Logic dictates that there is a God!

[jay_a2j]

What I want to know is: Why does there have to be a creation of the universe? Why is it that the universe can't just be something that always has been and always will be. How old is the universe? Infinite. Guess what, something that is infinite years old allows for such... illogical things to happen, such as human life springing originally from amino acids and such. "Life springing from monkey's!? Impossible! The universe is not random! It has an intelligent creator! Duh!" sounds a lot like "Lose 30 against 2!? Impossible! The dice are not random! Their rigged! Duh!" to me. But, with thousands of dice rolls (infinite amount of time) a day, such things are very possible and likely to happen.

Actually, I think science estimates the universe at something like 15 billion years old...
(Just butting in...)

but it's area is infinite, which makes anything just as likely as if its age was infinite

How do you know? Perhaps the universe is surrounded by concrete, or lava...... I don't know anyone who has traveled to find the edge of the universe that would know.

[hecter]

What I want to know is: Why does there have to be a creation of the universe? Why is it that the universe can't just be something that always has been and always will be. How old is the universe? Infinite. Guess what, something that is infinite years old allows for such... illogical things to happen, such as human life springing originally from amino acids and such. "Life springing from monkey's!? Impossible! The universe is not random! It has an intelligent creator! Duh!" sounds a lot like "Lose 30 against 2!? Impossible! The dice are not random! Their rigged! Duh!" to me. But, with thousands of dice rolls (infinite amount of time) a day, such things are very possible and likely to happen.

Actually, I think science estimates the universe at something like 15 billion years old...
(Just butting in...)

but it's area is infinite, which makes anything just as likely as if its age was infinite

How do you know? Perhaps the universe is surrounded by concrete, or lava...... I don't know anyone who has traveled to find the edge of the universe that would know.

OMG I haven't either! I also don't know anybody that has travelled up to heaven to have a heated discussion with God.

[Balsiefen]

What I want to know is: Why does there have to be a creation of the universe? Why is it that the universe can't just be something that always has been and always will be. How old is the universe? Infinite. Guess what, something that is infinite years old allows for such... illogical things to happen, such as human life springing originally from amino acids and such. "Life springing from monkey's!? Impossible! The universe is not random! It has an intelligent creator! Duh!" sounds a lot like "Lose 30 against 2!? Impossible! The dice are not random! Their rigged! Duh!" to me. But, with thousands of dice rolls (infinite amount of time) a day, such things are very possible and likely to happen.

Actually, I think science estimates the universe at something like 15 billion years old...
(Just butting in...)

but it's area is infinite, which makes anything just as likely as if its age was infinite

Aria is uncertain (it may even go round in a big circle)
Matter however seems to be expanding rapidly away from a certain point (which gives rise to big bang) it is from that that the age of the universe is being calculated.

However, there is nothing to say there was nothing before big bang so an infinate universe is still quite possible

[mr. incrediball]

What I want to know is: Why does there have to be a creation of the universe? Why is it that the universe can't just be something that always has been and always will be. How old is the universe? Infinite. Guess what, something that is infinite years old allows for such... illogical things to happen, such as human life springing originally from amino acids and such. "Life springing from monkey's!? Impossible! The universe is not random! It has an intelligent creator! Duh!" sounds a lot like "Lose 30 against 2!? Impossible! The dice are not random! Their rigged! Duh!" to me. But, with thousands of dice rolls (infinite amount of time) a day, such things are very possible and likely to happen.

Actually, I think science estimates the universe at something like 15 billion years old...
(Just butting in...)

but it's area is infinite, which makes anything just as likely as if its age was infinite

How do you know? Perhaps the universe is surrounded by concrete, or lava...... I don't know anyone who has traveled to find the edge of the universe that would know.

when people view galaxies far away from us, all the colours of the stars are more towards the red end of the spectrum than they should be. this is because of red shift, which only happens when things are moving away from you. meaning the universe is expanding.

how exactly could it expand into concrete or lava?

[Napoleon Ier]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

[mr. incrediball]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

infinity isn't a number. and it's not proven, but likely, to exist. somewhere out there.

ah, here's a goodun:

numbers it is possible to count to = infinite.

number of possible maths equations = infinite.

uh...

