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Pedro, fucking Americans.


surely it should be "fat fucking Americans".

At what point do you start to say it like "american mexican" or "american african". At what point is country put first?

bedub1 wrote:At what point do you start to say it like "american mexican" or "american african". At what point is country put first?

When I move to Mexico. Africa is not a country, so I would say American Somali or something.

Pedronicus wrote:insert to blank line .... fucking

once someone from outside of America meets you and wanders off, under their breath they say 'fucking american' - you have made it.

Sadly, there are too many who fit the stereotype.

I should clarify. There are too many who fit the stereotype, that travel to other countries, making it possible for me to meet them.

Timminz wrote:

Pedronicus wrote:insert to blank line .... fucking

once someone from outside of America meets you and wanders off, under their breath they say 'fucking american' - you have made it.

Sadly, there are too many who fit the stereotype.

I should clarify. There are too many who fit the stereotype, that travel to other countries, making it possible for me to meet them.

Luckily for non-Americans, we welcome others into our country with open arms.

If I had to refer to myself in that way (which I don't), I would probably be Italian-American, just because that is what I am the most of.

thegreekdog wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Pedronicus wrote:insert to blank line .... fucking

once someone from outside of America meets you and wanders off, under their breath they say 'fucking american' - you have made it.

Sadly, there are too many who fit the stereotype.

I should clarify. There are too many who fit the stereotype, that travel to other countries, making it possible for me to meet them.

Luckily for non-Americans, we welcome others into our country with open arms.

Lucky us.

Ugly American.


Honibaz

sigh. This wasn't meant as a "fill in the blank" thread...

infidel - American

thegreekdog wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Pedronicus wrote:insert to blank line .... fucking

once someone from outside of America meets you and wanders off, under their breath they say 'fucking american' - you have made it.

Sadly, there are too many who fit the stereotype.

I should clarify. There are too many who fit the stereotype, that travel to other countries, making it possible for me to meet them.

Luckily for non-Americans, we welcome others into our country with open arms.

Of course only after getting finger prints and DNA samples, checking if someone with a similar name is on a list of militant vegans that are suspected of maybe planning to destroy some fence in north Flanders, asking if you've ever been a member of a "communist" party and making sure you're not wearing a turban or have a long beard.

MeDeFe wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Timminz wrote:

Pedronicus wrote:insert to blank line .... fucking

once someone from outside of America meets you and wanders off, under their breath they say 'fucking american' - you have made it.

Sadly, there are too many who fit the stereotype.

I should clarify. There are too many who fit the stereotype, that travel to other countries, making it possible for me to meet them.

Luckily for non-Americans, we welcome others into our country with open arms.

Of course only after getting finger prints and DNA samples, checking if someone with a similar name is on a list of militant vegans that are suspected of maybe planning to destroy some fence in north Flanders, asking if you've ever been a member of a "communist" party and making sure you're not wearing a turban or have a long beard.

Actually, we're not permitted to do any of that stuff. We'd much rather detain a 90 year old woman than a man with a turban and/or a long beard. No racial or ethnic profiling in the US.

thegreekdog wrote:No racial or ethnic profiling in the US.

Timminz wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:No racial or ethnic profiling in the US.

Hmm... I should rephrase. No racial or ethnic profiling in AIRPORTS in the United States.

Speaking of racial profiling, one of my friends, an English teacher in upstate Pennsylvania, was pulled over about a year ago by a police officer. My friend is black. So, the officer calls for backup and now there are two officers there. They ask him what he's doing. He says he is driving home from work. They ask him where he works and he says he's an English teacher and football coach at a local high school. The cop literally says, "Yeah right" in a sarcastic voice. So, they make him get out of the car, they search the car, they give him a ticket for some BS speeding and send him on his way. Just a nice little example of police doing their thing. I urged my friend to lodge a complaint, but he said that would probably cause more problems. He's a very spiritually Christian guy, and is quite forgiving, so he didn't care too much, but I mean c'mon.

This thread reminded me of one of the many ways my father liked to stir up trouble. Years ago, when 'black' was becoming politically incorrect and "African-American' was entering into PC usage, his second job was at a clothing store in a very white suburb with no black employees. However, one coworker was an immigrant from South Africa (white) and another was first generation with parents from Egypt, and my dad was constantly trying to get them to stand up for their rights as African-Americans.

Bebub asked for a serious answer, but it is probably too complicated an issue for a fairly tounge-in-cheek sort of forum. When I was a little kid, we claimed America was a melting pot- all the different cultures went in and blended into one culture, an alloy that was hopefully supiorer in its purpose then the individual metals that went into it. Nowadays the metaphor is a salad, the difference being that although a salad, like an alloy, is made up of ingredients, in a salad the ingredients do not merge/subsume their identity into a homogenous whole. Hence the purpose of being a "------"-American, claiming both one's role in the salad and what sort of culture/ethnicity one brings to it. An issue complicated by the fact that African-American is really just polite speek for black, as Africa had many cultures that the term lumps into one, (kind of like claiming an Irish-American and a Greek-American are equivalent as both are European-American) and as non-black Africans are excluded from the term.

