We all have our strategies. I don't think we should yell at each other in the chat window, saying, "Attack him" or "Why are you doing that?"
Also, is it legal for players to make agreements not to attack each other? I was in a game where someone said, "If you don't attack me, I won't attack you."
as long as its discussed in game chat and everyone knows it is ok to make allainces, as for telling you what to do some players do it a lot and use it as part of their strategy (see qeee1 and dugcarr1)
Well I had a rant at a player not so long ago, a captain as well. He sat back on a border while another player commandeered 2 continents - he could easily have broken the bonuses. I felt I was entitled to be pissed off and let him know about it, especially since I was on the verge of being eliminated because of it. I think he finally got the message but not quickly enough for me - I was out.
it is risky business making suggestions in a game too...if you are too bossy, you can often be attacked because you annoyed the other player...but more experienced players will sometimes make suggestions to new players
and sometimes it is necessary...if someone suggests another player might want to consider attacking the stronger player...thats fine, and should be expected...if they start barking out orders, or insults, they are probably about to lose anyways....certainly the person they are yelling at isnt going to let them win...
the best thing you can do if someone is going off on you is find a way to win the game....nothing is sweeter...ive had the opportunity to do it a few times and it is awesome...
I've been called a "backseat risker" if I see someone make a stupid move, or about to make one, I'll call them on it. Especially lately in playing assassin games! holy crap, not everyone understands it and goes to take out someone else's target. So my suggestion: learn to take contructive advise. I try not to word it like, hey you stupid fucking moron, so don't take it as such.
I have nothing against advices, suggestions or pacts. But, dammit, don't order me around, 'speccialy in a Standard game! I am sick of all those: "Congrats, you gave the game to the blue!" Well, I won't give it to you bub! I never suicide, deadbeat or make secret alliancies. Other then that I don't do shit for my opponents!
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Mishuk gotal'u meshuroke, pako kyore.
Talapus wrote:I'm far more pissed that mandy and his thought process were right from the get go....damn you mandy.
Game Chat can be a very important aspect to achieving victory in the game. It's effectiveness as a tool is all in the manner in which it is done. Insulting your opponents and using abusive language is like relying on a rusty tool and then wondering why it didn't do what you wanted it do.
The fact is that some players really don't see some things they should see. If those things will have negative consequences for you it behooves you to point it out.
Diplomacy can be as fun as tactics, even though it seems to be undervalued by a great many players.
I conduct my game chat in a polite manner. I'm trying to influence people to do things that will ultimately be in my interest. The best way for me to achieve my goals is sometimes to help others achieve theirs. Hence I don't understand the way some people use their comments in the game chat, since they seem calculated to have the opposite effect.
I find it frustrating when people don't look at the game chat. If there's an important issue to me (such as a proposal to a particular player), I will go as far as to PM the player asking that he read the Game Chat. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't.
If someone reacts very negatively to something I've said to him, and says: "don't tell me what to do." I apologize of course: "sorry I didn't mean to tell you what to do, it's just that in your position I would have done the following...." Where "the following" is exactly and honestly what I would have done had I been in his place. At this point the person is sometimes so displeased that they will purposely do something contrary to my advice just so it will be clear that they are not following my advice. Since from my point of view my advice to him was optimal, it is a guilty pleasure to watch him do something else which is usually suboptimal. If you do this, it's paramount that you never gloat -- this is something that is best savored in silence.
wicked wrote:I've been called a "backseat risker" if I see someone make a stupid move, or about to make one, I'll call them on it. Especially lately in playing assassin games! holy crap, not everyone understands it and goes to take out someone else's target. So my suggestion: learn to take contructive advise. I try not to word it like, hey you stupid fucking moron, so don't take it as such.
when i read "backseat risker" i thought of something completely different.
tahitiwahini wrote:Game Chat can be a very important aspect to achieving victory in the game. It's effectiveness as a tool is all in the manner in which it is done. Insulting your opponents and using abusive language is like relying on a rusty tool and then wondering why it didn't do what you wanted it do.
The fact is that some players really don't see some things they should see. If those things will have negative consequences for you it behooves you to point it out.
Diplomacy can be as fun as tactics, even though it seems to be undervalued by a great many players.