[hecter]

It doesn't really matter... I have a problem with the big bang theory anyway. I mean, how is the universe defined anyway? The space in which matter and energy can exist? Or the space in which matter and energy does exist? If it's the latter, then there is no edge to the universe. Get past the current edge, then you just made the new edge, didn't you? If it's the former, how did the big bang happen in the first place? And, then the energy and matter used in the big bang must have existed in its own universe, right? It must have existed in it's own universe, otherwise there wouldn't have been any energy or matter to create the big bang.

[ParadiceCity9]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

heh. we just learned about those today...coincidence.

[heavycola]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

does 1 exist? Does 4562873?

The root of -1 is used in complex numbers, which are used to plot the mandelbrot set - do mandelbrot sets not exist?

Actually this is the platonic argument isn't it? I like plato.

[hecter]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

does 1 exist? Does 4562873?

The root of -1 is used in complex numbers, which are used to plot the mandelbrot set - do mandelbrot sets not exist?

Actually this is the platonic argument isn't it? I like plato.

You have a point... What's the √-1? i of course. "But nothing times itself equals -1!" you say. Well you're wrong! i^2=-1. i is just the symbol that was decided to represent that number. Just like 1, 2, 3, 4, ect. was used to represent their respective values.

[Guiscard]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

As I said before, the middle of a black hole.

[ParadiceCity9]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

does 1 exist? Does 4562873?

The root of -1 is used in complex numbers, which are used to plot the mandelbrot set - do mandelbrot sets not exist?

Actually this is the platonic argument isn't it? I like plato.

You have a point... What's the √-1? i of course. "But nothing times itself equals -1!" you say. Well you're wrong! i^2=-1. i is just the symbol that was decided to represent that number. Just like 1, 2, 3, 4, ect. was used to represent their respective values.

ya we invented all the numbers system crap. It's not necessarily not true that 2 x 2 = 4...

[hecter]

Infinity does not exist in the real realm. It is an imaginary number, not a real number, like the root of -1.

does 1 exist? Does 4562873?

The root of -1 is used in complex numbers, which are used to plot the mandelbrot set - do mandelbrot sets not exist?

Actually this is the platonic argument isn't it? I like plato.

You have a point... What's the √-1? i of course. "But nothing times itself equals -1!" you say. Well you're wrong! i^2=-1. i is just the symbol that was decided to represent that number. Just like 1, 2, 3, 4, ect. was used to represent their respective values.

ya we invented all the numbers system crap. It's not necessarily not true that 2 x 2 = 4...

No, it's true because we say it is.

[bloknayrb]

What I want to know is: Why does there have to be a creation of the universe? Why is it that the universe can't just be something that always has been and always will be. How old is the universe? Infinite. Guess what, something that is infinite years old allows for such... illogical things to happen, such as human life springing originally from amino acids and such. "Life springing from monkey's!? Impossible! The universe is not random! It has an intelligent creator! Duh!" sounds a lot like "Lose 30 against 2!? Impossible! The dice are not random! Their rigged! Duh!" to me. But, with thousands of dice rolls (infinite amount of time) a day, such things are very possible and likely to happen.

Actually, I think science estimates the universe at something like 15 billion years old...
(Just butting in...)

but it's area is infinite, which makes anything just as likely as if its age was infinite

Actually, something with a finite existence can't have infinite area; if it came into existence naturally then it can't have an infinite area, it can only appear to be infinite because we can't comprehend what is outside of its boundaries.

[dacey]

Actually, something with a finite existence can't have infinite area; if it came into existence naturally then it can't have an infinite area, it can only appear to be infinite because we can't comprehend what is outside of its boundaries.

You apparently haven't taken that many calculus courses. Ever heard of Gabriel's Horn?

And anyway, how did this become a math discussion?

[2dimes]

An infinite number of monkey accounts on an infinite number of keyboards?

[dacey]

Actually, I was just thinking about a few things.
First, I'm wondering how old Jay is. I can't decide if you're old and stuck on you're religion because it's all you know, or if you're young and haven't learned about evolution yet.