I will also suggest those who are most "mainstream" in the culture (the lettuce if you want to use the salad metaphor) are those most likely to not feel the need for the prefix. I'm proud of my WASP heritage- a great uncle once traced the family tree back to the Danish invasion of England in the time of Alfred the Great, and my direct line male ancestors were in this country by 1632 before it technically was a country- and the remaining threads of my ancestry are Scottish and Irish, so I am as whitebread as they come. I don't feel I need to claim that I am a Anglo-Saxon American as I see American culture as being primarily a modified Anglo-Saxon culture, and modifications (mostly to the good) being what America drew in from the other cultures. Claiming to be a "------"American is a way of identifying with a particular component of the American blend- Every individual sees differently the degree to which they identify with the component instead of or as wellas they identify with being part of the American blend..

Is this need to catagorize people into politically correct ethnic specific groups practiced in other countrys? Or just countrys with affirmative action; (This maybe a different thread, but now that we have a black president is affimative action still needed) are blacks born in Scotland: African-Scottish?

What does the Crown call the indigenous people of Ireland and Scotland?I don't believe I've heard them called Native-Scots, or Native-Irish, and yet the Crown spent generations trying to wipe them out the same way our forefathers attempted to wipe-out the indigenous peoples of America.

DevilDuck,
U.S.-American

AAFitz wrote:"She was a young american"
David Bowie

"I'm Afraid Of Americans"
David Bowie

YoursFalsey wrote:This thread reminded me of one of the many ways my father liked to stir up trouble. Years ago, when 'black' was becoming politically incorrect and "African-American' was entering into PC usage, his second job was at a clothing store in a very white suburb with no black employees. However, one coworker was an immigrant from South Africa (white) and another was first generation with parents from Egypt, and my dad was constantly trying to get them to stand up for their rights as African-Americans.

Bebub asked for a serious answer, but it is probably too complicated an issue for a fairly tounge-in-cheek sort of forum. When I was a little kid, we claimed America was a melting pot- all the different cultures went in and blended into one culture, an alloy that was hopefully supiorer in its purpose then the individual metals that went into it. Nowadays the metaphor is a salad, the difference being that although a salad, like an alloy, is made up of ingredients, in a salad the ingredients do not merge/subsume their identity into a homogenous whole. Hence the purpose of being a "------"-American, claiming both one's role in the salad and what sort of culture/ethnicity one brings to it. An issue complicated by the fact that African-American is really just polite speek for black, as Africa had many cultures that the term lumps into one, (kind of like claiming an Irish-American and a Greek-American are equivalent as both are European-American) and as non-black Africans are excluded from the term.

I will also suggest those who are most "mainstream" in the culture (the lettuce if you want to use the salad metaphor) are those most likely to not feel the need for the prefix. I'm proud of my WASP heritage- a great uncle once traced the family tree back to the Danish invasion of England in the time of Alfred the Great, and my direct line male ancestors were in this country by 1632 before it technically was a country- and the remaining threads of my ancestry are Scottish and Irish, so I am as whitebread as they come. I don't feel I need to claim that I am a Anglo-Saxon American as I see American culture as being primarily a modified Anglo-Saxon culture, and modifications (mostly to the good) being what America drew in from the other cultures. Claiming to be a "------"American is a way of identifying with a particular component of the American blend- Every individual sees differently the degree to which they identify with the component instead of or as wellas they identify with being part of the American blend..

Fantastic post. Along with you mr duck. Do other countries have a population that calls them this? Are there african-french? African-british? Or is it just African-American?

Why do they not want to "melt" in the melting pot and share their culture and embrace ours? Why do we have lots of "Mini-mexicos" cropping up in the US? I've worked with lots of mexicans and I think they are great, fantastic people, with lots of offer us. They are very hard workers and dedicated to their families. Why can't they melt in with everybody else?

bedub1 wrote:Why do they not want to "melt" in the melting pot and share their culture and embrace ours? Why do we have lots of "Mini-mexicos" cropping up in the US? I've worked with lots of mexicans and I think they are great, fantastic people, with lots of offer us. They are very hard workers and dedicated to their families. Why can't they melt in with everybody else?

Yeah, I know, totally ridiculous, right pale face? I mean, why can't everyone just embrace the culture of the Indians. They were the culture here first before you White Devils started showing up.


WAT I'M NOT BEING RACIST LIKE BEDUB1 I'M JUST BEING SERIAL

pimpdave wrote:

bedub1 wrote:Why do they not want to "melt" in the melting pot and share their culture and embrace ours? Why do we have lots of "Mini-mexicos" cropping up in the US? I've worked with lots of mexicans and I think they are great, fantastic people, with lots of offer us. They are very hard workers and dedicated to their families. Why can't they melt in with everybody else?

