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BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

I guess the Phatster has nothing for ya.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

I guess the Phatster has nothing for ya.

Timminz wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

I guess the Phatster has nothing for ya.

On the contrary, he has a big fat dodge for me. I suspect he'll follow it up with an accusation of trolling.

Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

I guess the Phatster has nothing for ya.

you are such a troll!

How do you know if someone fully funded anything themselves or not? That's an assumption. Guess Beiber missed that too. Why do you assume again, if your first assumption was correct, that the repayment of the investment was not made??? Where are you getting all this from? Are you not just projecting your prejudice? Who was it you assume did not expect a repayment? the parents?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

I guess the Phatster has nothing for ya.

On the contrary, he has a big fat dodge for me. I suspect he'll follow it up with an accusation of trolling.

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Phatscotty wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

I guess the Phatster has nothing for ya.

you are such a troll!

How do you know if someone fully funded anything themselves or not? That's an assumption. Guess Beiber missed that too. Why do you assume again, if your first assumption was correct, that the repayment of the investment was not made??? Where are you getting all this from? Are you not just projecting your prejudice? Who was it you assume did not expect a repayment? the parents?

trollolol.


sorry phatsco, but none of that makes sense. You've committed the logical fallacy of Playerian Off-Topicing (POT).

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

How do you know if someone fully funded anything themselves or not? That's an assumption. Guess Beiber missed that too. Why do you assume again, if your first assumption was correct, that the repayment of the investment was not made??? Where are you getting all this from? Are you not just projecting your prejudice? Who was it you assume did not expect a repayment? the parents?

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:what is your evidence that a lemonade stand "does not teach kids a single thing" about the words I mentioned. (business, capital, investment, and capitalism)

Even though my initial point was limited to the following: having a business fully funded by someone who doesn't expect repayment of their investment, is not a "wonderful introduction to Capitalism", I will respond to your expansion upon that statement...

I will concede the first one (business) as it's a pretty generic term, and lemonade stands do indeed teach some aspects of business (production, sales, logistics to an extent). For the other three (capital, investment, and capitalism), I maintain that lemonade stands (in the sense I've described) do not teach kids anything. If you disagree, I'd be happy to consider whatever evidence you provide.

How do you know if someone fully funded anything themselves or not? That's an assumption. Guess Beiber missed that too. Why do you assume again, if your first assumption was correct, that the repayment of the investment was not made??? Where are you getting all this from? Are you not just projecting your prejudice? Who was it you assume did not expect a repayment? the parents?

Okay. I see where we're missing each other here.

Where I come from, a lemonade stand is a young child with some lemons and sugar they got from their parents' kitchen, mixed with water, in a jug from that same kitchen, selling it out front of their house on a hot summer day. You seem to think they're more involved than that.

So that we can be on the same page, please explain to me the life-span for your idea of a typical lemonade stand, step-by-step, from idea to dissolution.

Somehow I suspect that once you've done that, we will agree entirely, except for what constitutes a "typical lemonade stand".


Protip for having intellectually honest debates in the future: If you're arguing a point, argue the point. If you want to argue the assumptions, argue the assumptions. When you argue a point, it indicates that you've accepted the premise, so when you then reply to a counter argument by arguing the assumptions, it brings the whole thing back to the start. It gets tiresome for anyone foolish enough to try to have a real discussion with you.

Yes, I just called myself foolish.

BigBallinStalin wrote:Sorry, Phat. It seems you're having trouble reading the screen. I'd recommend the following for cleaning your computer monitor:

Phatscotty wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:I always wanted to have a lemonade stand when I was little, but my street isn't busy enough (especially out in front of my house considering my street is horseshoe shaped so less than half of the people on my road don't even pass my house).

Also, I was way too lazy.

Well, at least you grasped the importance of "location location location!" just by thinking about a lemonade stand

Yes, as my prostitution business didn't do so well either.

