Illegal Immigrants...

[muy_thaiguy]

That's not what I'm referring to. Illegal immigrants don't bother to, and don't have the chance to integrate into American culture. They're also on the low end in terms of wealth, put those two together and you have a breeding pool for criminal activity. If the American government wants to stop the social impact the immigrants cause (which they don't, as it distracts voters from real issues), then they should do more to assimilate them.

Well that's just a generalization that's not true of all illegal immigrants. I have a friend who immigrated here and does not have citizenship. His family is from Brazil and the parents speak mainly Portugese, but I consider the kids no less American than I am. I can't imagine any of them doing anything criminal (other than immigrating here if you want to consider that criminal). The fact that they don't have social security numbers and whatnot holds them back but they're actually slightly better off than I am monetarily

The thing of it is, if they legally immagrated, that's one thing, if they snuck across the border, well, that's what this topic is about.

[kwanton]

Well that's the part I'm unsure of. I suspect he immigrated illegally cause the subject magically changes when it's brought up.....

[comic boy]

i agree, maybe browns new goverment will sort this mess out..

Fingers crossed

There is actually very little he can do as he is seriously hindered by the so called 'human rights ' agreement that Blairs mob signed up to.As things stand it is practically impossible to deport anybody back to their country of origin if there is any prospect of them being in danger !!!!!
In practice this means every country that is involved in civil strife or warfare which is pretty much every country that routinely produces the illegal immigrants - catch 22 .

[sam_levi_11]

and how do you know they are telling the truth about where they come from?

[kwanton]

and how do you know they are telling the truth about where they come from?

1. He has no reason to lie about that so I have no reason to disbelieve him. He also happens to be one of the poeple I trust most.

2. I only know of two countries where portugese is widely spoken and that's Portugal and Brazil. He speaks Brazilian Portugese(it sounds different) too fluently for that to be a second language.

3. He lives in a mainly Brazilian community.

So yeah he could be lying about it. But I highly doubt it.

[sam_levi_11]

i meant generally but uv shown some good points like accent and things

[comic boy]

Weren't the settlers who moved into Sovereign Mexican land illegals ?

[umanouski]

mandalorian2298,
Have you ever heard of the phrase "When in rome, do as the romans?" Because that is a huge misunderstanding of how laws are run.

My next problem is this...many ILLEGAL immigrants don't actually want to become Americans. They are just coming here to send money back home, which is not illegal. However, America's streets are paved with gold. Here is a little tidbit of what MEXICO does to illegal immigrants. If you are caught (And if you truly research this and find me wrong, please prove me wrong) they KILL YOU. EXECUTION.

And as for legal immigrants in mexico, you are not allowed to own beachfront property, VOTE (Which you can do here) or even hold a job unless unemployment is almost ZERO. (And that is impossible, unemployment will always hover around 5 percent.) So why should we be listening to Mexico about how our immigration should be? Does anyone see the hypocrasy?

Also, mexican president FOXX said and i quote "It is a mexican's patriotic duty while in America to speak spanish and nothing else.

Next, Mexico is still angry at losing the Mexican-American war and i believe (although im probably being paranoid) they want their territory back. (Nephilim, please explain why im a racist.) Anyone remember the Zimmerman note? Although it was sent by the Germans, it roused a true 50 50 vote in mexico. Besides, that was not that long ago when you look at the annals of history.

Also, about sovereign Mexican land, read your history book. Mexico invited settlers from the US to their land, their only real problem was Slavery. Slavery was abolished in mexico after overthrowing spain.

Lastly, there is actual PROOF, EVIDENCE, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL! That Foxx has been shipping his society scum (Racists, thieves and murderers) to our nation. He's been kicking them out and telling them to come over here.

[umanouski]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say.

you're an idiot......


and a racist......

incidentally, he's not an idiot. He's absolutely right. They came legally because we had next to no immigration laws.

