Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I passed my engineering chartership review on Friday.... more posts for me to go through than I can manage on a tablet. Will go through on my computer later.

Nothing major for me to say I dont think.

[TimWoodbury]

just got done reading the last few pages, had drill yesterday then after that a family meal with wifes family and mine so wasnt on a lot actually missed a few turns also.

@Mitch one of the few things that stuck out to me in the last 3 or so pages was i bealive your last post that ONLY said a quick post for you.... why even make a post if its not going to say anything helpfull at all?

the slip up by Anark saying we are slipping under the radar could be a thing but knowing phone spelling it very well could of been a typo. will be a thing to keep a note of down the road

[Serbia]

Don't think he's been mentioned yet but Gary Oak might be here too, maybe in a 3rd party capacity.

Reporter: Professor Oak, I understand that you have such a confidence in all the safety measures in place, that you have allowed your favorite nephew, Gary Oak, to participate in this year's competition.

Professor Oak: Well, I don't know about 'favorite'...

Reporter:

Sounds to me like Gary Oak is in this game, and if you had read the Day 1 story arc, you'd know this.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

FIrst things first. There are generally two major scumfails day 1.

The first is those who know a lot D1 about the mechanics of the game. Samlem falls into this category in this game. He claims to have pieced it together on conjecture alone, but somehow made quite a few leaps of logic. Scum tend to know a lot more D1 than others due to more informative role descriptions.

The second are those who decide to make a point of showing they know nothing. Tim's question to Dakky was such an event. Really? Its questionable that Team Rocket are in this game? Tim has claimed during the start of this game that he knows pokemon well, so how can he be surprised by the idea of Team Rocket? Likely answer is that he IS team rocket and wants to pretend to have no knowledge of such.

Right. I'll allow that

Why? Why is it acceptable for people to make up random excuses to avoid posting? The excuses always come after the event and are meaningless. A lack of posting is a lack of posting.

im not shure how i feel about both anakrk AND minster both more or less soft claiming trainers either 1 is role fishing hopeing to get a kill or maybe they are both looking for an ally?? not tottaly sure as to what they got going on they both look off to me right now

So you dissappear for days and then come back with this? It appears to be that you are trying to nudge us all towards lynching one of Nark or Minster to get the heat of yourself without actually voting.

im not shure how i feel about both anakrk AND minster both more or less soft claiming trainers either 1 is role fishing hopeing to get a kill or maybe they are both looking for an ally?? not tottaly sure as to what they got going on they both look off to me right now

Show me where I soft claimed anything... Again, you are skimming and attributing things to the wrong people...

Again you are being an absolute hypocrit. Please show where I have been like Donald Trump and tried to shut down your case on Minster? Dont accuse others of misinterpreting at the same time as being completely useless yourself.

@Nark: don't sell it too short. I was playing a bit of a doubting Thomas on the Masket case but there was some warrant to it.

Well, I thought it was a pretty awesome catch... I also stuck to it, and was lambasted for it. So, I backed off. Trump, I mean WingCommander and, IIRC, Fircoal, were the ones who thought I had no idea what I was talking about and that I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

And whilst we are at it. Someone found you might have made a typo or a scumslip and you decide to write a four liner in defence? Why did it hit too close to the truth?

@legionnare, no opinions formed yet? It's difficult for us - who haven't played with you either - to form an opinion of you if you don't post your thoughts and comments.

No opinions formed because I've still to read through the D1 posts, thoughts and comments will follow once I have.

Talk about hiding and lurking trying to avoid contributing. Surely you have some opinions on the proceeds now?

vote legionnare time to give your thoughts, what do you think of Masket, Nark etc.?

Well thats outright rich coming from you Nagerous? When did you post before this. Pot Kettle Black

unvote as legionnare has now commented.

vote madmitch for your very limited contribution which has also been scummy with the multiple useless questions

Now just piss off. This is your so called "unlimited contribution"? You are a joke.

