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Lemonade Stands: Introduction to Entrepeneurialism

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http://www.npr.org/2011/07/19/138461324 ... ade-stands
If lemonade stands are symbols of the American dream, and if lemonade stands are under attack in the United States, then the American dream is under attack.

Sure, it's a somewhat breathless syllogism, but there is truth in it.
Matt Grozier, 8, and his neighbor, Alyssa Boyd, 5, at her lemonade stand near Lightstreet, Pa., in 2007.
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Matt Grozier, 8, and his neighbor, Alyssa Boyd, 5, at her lemonade stand near Lightstreet, Pa., in 2007.

Arguably there is no catchier, kitschier symbol of the American spirit than a lemonade stand. It represents not only a way of life, but a way of making a living. It is capitalism and leisure, refreshment and resourcefulness, enterprise and summer skies all squeezed together — stirred in with lemons and sugar and water — and sold by the glass for whatever the market will bear.

But if you are paying attention to the news, you know that lemonade stands are at risk.

Just this year, The Associated Press reports: In July, police shut down a lemonade-making operation in Midway, Ga., because law enforcement officials were not sure how the lemonade was being made. In April, a 13-year-old lemonade purveyor was robbed of $130 by dastardly customers in Warner-Robins, Ga., and, in July, kids in Strongsville, Ohio, said a handful of teenagers, including two boys sporting skinny jeans and blue hoodies, stole at least $13.50 from their lemonade stand.

During the U.S. Open in June, officials in Montgomery County, Md., fined kids $500 for running a fancy lemonade stand — that sold bottled lemonade and other drinks — near the golf tournament. Proceeds, the children said, were going to charity. County officials finally agreed to waive the fine and allow the kids to operate without a permit if they would move the 10-by-10-foot tent down the road a piece.

As one of the mothers of the children told WUSA news: "The message to kids is, there's no American dream."



http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/20 ... de-stands/
I’m beginning to think that there’s a nation-wide government conspiracy against either lemonade or children, because these lemonade stand shutdowns seem to be getting more and more common. If you set up a stand for your kids, just be prepared for a visit from the cops.

In Coralville, Iowa police shut down 4-year-old Abigail Krstinger’s lemonade stand after it had been up for half an hour. Dustin Krustinger told reporters that his daughter was selling lemonade at 25 cents a cup during the Register’s Annual Great Bicycle Race Across Iowa (or RAGBRAI), and couldn’t have made more than five dollars, adding “If the line is drawn to the point where a four-year-old eight blocks away can’t sell a couple glasses of lemonade for 25 cents, than I think the line has been drawn at the wrong spot.”

Nearby, mother Bobbie Nelson had her kids’ lemonade stand shutdown as well. Police informed her that a permit would cost $400.
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Meanwhile, in Georgia, police shutdown a lemonade stand run by three girls who were saving money to go to a water park. Police said the girls needed a business license, a peddler’s permit, and a food permit to operate the stand, which cost $50 per day or $180 per year each, sums that would quickly cut into any possible profit-margin.

In Appleton, Wisconsin the city council recently passed an ordinance preventing vendors from selling products within two blocks of local events – including kids who want to sell lemonade or cookies.

These are hardly isolated incidents. From slapping parents with $500 fines for letting their kids run unlicensed lemonade stands (though this was later waived after public outcry), to government officials calling the cops on kids selling cupcakes, the list goes on and on and on.



http://www.lemonadefreedom.com/2012/03/ ... n-stossel/
I tried to open a lemonade stand

By John Stossel

Want to open a business in America? It isn’t easy.

In Midway, Georgia, a 14-year-old girl and and her 10-year-old sister sold lemonade from their front yard. Two police officers bought some. But the next day, different officers ordered them to close their stand.

Their father went to city hall to try to find out why. The clerk laughed, and said she didn’t know. Eventually, Police Chief Kelly Morningstar explained, “We were not aware of how the lemonade was made, who made the lemonade, and of what the lemonade was made with.”

Give me a break. If she doesn’t know, so what? But kids trying their first experiment with entrepreneurship are being shut down all over America. Officials in Hazelwood, Missouri ordered little girls to stop selling Girl Scout cookies.

It made me want to try to jump through the legal hoops required to open a simple lemonade stand in New York City. Here’s some of what one has to do:

1) Register as sole proprietor with the County Clerk’s Office (must be done in person)

2) Apply to the IRS for an Employer Identification Number

3) Complete 15-hr Food Protection Course!

4) After the course, register for an exam that takes 1 hr. You must score 70 percent to pass. (Sample question: “What toxins are associated with the puffer fish?”) If you pass, allow 3-5 weeks for delivery of Food Protection Certificate.

