NoS's Matrix6 Mafia GAME OVER, SCUM WIN!

[Iron Butterfly]

Touched a nerve have I? That was a fast response

And that was a BS response. A prime example of someone posting and not saying anything.

Tell me why I am wrong about Pottersedge.

[StorrZerg]

meh id lynch any of you.

[StorrZerg]

Actually probably not wing or ib, stupid petty fight probably townie.

As for Ibs care, i dont think its a bad case. Odd that it hasn't gotten any traction, while violet has.
slightly more active with just 1 more post.

Unvote
Vote Poter

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

As for Ibs care, i dont think its a bad case. Odd that it hasn't gotten any traction, while violet has.
slightly more active with just 1 more post.

It hasnt got traction because IB made one small comment, didnt explain it properly, then walked away. Excuse me but where is the pushing of said case? Now unhappy that everyone has ignored it.

I talk just for myself here, but I didnt even realise that IB had constructed a case above Potters inactive.

IB - Dont have a go at others if you yourself are not willing to believe your own case enough to actually try and get others onto it.

[VioIet]

Hard to blame Vi for lack of posts right now as very little is actually hapening.

Bingo. I still don't get what was with all the impatience.

As is Violet, but more benefit of the doubt there due to being new.

Hehe. Now I have never been portrayed as the most keen mafia player out there, and nor will I ever pretend to be. But with 20+ games under my belt, I am not sure of how I am getting this new status here. But I enjoy it. I'll gladly wear the newbie hat. It's fun to re-live. And I love to be given benefit of the doubt

I wasn't referring to this game specifically, with the circle.

Also i'm not at L-2. But would love another post from violet with her actual reads now, instead of nothing. She may not realize it but not much time until deadline this game.

True, the mod set a very quick deadline. He possibly wants to get the game moving. But I am not one to rush my posts or make a hasty lynch, even with a deadline approaching, especially if I feel that it is premature.

Imma hammer violet if no post by Sunday

I am fine with this. Town has little to go on, and I don't mind being the sacrificial lamb.

Violet is likely not being inactive to hide alignment. We called pressure, it's been a bit, so most likely conclusion is violet is actually busy.

No, I am not busy. I post every other day, around midnight my time. Expect my next post to be two days from now, around this time.

[Streaker]

Exactly, vio. You just admitted you will NOT be here for the (previous) deadline. Contributed nothing. It's the reason why I was 'rushing' you to post.
You do stay nice and calm under the pressure, I have no scum feeling there.

Unvote, vote end

[PottersEdge]

Sorry for the lack of posts. TA+ Half Term = family time.

I must say, it has all been interesting without a great deal of content. What I will say is that I agree with

Scum never get left out of town circles.

Especially early on in day 1, they will look at any small groups forming and try and hook their claws into the edge of these groups.

So What!! What exactly are you offering to the conversation?

vote Pottersedge

What exactly does your comment mean besides nothing? Scum to me.

I appreciate that I didn't really add anything to the conversation, but with not a lot to go on and not knowing how you all play it would be pretty tricky to pull anything other than pure bull out of my arse then.


As for Vi, I find it odd that her defence contained very little defence and more fluff and bluster. That being said, her comment of willing to be the sacrificial lamb shows to me a lack of need for her role, which does sway me towards thinking she is town.

Right now, if I was pushed I would say Vi, streaker, Wing, IB are town in my mind. Leaving Storr, hotshot, marashu and end as the ones that either haven't stood out or are suspicious to me.

To me, end's not wanting the deadline moved, which would more than likely have resulted in a rushed lynch or a no lynch is the most suspicious thing that has happened so far.

Thus unvote, vote end

[Marashu]

I don't think End's not wanting to push the deadline back in itself is scummy. His reasons, though...

Not sure pushing the deadline back will do us much good if noone will be here for the weekend anyway but thats not my decision so whatevs.

My point about the deadline is if noone will be here to post all weekend how will anything be different?
The thread will have the same content and we will just lynch whoever we were going to lynch anyways.
I see it as a waste of time but again,whatevs.

Let's say it was only a one day extension. The people not around on the weekend will come back. By the end of the day, at least some discussion will happen, and people will be there to vote, though it will be a rushed vote. With a two day extension, which is what was asked for, there will be monday's discussion with the people who weren't around to post over the weekend, AND Tuesday to do any final reads and voting. Your argument about things not being different doesn't really hold, in my opinion, in either of these cases. I can get just not seeing this, but calling it a waste of time? I'm not buying it. I'm beginning to suspect that the discussion about not much happening and people not posting anything, and the focus on that is what the scum want us to do.

