9/11 Conspiracies(threads merged)

[xtratabasco]

red-herring


lets just stick to the 3 steel buildings that came down. if you dissprove just 1 of the attacks on 911 the whole thing comes down.

[moo_lol]

Oh, and another thing. For a conspiracy like this to be true, it would have to involve a large number of people. This includes all the people who would have had to set the charges to demolish the buildings. Don't you think it would be kind of hard to get all those people to comply and then not leak anything later?

[xtratabasco]

Oh, and another thing. For a conspiracy like this to be true, it would have to involve a large number of people. This includes all the people who would have had to set the charges to demolish the buildings. Don't you think it would be kind of hard to get all those people to comply and then not leak anything later?

easy as say Operation Northwoods.

[Gold Knight]

red-herring


lets just stick to the 3 steel buildings that came down. if you dissprove just 1 of the attacks on 911 the whole thing comes down.

Why, because your bullshit websites dont have any arguments on the two planes that didnt hit the Trade Centers? Seriously, you start all these rediculous arguments, and when others bring up valid points, you say

"Check out this link from a firefighter who was scared shitless at the time

Your dumb, let me post more sites:

[url]YoutubeShit.com[/url]
[url]InfowarsShit.com[/url]

LOL "

Im fairly on, arent I?

[xtratabasco]

red-herring


lets just stick to the 3 steel buildings that came down. if you dissprove just 1 of the attacks on 911 the whole thing comes down.

Why, because your bullshit websites dont have any arguments on the two planes that didnt hit the Trade Centers? Seriously, you start all these rediculous arguments, and when others bring up valid points, you say

"Check out this link from a firefighter who was scared shitless at the time

Your dumb, let me post more sites:

[url]YoutubeShit.com[/url]
[url]InfowarsShit.com[/url]

LOL "

Im fairly on, arent I?

so you and others believe some "kids" with boxcutters completly kicked our trillion dollar DofD, Norad, Army, Navy, Air Force and even beat Marvin Bush (Bush's kid brother) who was head of security at the WTC and airports.


now whos drinking the koolaid and wearing tin hats...



lol



dude, you got me rolling. I cant post anymore tonight......lol

[Gold Knight]

red-herring


lets just stick to the 3 steel buildings that came down. if you dissprove just 1 of the attacks on 911 the whole thing comes down.

Why, because your bullshit websites dont have any arguments on the two planes that didnt hit the Trade Centers? Seriously, you start all these rediculous arguments, and when others bring up valid points, you say

"Check out this link from a firefighter who was scared shitless at the time

Your dumb, let me post more sites:

[url]YoutubeShit.com[/url]
[url]InfowarsShit.com[/url]

LOL "

Im fairly on, arent I?

so you and others believe some "kids" with boxcutters completly kicked our trillion dollar DofD, Norad, Army, Navy, Air Force and even beat Marvin Bush (Bush's kid brother) who was head of security at the WTC and airports.


now whos drinking the koolaid and wearing tin hats...



lol



dude, you got me rolling. I cant post anymore tonight......lol

Yeah, becuase you know that the armed forces keep an eye on every commercial airplane that goes through the sky. And it just so happens that the AA guns on top of the WTC were jammed at the time, otherwise we wouldve taken it right down...

And about them getting on the airplanes, its not uncommon for an Arab to be a pilot or a passanger on a plane. We didnt adopt the Xtra rules that anyone not from America originally will be turned away from travel. Sorry, we'll talk to the major airlines right away to get that in effect.

And i have to say, you putting all your just proves your lack of education and your radical ideas.

[Carebian Knight]

You guys want to hear about conspiracies, then I'll bring one up. There is a conspiracy trying to blame the US government for the 9/11 attacks.

The reply to this will no doubt be something like, well this firefighter said otherwise, or some gay ass reporter said otherwise, I'm gonna believe him instead.

[radiojake]

You guys want to hear about conspiracies, then I'll bring one up. There is a conspiracy trying to blame the US government for the 9/11 attacks.