5) Register for sales tax Certificate of Authority

6) Apply for a Temporary Food Service Establishment Permit. Must bring copies of the previous documents and completed forms to the Consumer Affairs Licensing Center.

Then, at least 21 days before opening your establishment, you must:

Arrange for an inspection with the Health Department’s Bureau of Food Safety and Community Sanitation. It takes about 3 weeks to get your appointment. If you pass, you can set up a business once you:

- Buy a portable fire extinguisher from a company certified by the FDNY and set up a contract for waste disposal.

- We couldn’t finish the process. Had we been able to schedule our health inspection and open my stand legally, it would have taken us 65 days.


I sold lemonade anyway. I looked dumb hawking it with my giant fire extinguisher on the table.

Tourists told me they couldn’t believe that I had to get “all those permits.” A Pakistani man said, “That’s crazy! You should move to Pakistan!”

But I don’t want to move to Pakistan.

Politicians say, “We support entrepreneurs,” but the bureaucrats make it hard. The Feds alone add 80,000 pages of new rules every year. Local governments add more. There are so many incomprehensible rules that even the bureaucrats can’t tell you what’s legal. In the name of public safety, politicians strangle opportunity.
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What a completely fair article!

THE AMERI--UH, LEMONADE STANDS ARE UNDER ATTACK!

I know what the article are trying to say, but operating a lemonade stand isn't the American Dream, them darn silly article writers.

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rdsrds2120 wrote:What a completely fair article!

THE AMERI--UH, LEMONADE STANDS ARE UNDER ATTACK!

I know what the article are trying to say, but operating a lemonade stand isn't the American Dream, them darn silly article writers.

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Well, it's 3 articles...one of them is even NPR!
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Phatscotty wrote:
“That’s crazy! You should move to Pakistan!”


I lol'd
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Phatscotty wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:What a completely fair article!

THE AMERI--UH, LEMONADE STANDS ARE UNDER ATTACK!

I know what the article are trying to say, but operating a lemonade stand isn't the American Dream, them darn silly article writers.

-rd


Well, it's 3 articles...one of them is even NPR!


Most of my resentment was based off of the first article-- should have mentioned that.

Also, what would NPR have to do with anything?

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Finally, they've been enjoying tax free status for far too long. How many people have been harmed by the sugars used to produce these toxic cocktails?
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Diabetus is a serious epidemic in this country that must be curbed. I think stopping all undocumented lemonade stands is the start in slimming the american waistline.
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whitestazn88 wrote:curbed.


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I've heard the lemonade stands are trying to acquire WMDs.
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Army of GOD wrote:
whitestazn88 wrote:curbed.


not sure if pun intended


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Is there anybody else in the room here that can remember the time in history when the fucking coolest funnest computer game on the whole entire planet was called "Lemonade Stand"
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aligator_al wrote:Is there anybody else in the room here that can remember the time in history when the fucking coolest funnest computer game on the whole entire planet was called "Lemonade Stand"


wrong. Duke Nukem has always been the best computer game, even before it was conceived.
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aligator_al wrote:Is there anybody else in the room here that can remember the time in history when the fucking coolest funnest computer game on the whole entire planet was called "Lemonade Stand"

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It's about time the government insists on some standards!
Have you ever actually consumed something handled by a small child? It's obvious these "children" are planted by the pharmaceutical industries to introduce new strains of the flu virus to the populace, thereby terrorizing Americans into buying a new vaccine each year.
You every wonder why drugstores sell flu shots and candy?
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rdsrds2120 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:What a completely fair article!

THE AMERI--UH, LEMONADE STANDS ARE UNDER ATTACK!

I know what the article are trying to say, but operating a lemonade stand isn't the American Dream, them darn silly article writers.

-rd


Well, it's 3 articles...one of them is even NPR!


Most of my resentment was based off of the first article-- should have mentioned that.

Also, what would NPR have to do with anything?

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Well, when I make threads, I anticipate responses... like yours. It is for people like you that I list 1 story on the issue from NPR, 1 story on the issue from Forbes, and 1 story on the issue from John Stossel. I do this to present different sides of the story, and in this case to show how ideological opponents agree on this simple reality, even if you disagree. You must feel that way solely because it's my post? I guess you can't help your comments even when it's clear I was presenting an issue honestly, but then again you would have to actually read the post you are responding to in order to understand that.

Wait, why did you respond to the post without even reading it????

Also, a lemonade stand IS most definitely a small scale symbol of the American dream and a wonderful introduction to Capitalism for our children. If you would read the posts you respond to, you would at least be introduced to the idea, which in this case is extremely simple to grasp.
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Phatscotty wrote:a lemonade stand IS most definitely a small scale symbol of the American dream and a wonderful introduction to Capitalism for our children.