Second, I'm wondering why, since there is a ton of evidence for evolution, yet you still want to be religious, can't you just picture "God" putting together a bunch of things that would make the Big Bang? Then you wouldn't have to think of it as some impossible thing.

And you should read "The Moral Animal" by Robert Wright.

[bloknayrb]

Actually, something with a finite existence can't have infinite area; if it came into existence naturally then it can't have an infinite area, it can only appear to be infinite because we can't comprehend what is outside of its boundaries.

You apparently haven't taken that many calculus courses. Ever heard of Gabriel's Horn?

And anyway, how did this become a math discussion?

Good call, calculus is something I've been (so far successfully) avoiding.

[unriggable]

Actually, something with a finite existence can't have infinite area; if it came into existence naturally then it can't have an infinite area, it can only appear to be infinite because we can't comprehend what is outside of its boundaries.

Do you know what a singularity is? It's a fraction with one of the numbers being infinite.

[bloknayrb]

But is tat something physically possible, or only mathematically possible?

[hecter]

Actually, something with a finite existence can't have infinite area; if it came into existence naturally then it can't have an infinite area, it can only appear to be infinite because we can't comprehend what is outside of its boundaries.

You apparently haven't taken that many calculus courses. Ever heard of Gabriel's Horn?

And anyway, how did this become a math discussion?

Good call, calculus is something I've been (so far successfully) avoiding.

*groans*

Next year... Why universe why!?

[hecter]

But is tat something physically possible, or only mathematically possible?

That's a tough one... I have no clue.

[Senfive]

Actually, I was just thinking about a few things.
First, I'm wondering how old Jay is. I can't decide if you're old and stuck on you're religion because it's all you know, or if you're young and haven't learned about evolution yet.

Second, I'm wondering why, since there is a ton of evidence for evolution, yet you still want to be religious, can't you just picture "God" putting together a bunch of things that would make the Big Bang? Then you wouldn't have to think of it as some impossible thing.

And you should read "The Moral Animal" by Robert Wright.

First I am wondering how old you are? Second who in this world said everyone should think as you do? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about who created the cosmo's, wether we all came from primordial soup like you claim or wether there is some greater being than us all.

You clearly missed the concept of this thread. You have yet to "logicly" theorize why you believe we came from primordial soup. Plenty of other people have given there proof yet you haven't. You tell people to go read that book by Robert Wright. How is that different than Jay or any other telling you to go read the bible? It's not. So step down off your soap box and tell us all why you believe in evolution so much. This time try not to call anyone out due to what they believe or not believe.

[bloknayrb]

Next year... Why universe why!?

Actually, I probably will be taking calculus next year... (not what you meant, but still.)

[dacey]

First I am wondering how old you are? Second who in this world said everyone should think as you do? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about who created the cosmo's, wether we all came from primordial soup like you claim or wether there is some greater being than us all.

I'm 19 and a senior (in college) majoring in Biochemistry and Math, so I have taken enough classes in science to know that we didn't come from Adam and Eve. And we are all entitled to our own opinions, its just annoying when you throw out the facts to state yours. For instance, I would be really annoying if I kept saying that the sky is green when clearly it is not.

You clearly missed the concept of this thread. You have yet to "logicly" theorize why you believe we came from primordial soup. Plenty of other people have given there proof yet you haven't. You tell people to go read that book by Robert Wright. How is that different than Jay or any other telling you to go read the bible? It's not. So step down off your soap box and tell us all why you believe in evolution so much. This time try not to call anyone out due to what they believe or not believe.

I wasn't saying that he should read a book and believe every word that is written in it, because that is a stupid thing to do with any book. It gives insight as to why we believe in God (it is, in fact, human nature, which is why very different Gods have been created in every country through different beliefs). And its just an interesting book, even if I don't believe all of it (and I don't). Why should I go and repeat what every other person has logically said previously if I believe essentially the same thing? I explained that, if you want, they can live in harmony, thats all. I think its pretty obvious what I believe and I need not try to reprove what you'll be learning in a few (maybe more?) years anyway.
And I have read the Bible, I just didn't jump on the bandwagon.