The reply to this will no doubt be something like, well this firefighter said otherwise, or some gay ass reporter said otherwise, I'm gonna believe him instead.

what's the reporters sexuality got to do with it?

[xtratabasco]

You guys want to hear about conspiracies, then I'll bring one up. There is a conspiracy trying to blame the US government for the 9/11 attacks.

The reply to this will no doubt be something like, well this firefighter said otherwise, or some gay ass reporter said otherwise, I'm gonna believe him instead.

"George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family. The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down.

SO, in summary, Marvin (and Saudi company) was in charge of the PLANES that got hijacked, the AIRPORT they were hijacked from, the BUILDINGS they crashed INTO and the insurance company INSURING the same buildings. Let us not forget all 19 hijackers were Saudi. NO ONE in the US congress, nor media seem to remember any of this, yet 100% of the US population know the COLOR of Monica Lewinski's stained dress, am I right?

[Cronus]

everyone knows 9/11 conspiracy theories are all created by the neoconservative movement in a way to consolidate power and fear in a monolithic government

so I am assumming those who believe in the conspiracy theories believe Osama Bin Laden is a CIA agent or something. I don't know about you guys but I think U.S. interventionism in foreign countries causes blowback. If conspiracy theorists are right, then American interventionism has no downside as they never try to get revenge.

I also don't get why conspiracy theorists believe the entire elite of the academic world is in some giant conspiracy against them by not agreeing with the conspiracy theorists.

Noam Chomsky, a much loved anti-American foreign policy polemic, even thinks Conspiracy Theorists are delusional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

[xtratabasco]

Noam Chomsky, a much loved anti-American foreign policy polemic, even thinks Conspiracy Theorists are delusional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

and Noam is a New World Order Shill too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXFX8bM6 ... ed&search=

[Cronus]

Noam Chomsky, a much loved anti-American foreign policy polemic, even thinks Conspiracy Theorists are delusional.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM

and Noam is a New World Order Shill too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXFX8bM6 ... ed&search=

I like how you classify a socio-libertarian as a new world order shill. This guy would love it if all governments disappeared.

I was so hoping for you to post something about Alex Jones who BTW has connections to the CIA, which is further evidence that the "9/11 conspiracy" is funded and backed by the neoconservative movement.

Alex Jones was involved in CIA PROJECT MOCKINGBIRD:

Now Listen, Here's where Alex Jones comes in:

Mockingbird was an immense financial undertaking with funds flowing from the CIA largely through the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF) founded by Tom Braden with Pat Buchanan of CNN's Crossfire.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_louise_01_03_03_mockingbird.html here you can see the article stating that Pat Buchanan was involved in this CIA working through the media RIGHT IN ALEX JONES OWN website. In other words Jones has a known CIA asset who was Jesuit trained and is a knight of Malta regularly on his show. Are you starting to see why Jones won’t talk about the Vatican issue? Can you see a problem here? Being that Pat Buchanan was a major player in the CIA playing mind control games on America through the Media and Alex Jones has him on as a regular on his “Alternative Media” Program. Are you THAT sound asleep people? Don't you see that the CIA is working through the Alex Jones Radio program and Website?
In the article it even says, "... the CIA began a secret project called Operation Mockingbird, with the intent of ... Media assets will eventually include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, ..." and don't forget that GCN is an ABC affiliate. Does Jones expect us to be lazy and not connect the dots?

OK now take a look at Buchanan's Counterpart who was on 2 different shows with him for a total of 9 years:
Thomas Braden:
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Thomas Wardell Braden (born 1918) is an American journalist.

In 1940 he joined the British Army Office of Strategic Services (OSS). He moved to Washington DC and became part of a group of journalists known as the Georgetown Set. Braden joined the Central Intelligence Agency and in 1950 became head of International Organizations Division (IOD). His efforts focused on promoting anti-Communist elements in groups like AFL-CIO.