The Nark "slip" is a bad case and anyone pushing it should feel bad. I strongly suspect that out of sw, BuJaber and HotShot one or more are scum for pushing something so outrageously bad. I am not really sure which I want to vote for. I will vote strike wolf purely because out of the three of them he already has a vote and so that slightly breaks the tie in the direction of having a wagon happen.

I can understand the objection to Narks case, but why Strikewolf again? Of the three of them only Strikewolf bothered to put together a rounded case that covered more than just the scum slip. Bujaber is now being very defensive about the whole thing even though you didnt vote him.....

Below are Hotshots posts. Can someone point out where he as actually given a useful opinion?

Spoiler

To those pointing out that I have been not posting enough in recent games, I have to agree with them, I admittedly wasn't posting too much. I guess a combination of often being busy, and not really having anything new to add to the conversation usually limited my posting... and since it seemed the less I said the less likely anyone was to make a case on me was an added benefit. I guess I pushed that a bit too far though, so I will sincerely attempt to post more often this game.

The mix of lots of former players who don't know the new ones, and new ones who don't know the old players, does make for an interesting combination in this game, as basically no-one knows the meta of everyone else. We're all going to have to somewhat trust those who do know the metas of players we don't know.

Has there ever been this many vote counts in a day 1 before? Many games don't have this many vote counts in the entire game lol. While it's a lot better than almost never having one, a new vote count doesn't have to posted after every vote you know... once or twice a day is good enough unless someone is close to being lynched or something.

FP by Serbia

On the other hand, mitch asking questions which can't be answered yet is something completely different.

Exactly -- I noticed that. Too many questions for day 1... too few answers/theories provided by him. Reads like a post of someone trying to appear productive.


Also this slip up is almost too good to be true... but I can't ignore it so Unvote Vote Anarkist:

I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

Good catch, that could definitely be an inadvertent slip-up by a scum... and combined with earlier when he tried to not get "distracted" by anything other than his own case, it's the best lead I've seen so far for day 1, so I will unvote, vote Anarkistdream

Call me stupid but I don't understand what the slip of Anark is... that bolded part... anyone care to explain?

The fact that he said "We" when referring to scum

On a similar note, I could do a similar summary of Kwantons posts. So far he appears to be limited to just posting snipets of rules and the scenes. Gee what a huge help! NOT

On the Masket case, (pun intended), there are two outcomes here. He dies at night as he gets targeted by scum for being a trainer (Well who said they would be all scum....) or he survive because he is a scum trainer and we get him later. I really dont see why we would lynch him today.

I really dont like Fircoal or SKoffin in this game. Skoffin jokevoted Fircoal and then was very quick to defend him against real votes. Something is very fishy about that, its like he wanted to be able to claim late in the game that he voted him so cant be amigos, but doesnt want a d1 lynch on him.

I have a funny feeling about Fircoal, however he is being helpful so far so I shall refrain for now. Keeping an eye open.

[madmitch]

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

[Anarkistsdream]

@Nark: don't sell it too short. I was playing a bit of a doubting Thomas on the Masket case but there was some warrant to it.

Well, I thought it was a pretty awesome catch... I also stuck to it, and was lambasted for it. So, I backed off. Trump, I mean WingCommander and, IIRC, Fircoal, were the ones who thought I had no idea what I was talking about and that I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

And whilst we are at it. Someone found you might have made a typo or a scumslip and you decide to write a four liner in defence? Why did it hit too close to the truth?

This line you are menioning... Yeah, this happened BEFORE the typo... Are you actually reading these posts in chronological order? It doesn't seem as if you are...

So far, you yourself have offered NOTHING... All you have done is attack and criticize EVERY other player. Where are your points about possible game setups, mechanics, general mafia craziness? I caught Maskets question and other people seem to agree, so, at the very least, I have contributed. All you have done is complained and made snide comments...

If you really are town, you should rethink your position.