Try adding a charity concept to the mix

Ever since her little brother was diagnosed with autism, Emily has been raising money through her lemonade stands. She created Lemonade 4 Autism and has been setting up stands all over her community.

Below, Beck interviews Michael Holthouse, founder of a non-profit dubbed “Lemonade Day,” and his daughter. Their organization teaches children the fundamentals of entrepreneurship, and how, through the American Dream, can become anything they want to be — and in today‘s day and age where a college education doesn’t guarantee anyone a job, this may be the most valuable skill one needs to learn. Watch below:

First they came for the milk,
and I didn't speak out because I was lactose intolerant.

Then they came for the milk again,
and I didn't speak out because I was non-dairy.

Then they came for the lemonade,
and I didn't speak out because I had no lemons.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak
Because round the corner chocolate is made.

Marcus and Christoph Carola wanted to attend Restoring Love, but they just didn’t have the money to make the trip from Orlando to Dallas.

The two brothers had a few options: they could accept it or, as Americans have traditionally done, they could find a way to make it happen with hard work and a determined entrepreneurial spirit. They chose the latter and started a business, hoping to earn the money on their own, never once asking for someone else to give it to them — not even their parents.

They are just kids, you know.

The business owners, Marcus, 10, and Christoph, 13, opened up a lemonade stand in their backyard earlier this month.
You'll Never Guess How Much Young Entrepreneurs Marcus and Christoph Carola Earned Running a Lemonade Stand to Travel to Texas for Restoring Love

Entrepreneurs (L) Christoph and (R) Marcus Carola (Photo credit: Jason Howerton/TheBlaze)

Christoph and Marcus were up at sunrise and didn’t close up until the sun was on its way down, sometimes working about 11 hours each day, on their own free will. When all was said and done, the two boys had raised nearly $2,000 — more than enough to send them and their parents to Restoring Love. They even had money left over, but they say they plan on donating the rest to charity.

And the best part — they did it all without a government-issued permit.

TheBlaze caught up with the young entrepreneurs on Friday as they were working the Restoring Love lemonade stand at the Sheraton Hotel in Arlington, Texas where they agreed to share their inspiring story.

“I really look forward to it,” Christoph told TheBlaze, referring to the lemonade stand. “When you go outside, you‘re like ’yeah,‘ and you feel energized and you want to do it because it’s fun, you know… And we made all our money to get here by ourselves.”

The boys’ father, Dominic Carola, nearly let his emotions get the better of him when he talked about just how proud he was of his sons.

“It is pretty awesome, I’ve got to admit. They did it all on their own,” he said. “I have to try not to get choked up.”

He continued: “I was just super impressed because they would get up super early, set up the stand themselves and it was unlike anything I’ve seen them do before,” he said. “And they’d have crowds out there and they did really, really well.

Dominic told TheBlaze that what his sons did to get to Restoring Love is exactly what has always made the United States the greatest country in the world. It’s not about relying on the government for everything, he explained. It‘s about helping yourself and helping those who can’t help themselves.

“They are learning everything about self-reliance, and if they need to purchase something or they want to do something, they’ve got to try to figure out how to get that money — no one is just going to give it to us.”

Even more impressive, Marcus and Christoph have also founded their own company “Marcus Works,” which develops video game ideas. Though the business has yet to generate any revenue, Marcus says they aren’t discouraged because even when you fail there is a lesson to be learned.

Dominic is the president of Premise Entertainment, a media-based production company specializing in story telling and character development for animation and live action productions, and though his business has seen tough times he wants his children to know that he did build his business, regardless of what President Barack Obama says — and they build their own too.

(Related: President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen’)

“It was really hard to take,” Dominic said of Obama’s “you didn’t build that” remarks. “When you know what you’ve been through, the blood, sweat and tears, literally pouring your heart and soul into your business, it is just hard to hear that.”

He added that God is the only person who has a stake in his success, not the government and not the public roads, so he says the glory goes to Him.