothered. I suspect your life is similar.

[iAmCaffeine]

To be honest, I find you too annoying to bother reading what you just said. Thought you'd like to know.

It must be nice to be proud of being lazy.
Some of us see an issue and try to understand and fix it; some can't be bothered. I suspect your life is similar.

Yes, the best kind of insult! Making assumptions about someone's life to try and insult them without actually having a fucking clue.



I think you need to go through your own forum posting guide kiddo.

[clangfield]

To be honest, I find you too annoying to bother reading what you just said. Thought you'd like to know.

It must be nice to be proud of being lazy.
Some of us see an issue and try to understand and fix it; some can't be bothered. I suspect your life is similar.

Yes, the best kind of insult! Making assumptions about someone's life to try and insult them without actually having a fucking clue.



I think you need to go through your own forum posting guide kiddo.

Read it though, didn't you ?

[iAmCaffeine]

To be honest, I find you too annoying to bother reading what you just said. Thought you'd like to know.

It must be nice to be proud of being lazy.
Some of us see an issue and try to understand and fix it; some can't be bothered. I suspect your life is similar.

Yes, the best kind of insult! Making assumptions about someone's life to try and insult them without actually having a fucking clue.



I think you need to go through your own forum posting guide kiddo.

Read it though, didn't you ?

Actually, no.