Streaker, I'm really leaning town for you right now. Asking for the extension was so pro-town, I would be shocked to learn you're scum.
I see Wing as a bit suspicious, but I've been feeling like he's trying to scumhunt and is being a bit clumsy about it.
I'm also leaning town with IB right now. I'm having a hard time saying why, though if I had to, I'd say it's probably because he's adding good insight without fluff, and calling Potter specifically out on both not contributing and pointing out how nothing is going on.
Storr is town, getting a scumhunt feel from his posts.
Potter, well, I can buy Potter being busy, but I'm having a hard time buying Potter as town.
I'm not quite satisfied with Vio's defense. Calling yourself a sacrificial lamb doesn't scream town to me, nor does staying calm under pressure. Cracking under pressure can be telling of scum, but not cracking under pressure doesn't mean town, in my opinion. You say you post every other day, and don't like to be rushed? That's fine. I see that as pretty neutral. But people have asked for your opinions on what has happened, and you continue to simply not provide them. The mod's "very quick deadline" was outlined in the rules before the game started, so it's not like he surprised us with this to get the game going - in fact, I think we can get a lot done with two extra days, especially if weekends are quiet. If you're not big on rushed posts, you have two days worth of content to read over, evaluate, and write your opinions about. No opinion about Streaker's "scum slip"? No opinions about the exchange between IB and Wing? Or about the debate on pushing back deadline? Or any other thing that I might not see, because you've been in more than 5 times more Mafia games than I have? That experience has got to be worth something, so why aren't you bringing it to the table? So far, besides defending yourself, the one thing you contributed was your joke vote on me. My vote's staying on you for now.
I'm getting a neutral feel from HotShot. Some posts are helpful, some just seem to continue the nothing is happening discussion. Not sure what to make of that.

Could we be so lucky that the two least active are also the mafia?

[Iron Butterfly]

As for Ibs care, i dont think its a bad case. Odd that it hasn't gotten any traction, while violet has.
slightly more active with just 1 more post.

It hasnt got traction because IB made one small comment, didnt explain it properly, then walked away. Excuse me but where is the pushing of said case? Now unhappy that everyone has ignored it.

I talk just for myself here, but I didnt even realise that IB had constructed a case above Potters inactive.

IB - Dont have a go at others if you yourself are not willing to believe your own case enough to actually try and get others onto it.

Thank you for the lecture.

There is nothing to explain. His comment is plain as day. You either see it,you do not or you choose not to. Everybody is so busy talking they they do not take time to listen.

My observation ha nothing to do with Potter being inactive and everything to do with what he posted. He appears to be inactive after the fact.

[Endgame422]

OK im going to make this point one time and if yall want to lynch me for it fine.
Conquerclub expects you to come to the site everyday.
All of you here are playing games of risk on this site and therefore your here EVERYDAY.
If you cant be bothered to check a little thread like this when your on the site already then ya,i would say your wasting everyones time.
But by all means lynch me cuz only scum would ever think that.
Its an obvious scumtell when you want people to play the game.
Speaking of which VIs post was pure fluff.
Specifically asked for reads and gives us nothing.
VOTE VIOLET
With 20+ games you know reads are all we have D1 and if your town we need your opinion.

[NoSurvivors]

Vote Count:

Potter (2): IB, Storr
Wing (1): Endgame
Mars (1): Vio
Vio (3): Mars, Wing, End (L-2)
End (3): HS, Streaker, Potter (L-2)

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch. Deadline is now TUESDAY JUNE 2ND, 2015 AT 9PM EST

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So first End pushes for the deadline to be remain on Sunday during a period when he wasnt under any pressure. Now he is under pressure he is pushing a case against Violet because Vi has admitted to being exceedingly unhelpful to town.

Unless its the ultimate bluff, scum dont tend to offer themselves up as a day 1 lynch. I dont like Vi's play, its not beneficial at all, but that is not unique to Vi at the moment. We havent had reads from Hotshot, Storr, IB, Mars or Streaker.

So I shall unvote vi

I would vote End, but dont want to put him at L-1 this far from the deadline. I do want a claim though.

Why Potter over Hotshot? Both equally unhelpful. As is Violet, but more benefit of the doubt there due to being new.

Hot shot has at least been posting. Potter says nothing and when he does still says nothing.

Here you justified the Potter push over Hotshot because Hotshot has at least posted. I didnt understand it because it made no sense. I listed the three inactives and you didnt notice that this might mean I didnt understand your reasoning?

My observation ha nothing to do with Potter being inactive and everything to do with what he posted. He appears to be inactive after the fact.