@madmitch... Your constant argument is you "don't know much about pokemon." Well I literally know nothing... I am way out of the age group that Pokemon was ever focused on, and so are a few other gamers here... Quit using it as an excuse. It has NO bearing on how people are playing. What it does do, however, is make you look like you are looking for an out about contributing... And that is scummy.

[Fircoal]

I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...

On Nark's slip up I'm sort of torn. On one hand it could be absolutely nothing. It's easy to mess up words. But on the other hand it's very easy to confuse what your mind is saying and what you want to type. the one thing that strikes out ot me is that "we are too easily slipping under the radar" doesn't make sense. Espeically since Nark isn't exactly slipping under the radar.

I can see I've picked up a few votes, but for anyone else watching, I think Mandy's story clue here is important.
Those kid trainers are almost 100% certain to be 'town' trainers. As for Team Rocket, while yes, it's likely they'll be here, it's by no means guaranteed. Giovanni I would say is likely sitting in the 'godfather' role, but he was never really a 'trainer' per se. More like a businessman who constantly got he lackies doing his work for him.

Giovanni most definetly is a trainer. In both the anime and in the games he was a gym leader. A strong one too. Yes he had lackies to do his work for him but he certainly was a trainer too.

In a nutshell, I don't believe those are good enough odds to target what you believe is a trainer. You're more likely to hit town.

So your assumption is then that the majority of the pokemon are then town aligned? And I'm sorry, lost again so hopefully someone can fill in. But, why wouldn't team rocket be considered kid trainers? I thought in the game they were the same age as Ash and the rest?

Not exactly, I believe even in the game they are older than the main character, although to be fair outside of the anime I don't think their ages are said.

Don't think he's been mentioned yet but Gary Oak might be here too, maybe in a 3rd party capacity.

Reporter: Professor Oak, I understand that you have such a confidence in all the safety measures in place, that you have allowed your favorite nephew, Gary Oak, to participate in this year's competition.

Professor Oak: Well, I don't know about 'favorite'...

Reporter:

Sounds to me like Gary Oak is in this game, and if you had read the Day 1 story arc, you'd know this.

This. Although I will note memory can be a fickle thing.

@Nark: don't sell it too short. I was playing a bit of a doubting Thomas on the Masket case but there was some warrant to it.

Well, I thought it was a pretty awesome catch... I also stuck to it, and was lambasted for it. So, I backed off. Trump, I mean WingCommander and, IIRC, Fircoal, were the ones who thought I had no idea what I was talking about and that I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

And whilst we are at it. Someone found you might have made a typo or a scumslip and you decide to write a four liner in defence? Why did it hit too close to the truth?

This line you are menioning... Yeah, this happened BEFORE the typo... Are you actually reading these posts in chronological order? It doesn't seem as if you are...

So far, you yourself have offered NOTHING... All you have done is attack and criticize EVERY other player. Where are your points about possible game setups, mechanics, general mafia craziness? I caught Maskets question and other people seem to agree, so, at the very least, I have contributed. All you have done is complained and made snide comments...

If you really are town, you should rethink your position.

@madmitch... Your constant argument is you "don't know much about pokemon." Well I literally know nothing... I am way out of the age group that Pokemon was ever focused on, and so are a few other gamers here... Quit using it as an excuse. It has NO bearing on how people are playing. What it does do, however, is make you look like you are looking for an out about contributing... And that is scummy.

I agree with what Nark said. You don't have to know about Pokemon to play this game. Trust me, I know Pokemon better than anyone in this game (maybe not the first gen but in general yes), (also not the 7th gen because I'm still not done with that game. I am slow at these things. x3), it doesn't exactly help me know who is scum and who isn't. Furthermore we can't answer what Mandy put in the game because we don't know. We're not him. People need to stop using their lack of experience in the subject matter as a reason to not participate in trying to find scum. It's incredible scummy and inadvicable if you're town.