Anyways, here's my stance on immigration-

Yes, illegal immigration is a big problem, and yes, it's causing some serious social and economic issues...

but the trouble I have with people like xtra is that they blame the wrong people. He can cuss out illegal immigrants and use all the racial slurs he wants, but it doesn't make him right- the fact is, most of the immigrants have perfectly good intentions. Most don't have any idea that what they're doing is wrong.

The people to blame are in the government. Both ours and theirs. The Mexican government openly encourages illegal immigration, and ours essentially lets them walk right in.

That being said, can you blame the Mexicans for walking right in? If their own government thinks it's cool and our government doesn't do anything about it, I'd probably immigrate illegally too.

It's not the immigrants' fault, which is why it ticks me off when xtra makes all his "#$&% ALL YOU ILLEGAL B#*NER MOTHER@#*()%&# SONS OF @*(&#ES!" posts. They are GROUNDLESS.

If you're going to attack the problem, attack it where it really lies- the governments of our two nations. Don't take your anger out on the immigrants themselves.

Sorry, but faith in government is wrong. our founding fathers saw government as a necessary evil. It is first and foremost, a evil. What we have to do as a people is stop supporting illegals. Ask for documentation, legality to work and most importantly, a green card, thats why they make em'. Dont hire them off the street, dont (and this is going to sound wrong) don't give them money off the street. That is all i have to say

P.S. i know i double posted, but i got this idea at the spur of the moment.

[Beastly]

Weren't the settlers who moved into Sovereign Mexican land illegals ?

I think they were Spaniards who wiped out a whole Indian nation, of course after they did there breeding with them, making them a Mexican instead of a Spaniard... I could be wrong, but this is what I was taught.

The Spaniards came over and wiped out the Aztecs, I do know that.

Funny thing is that now those same Spaniards, now Mexicans,are pissed because The English, now Americans took Texas, California, and new Mexico, and I think Arizona also.

[OnlyAmbrose]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say.

you're an idiot......


and a racist......

incidentally, he's not an idiot. He's absolutely right. They came legally because we had next to no immigration laws.

Anyways, here's my stance on immigration-

Yes, illegal immigration is a big problem, and yes, it's causing some serious social and economic issues...

but the trouble I have with people like xtra is that they blame the wrong people. He can cuss out illegal immigrants and use all the racial slurs he wants, but it doesn't make him right- the fact is, most of the immigrants have perfectly good intentions. Most don't have any idea that what they're doing is wrong.

The people to blame are in the government. Both ours and theirs. The Mexican government openly encourages illegal immigration, and ours essentially lets them walk right in.

That being said, can you blame the Mexicans for walking right in? If their own government thinks it's cool and our government doesn't do anything about it, I'd probably immigrate illegally too.

It's not the immigrants' fault, which is why it ticks me off when xtra makes all his "#$&% ALL YOU ILLEGAL B#*NER MOTHER@#*()%&# SONS OF @*(&#ES!" posts. They are GROUNDLESS.

If you're going to attack the problem, attack it where it really lies- the governments of our two nations. Don't take your anger out on the immigrants themselves.

Sorry, but faith in government is wrong. our founding fathers saw government as a necessary evil. It is first and foremost, a evil. What we have to do as a people is stop supporting illegals. Ask for documentation, legality to work and most importantly, a green card, thats why they make em'. Dont hire them off the street, dont (and this is going to sound wrong) don't give them money off the street. That is all i have to say

P.S. i know i double posted, but i got this idea at the spur of the moment.

So what do you propose we do? Walk around the street armed with shotguns demanding ID?

This is the 21st century. Companies hire workers with no questions asked because they will work for less than minimum wage. And who do you think is going to keep the companies in check? A mob armed with torches and pitchforks?

Of course not, the government has to enforce laws regarding immigration and hiring illegal immigrants. Trouble is, they don't.

Additionally, you show a poor understanding of the ideals of the founding fathers. The constitution of the United States was established on the idea that national issues, such as those involving foreign policy, are the responsibility of the national government. This is certainly a foreign policy issue.