I see where you are coming from here now. It makes sense, and just like most others playing, I want to see some proper reads from Potter, with reasoning this time.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

ps I won the 5aside tournament if you are interested. YEAAAAHHH.

[HotShot53]

I drove down to vacation today, and like an idiot forgot my laptop... so for the next week I will only have access via my phone. I should still be able to keep up with things, but any fancy quoting etc will be hard.

End, while people might get on once a day during weekends, it's still not as active as everyone will need to be to get an appropriate lynch. There is very little downside to town for an extension when we haven't had much to go on so far yet.

Violet, if you plan to only post once every other day, it better be one awesome post each time. Otherwise, you are going to be not at all help to town, won't be around for discussions, or anything.

[StorrZerg]

sort of agree with wing regarding violet, actively being stubborn tends to be more of a townie thing.
Yet at the same time violet hasn't provided anything useful.. With limited posting, and wasting a full day post, didnt follow up on mars, didn't provide anything game relevant, just excesses and apathetic attitude of not caring.

[StorrZerg]

Its strange potter isn't getting more attention....

[Iron Butterfly]

He made a detailed post. Voted and left.We have till Tuesday. Right before his last post I almost backed off thinking he was perhaps a VT and just decided he did not want to play.His posts seems to tell me he has played before though not here.

I still wish to know what he meant by his initial comment.

[StorrZerg]

Potter pushing end on want it the same deadline isn't scummy. It is more of a policy point from end which he can say from any alignment.

To back ends point, if we never had a deadline, it'd very real the game could drag on and foster inactivity and an negative impact on activity, the more time you have, some people will spend less time per day leading to worse disco because lack of activity. Keeping and holding a deadline helps keep people in check. I know I personally spent less time this weekend because we have Monday and Tuesday to talk.

So with that, potter just followed someone else which I find scummy, and added again nothing new to ends case.

[StorrZerg]

Potters was on.
Just a note

[Endgame422]

Im just a VT here wing.
There is no case on VI really just hoping to get some information here,but your unvote makes it kinda pointless from a pressure standpoint.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

A Vote doesnt add much pressure to someone who wont post till later anyway.

End, What is your opinion on Potter?

[NoSurvivors]

Vote Count:

Potter (2): IB, Storr
Wing (1): Endgame
Mars (1): Vio
Vio (2): Mars, End
End (3): HS, Streaker, Potter (L-2)

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch. Deadline is now TUESDAY JUNE 2ND, 2015 AT 9PM EST

[Endgame422]

A Vote doesnt add much pressure to someone who wont post till later anyway.

End, What is your opinion on Potter?

He is my number 1 lynch candidate.
I was hoping to get more from Vi but thats not going to happen until she is ready i suppose.
Same is true of everyone at this point so i may as well quit with the pressure and just vote for who i want to lynch.
UNVOTE
VOTE POTTER
I felt a little connection with potter/mars that came off scummy plus IB making a case on potter and potter ignoring it makes him my best guess for scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

This is the thing with both VI and Potter. I believe it highly unlikely that both could be mafia. One would have to know that the inactivity as it stands would draw attention. Would both Mafia do it? No way. As I said earlier my initial vote on potter was because I believed his comment really stood out. Him being mia only added to his scumminess. What I also found was he was surprisingly articulate in his post. He agreed and understood he was scummy, replied about real life and then proceeded to vote endgame as if he had been chatting the whole game.

I would take endgames vote more seriously if he had not been on the chopping block.

I will also say with all do fairness my initial vote was a gut reaction...his comment seemed just off. In the end it IS just a guess but it may prove to be a good one. He knows where he is at suspicion wise and so to not learn from his mistake serves no purpose.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am also rethinking between the two.

Its funny you learn new things everyday. The whole Town circle thing had me puzzled a bit, the comment I mean. I have never witnessed it used in such a way. It may have been used in passing in some games but it never really registered.

In hindsight Potters comment about mafia clinging to the edges of Town circles makes perfect sense. I do not however agree with his vote on Endgame.

I understand the logic but I just don't feel comfortable lynching because one disagrees with ones philosophy of extending or keeping a deadline. In fact in re reading Endgame has made some good posts in my opinion.

As i said before I find it highly unlikely that both Vi and Potter would be mafia. Out of the two Violet is all but useless so far. If she is Town she has been no help. I would now vote her over Potter.

unvote potter

I think she is already at l1 so i await her response. I would also like to hear Potters thoughts. This is his first time here at CC so I take that into consideration BUT in hind site his post was also a valid observation that I did not fully understand. I would be curious as to why Storr followed my lead.