Speaking of Nark I would like to add this, yes he's say things that have seemed odd or off, but at the same time he hasn't been afraid to stick his neck out and he has been posting a lot. In general posting a lot is good for town more than scum. While scum does want to push lynches they like they also don't want to attract attention. Nark has attracted attention, while it's possible it was just an unintentional effect I do tend to like to keep active players alive. It's good for town.

a short post

This is unacceptable. When we're looking for posts we're not looking for posts just for the sake of getting posts. This isn't one of my mafia games. We're looking for content, something that you've not been giving. Every post of yours is a bunch of nothing tied up in a bow of mystery. Yes, you have posted here but what here has been useful. When have you tried to find out who is bad? Looking through your post history there isn't anything there that's helped town. In fact. LET'S LOOK THROUGH IT!

[ b]VOTE DOOM[/b] WHY: He usually comes after me, it's either Dakky or Doom and for now Doom will do

Nothing, but it's early and that's acceptable.

@ Anark ( just lazy ) like your post about the minister, makes sense ,
more than a lot other posts. UNVOTE VOTE MINISTER MASKET

Bandwagoning without any added logic, just shameless piling on.

As to my vote,Narks point made sense to me at that time , I will change it if I need to , but for now I like it where it is at. I t gets harder and harder to pick out scum because of all the reposting and Skoffin writing all his posts in red don't make it any easier on the eyes, what's up with that ? the nines were a mistake or were they?

Excuses and a restatement of what he said before. Nothing useful added.

@ Serbia ,This is how I usually play , I don't like writing big posts all the time,I rather read and make points to my self then get into it. I liked where my vote was ,but lately I am thinking of changing it , but maybe I won't ,I don't like the unvoting and revoting habit, it makes you look unsure of your self or just a follower.@ Skoffin sorry!!

Statement of saying that he doesn't usuallly help. Nothing of value added besides a defense of how he plays. Well at least it's something.

Okay guys and gals the only thing I know about Pokemon is what I see on netflicks, I have been reading about them in wiki and am starting to make some sense of it all. So what I got so far from all the posts that we are in Indigo league which is Gen. 1 and the bad guys are Team Rocket , am I correct ? If so why would anyone bring up team rocket when we all know they are scum? was it a slip or are they as mentioned before looking for town cred? H ow many teams are there? As someone else asked are the trainers fighting against other trainers? How many trainers are there? and are there pokemons without trainers? These questions must be answered before we get a good sense who to go after. Can someone answer any of these questions?

ACtually these questions don't need to be answered before we know who to go after. Certainly they may help but it doesn't stop that we need to find the scum and remove them. Knowing what variation of scum doesn't help with knowing we have to be rid of them. This question sounds like a stall question.
It's a bunch of questions but no actual answers. Many of these questions having to do with stuff already covered and answered. No answers of suggests given, thusly doesn't actually say much.

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

No. No it doesn't. As Nark said that doesn't mean that you can't post and do all of that. You can still try to figure out who scum is and yet YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT. Your contributions are jumping onto bandwagons and stalling in place.

You have 7 posts and very little content between all of those posts. This is the defintion of someone trying to look active without actually adding anything to the discussion. And who does that? That's right scum. At least Dakky and Tim's posts while misguided are trying to get at something but these posts? They go nowhere. He's never pointed his fingers at anyone besides targets that were already picked out for him. He's not putting his neck out on the line at all, and all of this I find very scummy.

Unvote. Vote: Madmitch

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Nark: don't sell it too short. I was playing a bit of a doubting Thomas on the Masket case but there was some warrant to it.

Well, I thought it was a pretty awesome catch... I also stuck to it, and was lambasted for it. So, I backed off. Trump, I mean WingCommander and, IIRC, Fircoal, were the ones who thought I had no idea what I was talking about and that I should give him the benefit of the doubt.