Yeah, I know, totally ridiculous, right pale face? I mean, why can't everyone just embrace the culture of the Indians. They were the culture here first before you White Devils started showing up.


WAT I'M NOT BEING RACIST LIKE BEDUB1 I'M JUST BEING SERIAL

You make no sense. And I have spent lots of time on the res, and I love them to, and their culture, and think they need to move off the res, out into the rest of the country, spread their culture, adopt some of "ours"....

In order to make salad you don't throw a whole head of lettuce in there....you break it up and rip it apart and spread it around.

So now you're backtracking? I make perfect sense. By your logic, you're supposed to assimilate into the Indian culture and way of doing things, not force them to assimilate into what you dictate is the presiding culture of the nation.

This thread has gone from borderline to full-blown racist in a few pages, and I love it. Bedub1, please keep making racist jokes in the forum, it helps underscore just how unjust Dancing Mustard's banning was.

pimpdave wrote:So now you're backtracking? I make perfect sense. By your logic, you're supposed to assimilate into the Indian culture and way of doing things, not force them to assimilate into what you dictate is the presiding culture of the nation.

This thread has gone from borderline to full-blown racist in a few pages, and I love it. Bedub1, please keep making racist jokes in the forum, it helps underscore just how unjust Dancing Mustard's banning was.

I saw the racism card thrown and said to myself, "Self... what is the racism?" So, I read through the posts again. I still saw no racism. So, I'll ask you, pimpdave, where is the racism?

South - American
Un - American

thegreekdog wrote:

pimpdave wrote:So now you're backtracking? I make perfect sense. By your logic, you're supposed to assimilate into the Indian culture and way of doing things, not force them to assimilate into what you dictate is the presiding culture of the nation.

This thread has gone from borderline to full-blown racist in a few pages, and I love it. Bedub1, please keep making racist jokes in the forum, it helps underscore just how unjust Dancing Mustard's banning was.

I saw the racism card thrown and said to myself, "Self... what is the racism?" So, I read through the posts again. I still saw no racism. So, I'll ask you, pimpdave, where is the racism?

It's subtle. It's this arrogance demanding assimilation to our Anglo-influenced culture. It would benefit me if people did so, sure. To demand it though is racist.

I'm not accusing bedub1 of being a racist, just that his line of argument is. Especially since he makes no mention of the Little Italys or the Chinatowns, just as an example. Instead he singles out "mini-mexicos" and demands they assimilate. I doubt he even realizes he's a racist. Probably thinks he's open-minded, but he's not, and if he isn't called out on this line of thinking, it'll only get reinforced as legitimate.

This also underscores the weakness of speaking in analogy. I'm sure that in defense and back pedaling, he or you (in your continued white-knighting around the fora) will revert to the salad analogy in order to explain whatever crazy xenophobic notion he's trying to advance ("Children, words are like bullets").

It's either intellectually dishonest or completely devoid of intelligence.

There is no national language in the USA, there is no law declaring a particular culture as The One for the nation. To declare there is an Official Culture leads to these veiled racist criticisms and commentaries.

pimpdave wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

pimpdave wrote:So now you're backtracking? I make perfect sense. By your logic, you're supposed to assimilate into the Indian culture and way of doing things, not force them to assimilate into what you dictate is the presiding culture of the nation.

This thread has gone from borderline to full-blown racist in a few pages, and I love it. Bedub1, please keep making racist jokes in the forum, it helps underscore just how unjust Dancing Mustard's banning was.

I saw the racism card thrown and said to myself, "Self... what is the racism?" So, I read through the posts again. I still saw no racism. So, I'll ask you, pimpdave, where is the racism?

It's subtle. It's this arrogance demanding assimilation to our Anglo-influenced culture. It would benefit me if people did so, sure. To demand it though is racist.

I'm not accusing bedub1 of being a racist, just that his line of argument is. Especially since he makes no mention of the Little Italys or the Chinatowns, just as an example. Instead he singles out "mini-mexicos" and demands they assimilate. I doubt he even realizes he's a racist. Probably thinks he's open-minded, but he's not, and if he isn't called out on this line of thinking, it'll only get reinforced as legitimate.

This also underscores the weakness of speaking in analogy. I'm sure that in defense and back pedaling, he or you (in your continued white-knighting around the fora) will revert to the salad analogy in order to explain whatever crazy xenophobic notion he's trying to advance ("Children, words are like bullets").

It's either intellectually dishonest or completely devoid of intelligence.

There is no national language in the USA, there is no law declaring a particular culture as The One for the nation. To declare there is an Official Culture leads to these veiled racist criticisms and commentaries.

I think your view that he is racist and your insistence that it is "full-blown racism" lends itself to intellectual dishonesty. I think I acknowledge his question was dumb since I answered it, somewhat tongue-in-cheek. But I don't think it's racist. If I were a cynical person, I would say that you're going to use his posts to say "Look... here's someone who is racist and you (the mods) are booting DM, who is not racist."

Incidentally, it's more xenophobic than anything else.