Finally, you say that we have laws governing immigration, but you don't want the government to do anything about it? What the hell is the use in that? Vigilante justice doesn't work in the 21st century. If there's a federal law, it's up to the federal government to enforce it.

[cawck mongler]

mandalorian2298,
Have you ever heard of the phrase "When in rome, do as the romans?" Because that is a huge misunderstanding of how laws are run.

My next problem is this...many ILLEGAL immigrants don't actually want to become Americans. They are just coming here to send money back home, which is not illegal. However, America's streets are paved with gold. Here is a little tidbit of what MEXICO does to illegal immigrants. If you are caught (And if you truly research this and find me wrong, please prove me wrong) they KILL YOU. EXECUTION.

And as for legal immigrants in mexico, you are not allowed to own beachfront property, VOTE (Which you can do here) or even hold a job unless unemployment is almost ZERO. (And that is impossible, unemployment will always hover around 5 percent.) So why should we be listening to Mexico about how our immigration should be? Does anyone see the hypocrasy?

Also, mexican president FOXX said and i quote "It is a mexican's patriotic duty while in America to speak spanish and nothing else.

Next, Mexico is still angry at losing the Mexican-American war and i believe (although im probably being paranoid) they want their territory back. (Nephilim, please explain why im a racist.) Anyone remember the Zimmerman note? Although it was sent by the Germans, it roused a true 50 50 vote in mexico. Besides, that was not that long ago when you look at the annals of history.

Also, about sovereign Mexican land, read your history book. Mexico invited settlers from the US to their land, their only real problem was Slavery. Slavery was abolished in mexico after overthrowing spain.

Lastly, there is actual PROOF, EVIDENCE, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL! That Foxx has been shipping his society scum (Racists, thieves and murderers) to our nation. He's been kicking them out and telling them to come over here.

Very nice overview of Mexico's immigration policy, but in their defence, its pretty much expected for a country to hate America right now.

Also, George Zimmerman is the founder and CEO of the mens warehouse, don't disrespect him.

[cawck mongler]

OK, i have seen some pretty good arguments from one unnamed person. However, i agree with him and i hope he does not get banned. I dont use racial slurs but the guy has a point. They come here without proper identification and illegally. Commit crimes and steal our tax money. Is it wrong and they should be deported and/or thrown into jail. I recognize that throughout history, immigrants have formed the backbone of American Society. But 99.9% of the time, they came here legally. Please take a moment before calling me a racist or a bigot. Take into account my personal beliefs and the fact that in America you can say what you want to say.

you're an idiot......


and a racist......

incidentally, he's not an idiot. He's absolutely right. They came legally because we had next to no immigration laws.

Anyways, here's my stance on immigration-

Yes, illegal immigration is a big problem, and yes, it's causing some serious social and economic issues...

but the trouble I have with people like xtra is that they blame the wrong people. He can cuss out illegal immigrants and use all the racial slurs he wants, but it doesn't make him right- the fact is, most of the immigrants have perfectly good intentions. Most don't have any idea that what they're doing is wrong.

The people to blame are in the government. Both ours and theirs. The Mexican government openly encourages illegal immigration, and ours essentially lets them walk right in.

That being said, can you blame the Mexicans for walking right in? If their own government thinks it's cool and our government doesn't do anything about it, I'd probably immigrate illegally too.

It's not the immigrants' fault, which is why it ticks me off when xtra makes all his "#$&% ALL YOU ILLEGAL B#*NER MOTHER@#*()%&# SONS OF @*(&#ES!" posts. They are GROUNDLESS.

If you're going to attack the problem, attack it where it really lies- the governments of our two nations. Don't take your anger out on the immigrants themselves.

Sorry, but faith in government is wrong. our founding fathers saw government as a necessary evil. It is first and foremost, a evil. What we have to do as a people is stop supporting illegals. Ask for documentation, legality to work and most importantly, a green card, thats why they make em'. Dont hire them off the street, dont (and this is going to sound wrong) don't give them money off the street. That is all i have to say

P.S. i know i double posted, but i got this idea at the spur of the moment.

So what do you propose we do? Walk around the street armed with shotguns demanding ID?