And whilst we are at it. Someone found you might have made a typo or a scumslip and you decide to write a four liner in defence? Why did it hit too close to the truth?

This line you are menioning... Yeah, this happened BEFORE the typo... Are you actually reading these posts in chronological order? It doesn't seem as if you are...

So far, you yourself have offered NOTHING... All you have done is attack and criticize EVERY other player. Where are your points about possible game setups, mechanics, general mafia craziness? I caught Maskets question and other people seem to agree, so, at the very least, I have contributed. All you have done is complained and made snide comments...

If you really are town, you should rethink your position.

I am aware that the post I quoted was before the typo. I can still bash you with your own argument. You are correct, I am criticizing everyone, however, only one player is getting really really annoyed and reacting competely out of proportion with the accusations. And that is YOU.

Correct, I have not contributed to ideas about possible game setups or mechanics. I do not think it is very town to fish for information. If anyone wants to tell us useful things which dont compromise their position I am sure they will. How does speculation about game setup help?

You should learn how mafia works, but clearly thats never going to happen.

[dakky21]

You have 7 posts and very little content between all of those posts. This is the defintion of someone trying to look active without actually adding anything to the discussion. And who does that? That's right scum. At least Dakky and Tim's posts while misguided are trying to get at something but these posts? They go nowhere. He's never pointed his fingers at anyone besides targets that were already picked out for him. He's not putting his neck out on the line at all, and all of this I find very scummy.

I know it's all meta, as I played with mitch in almost all games in last year or two... and I've just remembered this IB's post from last Pokemon game... link ... It is true that mitch while being town is much more proactive and tries more to search for scum. I repeat, that is only meta. This game his posts are utter nonsense and without any content. (check his posts in that other Pokemon game here: link)

So I'll just go with my meta here and

unvote, vote madmitch

[legionnare]

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

What you know or don't know about the flavour of a game has no bearing at all, whether Pokemon or Ming Dynasty China, the same general rules apply: find and kill mafia. The questions you were asking had nothing to do with that, as a town all the info you need to get going is given to you at the start, the only reason you would ask for more info (i.e. how many factions, how many in a faction, make up of factions, etc.) is if you are scum looking for information that would inform your decisions for night actions.

vote madmitch

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

What you know or don't know about the flavour of a game has no bearing at all, whether Pokemon or Ming Dynasty China, the same general rules apply: find and kill mafia. The questions you were asking had nothing to do with that, as a town all the info you need to get going is given to you at the start, the only reason you would ask for more info (i.e. how many factions, how many in a faction, make up of factions, etc.) is if you are scum looking for information that would inform your decisions for night actions.

vote madmitch

See this Anark. Someone who knows how to play mafia.

Take some notes.

[nagerous]

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

What you know or don't know about the flavour of a game has no bearing at all, whether Pokemon or Ming Dynasty China, the same general rules apply: find and kill mafia. The questions you were asking had nothing to do with that, as a town all the info you need to get going is given to you at the start, the only reason you would ask for more info (i.e. how many factions, how many in a faction, make up of factions, etc.) is if you are scum looking for information that would inform your decisions for night actions.

vote madmitch

See this Anark. Someone who knows how to play mafia.

Take some notes.

Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years

[Metsfanmax]

The second are those who decide to make a point of showing they know nothing. Tim's question to Dakky was such an event. Really? Its questionable that Team Rocket are in this game? Tim has claimed during the start of this game that he knows pokemon well, so how can he be surprised by the idea of Team Rocket? Likely answer is that he IS team rocket and wants to pretend to have no knowledge of such.

No, likely answer is that he's being a bit silly and trying to catch scum for knowing 'more than they should.'

[Metsfanmax]

The second are those who decide to make a point of showing they know nothing. Tim's question to Dakky was such an event. Really? Its questionable that Team Rocket are in this game? Tim has claimed during the start of this game that he knows pokemon well, so how can he be surprised by the idea of Team Rocket? Likely answer is that he IS team rocket and wants to pretend to have no knowledge of such.