Ah yes, setting up a business with somebody else's capital, taking all the revenue, and never paying back the investment. That's an amazing way to teach kids about how great capitalism is.
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Yeah, why don't those kids get off their asses and work in the coal mines?
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For a more appropriate lesson in capitalism, those children should develop a business plan and go door to door in the neighbourhood trying to drum up investors, who will expect to be repaid (+interest, of course). Now, if after a few nice days, they've saved up some of the profits (and didn't go buy candy with it), perhaps they can capitalize their next venture themselves. The reliance on parental subsidies has got to stop. It taints the market, and destroys any incentives to become more efficient.
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There's communism in the households! It must be rooted out and quashed!
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BigBallinStalin wrote:There's communism in the households! It must be rooted out and quashed!


That's no communism! It's a dangerous mix of communism and capitalism: the parental units (government) fund the ventures, but the child-like ones (private business owners) receive all the benefits. There is no integrity in this system, and the idea that it is a quintessential introduction into American-style capitalism might shed some light on why the American economy has been behaving as it has in recent years.
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We should just nationalize these lemonade stands and distribute their sinful profits fairly, while ensuring all members of society get poorly made lemonade.
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The corporations are just going to buy out the lemonade stands any way.
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Timminz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:a lemonade stand IS most definitely a small scale symbol of the American dream and a wonderful introduction to Capitalism for our children.


Ah yes, setting up a business with somebody else's capital, taking all the revenue, and never paying back the investment. That's an amazing way to teach kids about how great capitalism is.


Here is an elementary level introduction for you.
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Youth Entrepreneurship and Lessons from a Lemonade Stand

Amidst all the recent chatter about how our nations’ youth are failing to meet core standards in the public school system, there is one thing that Americans do well, and that is entrepreneurship. It has been the cornerstone of the country’s economic achievements, from early innovators and entrepreneurs like Ford and Franklin to current successes such as Gates and Zuckerberg.

At some point in time, most kids experience the brief joys entrepreneurship as they cart their lemonade stand supplies to the edge of the driveway in an early pursuit of the American dream. Yet, there is more to youth entrepreneurship than your occasional lemonade stand that occupies little Jimmy’s time for a few weekend hours. Of course it’s adorable watching him craft his stand and overly sweeten the lemonade that will make his customer’s thirstier than when they arrived; but in those few hours, he’s learning some very valuable lessons that he’ll take with him the rest of his life.

What most kids experience with that lemonade stand is pure ownership, something that is rare in childhood. Sure, you may be teaching your kid about responsibility and financial management through delegating chores, but chores are a micro-managed activity. There’s not a whole lot of creativity in emptying a dishwasher, making a bed or folding the laundry and putting it away. They are tasks that are dictated on performance and time. Though chores are necessary and an excellent way to teach important skill sets, they are not activities that a kid has complete control over. With entrepreneurship, there are numerous ways to solve problems. There is no one right answer and one wrong, simply success and failures. With failures come chances for do-overs; the most important lesson and opportunity that entrepreneurship provides.

Part of what is so enticing about entrepreneurship is ownership – ownership over ideas and actions and the ability to make decisions. It’s about freedom to call the shots and build something out of nothing. Over 700,000 people each year in the US take a stab at starting a business, partly due to the desire to be one’s own boss. A sense of ownership doesn’t begin at age 18 or after college; it’s a powerful force than transcends all ages, genders and socio-economic backgrounds.

There’s nothing quite like true ownership. It builds self-esteem and self-awareness. From that sense of ownership, mixed with youth entrepreneurship, we find other life-long benefits emerge. That lemonade stand teaches financial literacy, decision-making, strategic-planning, creativity, mathematics, innovation, communications, accountability, risk-taking, teamwork and delegation. All this from mixing up some sugar and lemons and sitting on the sidewalk waiting for people to stop by. Your child may not bring in a six figure income from his venture yet, but he did something significant all on his own.

Like most parents we want our kids to enjoy their childhood as much as possible and be free of the responsibilities of adulthood because they will spend plenty of time fussing over the realities of life once they fly the coop. The limited time your kid has to enjoy his childhood is undoubtedly valued; he likely won’t see this carefree time in his life until he retires. Yet, the bulk of his life will be spent making his way through the world, independently taking care of himself and his family. All of the lessons learned from his childhood, including those days spent behind his lemonade stand, will carry over into adulthood and help steer him towards who he will become.

While as parents we don’t know with certainty what our kids will become professionally, but we do know what they will need to know to get ahead and be competitive. And that’s part of our job to teach them.
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That, ladies and gentleman, is what is known as a non-sequitur response.
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Timminz wrote:That, ladies and gentleman, is what is known as a non-sequitur response.

that is a non-response, and a dodge. Not that I expected anything else

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