Braden left the CIA in November, 1954, and became owner of the California newspaper, The Blade Tribune. He became a popular newspaper columnist and worked as a political commentator on radio and television. He also was at one time a candidate for governor of California.
After a 1967 Ramparts article exposed CIA involvement in groups like the National Student Association, Braden responded with "I'm glad the CIA is 'immoral' "[1] in the Saturday Evening Post. His work landed him on the master list of Nixon political opponents.

In 1975 Braden published the autobiographical book, Eight is Enough, which inspired a television series. The book focused on his life as the father of eight children and also touched on his political connections as a columnist and ex-CIA operative and as husband to a sometime State Department employee and companion of the Kennedy family, Joan Vermillion Braden. The television series, however, bore little relationship to the book other than naming the original characters after the Braden family and giving the lead character a job in journalism.

From 1978 to 1984 he co-hosted the Buchanan-Braden Program, a three-hour radio show with Pat Buchanan. He and Buchanan also hosted the CNN program Crossfire at the show's inception in 1982, generally debqating Buchanan or Robert Novak. Although Braden's role in the programs was promoted as representing the political left, some critics have questioned this label. Media critic Jeff Cohen, in a Truthout column titled "I'm Not a Leftist, But I Play One on TV," notes:

During the Braden-Buchanan years, LSD guru Timothy Leary told a reporter that watching Crossfire was like watching 'the left wing of the CIA debating the right wing of the CIA.' It may have been Leary's most sober observation ever."[2]

In CNN's eyes, Braden apparently earned his leftist credentials by having been a high-level CIA official - ironically enough, in charge of covert operations against the political left of Western Europe.
Braden was paired on Crossfire with ultra-rightist Pat Buchanan. During the Braden-Buchanan years, LSD guru Timothy Leary told a reporter that watching Crossfire was like watching "the left wing" of the CIA debating the right wing of the CIA." It may have been Leary's most sober observation ever.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/64/22693


Buchanan was baptized into the Roman Catholic Church and has remained Catholic throughout his life, attending the traditional Latin Mass. He has also spent most of his education at Catholic institutions. He attended Blessed Sacrament School, the Jesuit-runGonzaga College High School, and Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. Buchanan graduated from Gonzaga with a 98 average. He graduated cum laude from Georgetown with degrees in English and Philosophy in 1961. -Source-
Patrick Buchanan worked in the White House as speechwriter and political advisor for Richard Nixon, and later as communications director for Ronald Reagan.

Buchanan's father was an accountant who was fiercely anti-communist and admired Joseph McCarthy. (Who was trained by Jesuits also and took his "anti-communist stand" at the urging of Jesuit Edmund Walsh. See the Manchurian Candidate with Frank Sinatra (1962 version) to see a somewhat accurate look of the anti-communist propaganda that was going around then.)

[xtratabasco]

Ive read alot on AJ trying to find the bad and come up empty handed, but why are you taking this thread off topic. go make your own anti-AJ thread and we can discuss it there. Im up for learning more about him.

[Norse]

If what you believe was true and explosives were used on the towers. Then the towers would've been destroyed in the same way. Explosives put at intervals or on each floor.

So if they were destroyed like that, then it wouldn't have taken an extra 2 seconds for one of them to fall. One was taller than the other yes, but not enough to add 2 seconds to the fall time.

Please tell me what I did wrong. I'm sure you'll find something. As for myself I entirely agree with VT, there wasn't a conspiracy, it's possible that the American government was looking for support for a war they wanted to wage, but they wouldn't have gone that far with it.

If it truly was all Bush's idea then why didn't Osama deny all involvement. Now my history of the subject isn't all that great but I'm pretty sure that, he never said he had nothing to do with 9/11 and I'm pretty sure he took credit for it.

excellent!

Not only a structural engineer but also demolitian expert!

The second tower did take 2 seconds longer to fall, that is a fact.

Cloud the issues as much as you want. If you wish to remain a governmental supporter, who will use and abuse you and your families rights to acheive their little missions, then as far as Im concerned, you are effectively a pre-programmed robot.