I conduct my game chat in a polite manner. I'm trying to influence people to do things that will ultimately be in my interest. The best way for me to achieve my goals is sometimes to help others achieve theirs. Hence I don't understand the way some people use their comments in the game chat, since they seem calculated to have the opposite effect.
I find it frustrating when people don't look at the game chat. If there's an important issue to me (such as a proposal to a particular player), I will go as far as to PM the player asking that he read the Game Chat. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't.
If someone reacts very negatively to something I've said to him, and says: "don't tell me what to do." I apologize of course: "sorry I didn't mean to tell you what to do, it's just that in your position I would have done the following...." Where "the following" is exactly and honestly what I would have done had I been in his place. At this point the person is sometimes so displeased that they will purposely do something contrary to my advice just so it will be clear that they are not following my advice. Since from my point of view my advice to him was optimal, it is a guilty pleasure to watch him do something else which is usually suboptimal. If you do this, it's paramount that you never gloat -- this is something that is best savored in silence.
Good stuff. I typically don't use the game chat as much as I do PM. If someone does pull off an unexpected maneuver that is actually beneficial to them or myself, I'll shoot them a PM and tell them that I was impressed, how I know that nobody saw it coming and to continue to think in such an unconventional manner. Doing this gives people the sense that someone else appreciates their thought process and then they follow it up by trying to over think their next move, allowing me to swoop in and clean up the mess.
There is no luck, only preparation and execution.
Alliances are for the weak, whimpering masses looking for someone to hold their hand through the storm.
if someone that is clearly a better player then you gives you a tip, or makes a suggestion that would be the best play at the time, I would suggest not giving him the " I'm a big boy now, and u cant tell me what to do" attitude.
hes better then u for a reason, and u should listen and watch these players carfully. or else youll end up playing like u do now for a long time to come.
I tend to keep quiet when another player is doing something stupid, unless it's somehow hurting me.
I once played a game with a guy who held South America, and another who held North America and Europe, while I held bits of Asia.
The guy continued to attack me, ignoring the fact that he could have broken the other players bonus and won the game within a few turns.
Needless to say the other player made short work of him, and then after another day or so, me.
He left me a negative feedback for pointing out that he had made a mistake.
if someone that is clearly a better player then you gives you a tip, or makes a suggestion that would be the best play at the time, I would suggest not giving him the " I'm a big boy now, and u cant tell me what to do" attitude. hes better then u for a reason, and u should listen and watch these players carfully. or else youll end up playing like u do now for a long time to come.
( shit that is)
It was a case of me being hemmed in by two other remaining players. I was trying to get North America to give myself some leverage. It was a no-card game, and the other two guys each held a continent. I was reinforcing my front lines, and the guy who "advised" me basically told me not to fortify the border he shared with me. He was not "clearly better", as far as I could see. He said I was hurting him and myself by continuing to fortify against a possible invasion of NA by him. But he didn't say how. He should've PMed me instead of saying I was wrong but not saying how I was wrong.
And to those who replied to my post with sarcasm or called me names, all I can say is it doesn't make for a very welcoming community, especially for someone new to the site, but not new to Risk by a long shot. Do you guys not give a shit about alienating members? Do you want folks to get pissed and leave?
Well, it's not a "welcoming community," just a collection of individuals, some of whom know how to behave and some of whom don't. The longer you're hear the easier it will be to tell who's who.
Interact with the ones you want to, ignore the others.
Often it's not about you, it's about them. Learn to attach importance to other's opinions with discretion. Some of the opinions are worth exactly what you've paid for them. Other opinions are valuable. I expect you'll know the difference.
hatchman wrote:Thanks for your comment. I think i'm used to environments in which people cut others a bit of slack, and insults aren't delivered with such freedom.
I know, wasn't that great! Then I moved out of my parent's house....
The ability to treat others humanely is within everyone's grasp. That some choose not to, should elicit pity on your part, not envy.
^ I'm not sure how you see envy on my part, but whatever. You're the guru apparently.
And by the way, it's when I moved out of my parents' house many moons ago that I learned to treat people with a degree of respect. But hey, let's not make this about me huh
if I see someone make a stupid move, or about to make one, I'll call them on it. Especially lately in playing assassin games! holy crap, not everyone understands it and goes to take out someone else's target. So my suggestion: learn to take contructive advise. I try not to word it like, hey you stupid fucking moron, so don't take it as such. 