No, likely answer is that he's being a bit silly and trying to catch scum for knowing 'more than they should.'

Sorry, I should clarify this. I'm not saying he is town -- just that the intent of his post isn't that he is surprised by Team Rocket, it's that he's acting like someone shouldn't be able to know for sure whether Team Rocket is in the game unless they're Team Rocket. That could be towny or scummy but let's at least agree that he's not a complete moron in this regard.

[Samlen]

So it seems the *main* reason people are still voting minister is because.... he slipped that he's a trainer? That seems highly illogicial considering the evidence that we have that at some/most trainers are townsided...
I believe that most, or even all, of the people voting Minister right now are either another trainer trying to eliminate competition, or scum also trying to eliminate competition.
Out of all the people voting him, Madmitch certainly has the least concrete of reasons by blatantly bandwagoning, so he will be earning my vote. I'd keep an eye on the others voting him too, since they could just as easily be scum.

FIrst things first. There are generally two major scumfails day 1.

The first is those who know a lot D1 about the mechanics of the game. Samlem falls into this category in this game. He claims to have pieced it together on conjecture alone, but somehow made quite a few leaps of logic. Scum tend to know a lot more D1 than others due to more informative role descriptions.

Unrelated pet peeve: My name ends with N not M =P

The post you are refering too I explained how I got to those conclusions... if you need me to go step by step and quote by quote how I reached that conclusion, then sure, I can do that.
I'm going to point out that other people came up with similar conlusions/agreed because it makes sense.

I gotta agree with Tim here, Nark. it dopes come across as you trying to say "hey, maybe i'm a trainer too" to MM with that comment. Which in turns make you ssupicious, because I'm wondering if the trainer deal is that they are actually cult or recruiting masons and they can "catch" (recruit) the pokemon in the night phase? And they have to kill the other trainers to win the game (i.e outcompete the others) - seems like the sort of mad stuff Mandy would do.

Aggressive players are great for town, since they tend to force players slip up and make mistakes, but I haven't seen a properly logical accusation from you yet.
They just seem to be attempts to start bandwagons, which is just plain dangerous. If it weren't for the fact that Mitch is playing scummier, I'd be voting you for said reasons.

And finally Vote Madmitch

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

What you know or don't know about the flavour of a game has no bearing at all, whether Pokemon or Ming Dynasty China, the same general rules apply: find and kill mafia. The questions you were asking had nothing to do with that, as a town all the info you need to get going is given to you at the start, the only reason you would ask for more info (i.e. how many factions, how many in a faction, make up of factions, etc.) is if you are scum looking for information that would inform your decisions for night actions.

vote madmitch

See this Anark. Someone who knows how to play mafia.

Take some notes.

Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years

And?

How long have you been perfecting your zero contribution play for?

[Samlen]

RIP I forgot to unvote first and then Vote Madmitch.

[Marashu]

BuJ, good catch with the nark slip. For right now, I'm willing to accept that it could be a phone error (I've seen some interesting ones), but it'll be something to consider as the day goes on. As for mets' comment about it being a bad case, I'd say it's not a bad one as D1 cases go, so I have no problem with BuJ finding it. If he's wrong, though, then I agree that it seems like an easy one for scum to latch onto, so I would be more suspicious of HotShot or strikewolf than I would of BuJ.
So far, I'm liking BuJ, Wing, and Fircoal (though I'm not convinced about his claim to being the most knowledgeable about pokemon ). I find this mitchwagon interesting - Tim and mitch are both rather erratic players, but it was interesting that there seemed to be a bit of resistance to the case on Tim, while mitch has had 4 votes in the last 3 hours. That said, I'm usually ok with either of them being lynched D1 and this is no exception.

Also, since in this game the mod has said it is a bad idea to claim, should we be insisting on a claim before hammer? I would say no, but we should still wait for a defense when at L-2. I would like to hear other people's thoughts on it, though.