I'm actually amazed at how good a job the US government had done in brain-washing you lot.

“Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever"

- Lenin

You are merely a twisted version of the above quote.

[Carebian Knight]

It sounds like your agreeing with me Norse, I said that since the 2nd tower took 2 extra seconds to fall then there is no way that explosives were used. Then your comeback was: But the tower did take 2 extra seconds. That doesn't make sense to me.

[Carebian Knight]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

[Norse]

It sounds like your agreeing with me Norse, I said that since the 2nd tower took 2 extra seconds to fall then there is no way that explosives were used. Then your comeback was: But the tower did take 2 extra seconds. That doesn't make sense to me.

ahh, sorry to misunderstand you there.

[Norse]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

[vtmarik]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

[Norse]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

hahaha...

No evidence to support a claim. Where have you been for the past 7 pages VT? would you like me to copy and paste everything? Or will you just wistfully ignore it all again?

[heavycola]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

hahaha...

No evidence to support a claim. Where have you been for the past 7 pages VT? would you like me to copy and paste everything? Or will you just wistfully ignore it all again?

Wilfully ignored, surely? These malapropisms are getting worse...


OK conspiracy nut fuckwits, listen up.
9/11 was huge. But that doesn't mean the causes had to be huge. It was a bunch of crazy zealots. That's all.
Was it a great pretext for the US to pursue this insane middle-eastern foreign policy? Of course. Politics is all about opportunism.
But it doesn't change the facts, which are:
a) it was al qaeda wot dunnit
b) you need to get out more

[GreecePwns]

Wilfully ignored, surely? These malapropisms are getting worse...


OK conspiracy nut fuckwits, listen up.
9/11 was huge. But that doesn't mean the causes had to be huge. It was a bunch of crazy zealots. That's all.
Was it a great pretext for the US to pursue this insane middle-eastern foreign policy? Of course. Politics is all about opportunism.
But it doesn't change the facts, which are:
a) it was al qaeda wot dunnit
b) you need to get out more

Let's try to get some intelligent, unbiased opinions, unlike this one. There have been plenty, but too many people are like this.

[Norse]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

hahaha...

No evidence to support a claim. Where have you been for the past 7 pages VT? would you like me to copy and paste everything? Or will you just wistfully ignore it all again?

Wilfully ignored, surely? These malapropisms are getting worse...


OK conspiracy nut fuckwits, listen up.
9/11 was huge. But that doesn't mean the causes had to be huge. It was a bunch of crazy zealots. That's all.
Was it a great pretext for the US to pursue this insane middle-eastern foreign policy? Of course. Politics is all about opportunism.
But it doesn't change the facts, which are:
a) it was al qaeda wot dunnit
b) you need to get out more

You can be wistfully ignorant.....it's fucking standard dude.

Now, your opinions are not cutting it im afraid, big boy.

[xtratabasco]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

weve given you the evidence. go back and re-read.

jet fuel (kerosene) dont melt, bend, break, or compromise steel. Hell ive run a kerosene heater for days and days and days and it didnt do nothing but keep the room warm.

so how is it that is can bend over 80 40-48 inch steel beams and bring the buildings down in less than 2 hours, while the sprinklers were going off.


lol your a boot-licking fool.

[GreecePwns]

So just because I refuse to believe that my government killed 4000 of it's own countrymen, when there isn't really any evidence to support it, it means that I've been brainwashed.

In this case, yes.

So when there's no evidence to support a claim, those to disbelieve the claim are cultists and brainwashed?

Guess you can't reason with sufferers of True-Believer Syndrome.

weve given you the evidence. go back and re-read.

jet fuel (kerosene) dont melt, bend, break, or compromise steel. Hell ive run a kerosene heater for days and days and days and it didnt do nothing but keep the room warm.

Buildings have gone hours, sometimes a day without going down in a fire, even WTC 7, which fell on 9/11 from a fire, lasted 20 hours one time before.