[Anarkistsdream]

come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.

What you know or don't know about the flavour of a game has no bearing at all, whether Pokemon or Ming Dynasty China, the same general rules apply: find and kill mafia. The questions you were asking had nothing to do with that, as a town all the info you need to get going is given to you at the start, the only reason you would ask for more info (i.e. how many factions, how many in a faction, make up of factions, etc.) is if you are scum looking for information that would inform your decisions for night actions.

vote madmitch

See this Anark. Someone who knows how to play mafia.

Take some notes.

Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years

And?

How long have you been perfecting your zero contribution play for?

Again, no help with your last two posts... Just attacking other players... After this game, you will definitely be blocked... Not that I am surprised what a douche you can be, Trump...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Going back to ignoring you.

[The1exile]

The post you are refering too I explained how I got to those conclusions... if you need me to go step by step and quote by quote how I reached that conclusion, then sure, I can do that.
I'm going to point out that other people came up with similar conlusions/agreed because it makes sense.

I gotta agree with Tim here, Nark. it dopes come across as you trying to say "hey, maybe i'm a trainer too" to MM with that comment. Which in turns make you ssupicious, because I'm wondering if the trainer deal is that they are actually cult or recruiting masons and they can "catch" (recruit) the pokemon in the night phase? And they have to kill the other trainers to win the game (i.e outcompete the others) - seems like the sort of mad stuff Mandy would do.

Aggressive players are great for town, since they tend to force players slip up and make mistakes, but I haven't seen a properly logical accusation from you yet.
They just seem to be attempts to start bandwagons, which is just plain dangerous. If it weren't for the fact that Mitch is playing scummier, I'd be voting you for said reasons.

And finally Vote Madmitch

We really don't need any help with bandwagonning this game I see nark is copping a lot of flak for a playstyle which is totally in keeping with his personality. I don't think the supposed typo scum tell is worth a hill of beans so I'm merely a little concerned that he could be another trainer. Now, it's possible that the trainers are the town but since in pokemon there are always way less trainers than pokemon (duh) i'm sticking by my theory that pokemon or other npcs are the town and the various trainers are cult-type entitities. With that in mind, thinking that MM is a trainer and that trainers are bad, I'm going to Vote:Minister Masket.

[The1exile]

EBWOP

Unvote, Vote Minister Masket

[dakky21]

I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.

[DoomYoshi]

So it seems the *main* reason people are still voting minister is because.... he slipped that he's a trainer? That seems highly illogicial considering the evidence that we have that at some/most trainers are townsided...
I believe that most, or even all, of the people voting Minister right now are either another trainer trying to eliminate competition, or scum also trying to eliminate competition.
Out of all the people voting him, Madmitch certainly has the least concrete of reasons by blatantly bandwagoning, so he will be earning my vote. I'd keep an eye on the others voting him too, since they could just as easily be scum.

What part of all role claims are suicidal don't you understand?

[Samlen]

So it seems the *main* reason people are still voting minister is because.... he slipped that he's a trainer? That seems highly illogicial considering the evidence that we have that at some/most trainers are townsided...
I believe that most, or even all, of the people voting Minister right now are either another trainer trying to eliminate competition, or scum also trying to eliminate competition.
Out of all the people voting him, Madmitch certainly has the least concrete of reasons by blatantly bandwagoning, so he will be earning my vote. I'd keep an eye on the others voting him too, since they could just as easily be scum.

What part of all role claims are suicidal don't you understand?

I understand role claims are suicidal. Since he's a trainer, other trainers want to get rid of him, even if he's townsided. However, I believe that the mafia is more of a threat than a town-sided trainer, which I believe he is not mafia. Then again, it seems more likely that everyone is out for themselves and that there is no 'town'. However, I still think mafia is more of a threat, which I believe he is not. I guess it was my bad to assume people would think the same in that mafia is more of a threat than a trainer.