This is the 21st century. Companies hire workers with no questions asked because they will work for less than minimum wage. And who do you think is going to keep the companies in check? A mob armed with torches and pitchforks?

Of course not, the government has to enforce laws regarding immigration and hiring illegal immigrants. Trouble is, they don't.

Additionally, you show a poor understanding of the ideals of the founding fathers. The constitution of the United States was established on the idea that national issues, such as those involving foreign policy, are the responsibility of the national government. This is certainly a foreign policy issue.

Finally, you say that we have laws governing immigration, but you don't want the government to do anything about it? What the hell is the use in that? Vigilante justice doesn't work in the 21st century. If there's a federal law, it's up to the federal government to enforce it.

The founding fathers didn't have ideals, for the most part. They were the elite colonial style aristocracy at the time and they just wanted more power. Proof, well look it up, but a little while after gaining independence, they actually tried to take away peoples right to vote.

[muy_thaiguy]

mandalorian2298,
Have you ever heard of the phrase "When in rome, do as the romans?" Because that is a huge misunderstanding of how laws are run.

My next problem is this...many ILLEGAL immigrants don't actually want to become Americans. They are just coming here to send money back home, which is not illegal. However, America's streets are paved with gold. Here is a little tidbit of what MEXICO does to illegal immigrants. If you are caught (And if you truly research this and find me wrong, please prove me wrong) they KILL YOU. EXECUTION.

And as for legal immigrants in mexico, you are not allowed to own beachfront property, VOTE (Which you can do here) or even hold a job unless unemployment is almost ZERO. (And that is impossible, unemployment will always hover around 5 percent.) So why should we be listening to Mexico about how our immigration should be? Does anyone see the hypocrasy?

Also, mexican president FOXX said and i quote "It is a mexican's patriotic duty while in America to speak spanish and nothing else.

Next, Mexico is still angry at losing the Mexican-American war and i believe (although im probably being paranoid) they want their territory back. (Nephilim, please explain why im a racist.) Anyone remember the Zimmerman note? Although it was sent by the Germans, it roused a true 50 50 vote in mexico. Besides, that was not that long ago when you look at the annals of history.

Also, about sovereign Mexican land, read your history book. Mexico invited settlers from the US to their land, their only real problem was Slavery. Slavery was abolished in mexico after overthrowing spain.

Lastly, there is actual PROOF, EVIDENCE, CALL IT WHAT YOU WILL! That Foxx has been shipping his society scum (Racists, thieves and murderers) to our nation. He's been kicking them out and telling them to come over here.

Check out the Yahoo! Answers Politics section, you'll see plenty of border hoppers claiming they will take the US back over. It gets to be real annoying.

[kwanton]

The founding fathers didn't have ideals, for the most part. They were the elite colonial style aristocracy at the time and they just wanted more power. Proof, well look it up, but a little while after gaining independence, they actually tried to take away peoples right to vote.

Not really. They really had no power before independence. There's a misconception of a bunch of aristocrats sitting in a mansion drafting our government with no input from the people. The Constitution was actually conceived in local pubs by Jefferson and the rest(yay AP government class!). And the current Constitution isn't even their original dream of our nation. It's a revision of the first failed government (the articles of the confederation). So what we have now isn't completely what the founding father's intended, especially the part about taking away people's vote. The original government that they drew up actually relied too much on voting and they couldn't get the states or the people to agree on anything and that's why it failed.

Anyway enough of the history lesson, on to current events.... I don't know much about the Mexican government's conspiracy to invade us with immigrants and whatnot but to say that the immigrants are not assimilating into our culture is a gross generalization. I think what immigrants are doing is much more innocent than revenge for the Mexican/American war. Sure the fact that immigrants send money back to their families is not helping our economy, and even hurting it, is bad. But look at it long term. It's helping the economies of poorer nations which is the root of the immigration problem. In the long term this may actually help us. The far right republican standpoint is too myopic IMO. Tunnel vision is not a good thing....

[jay_a2j]

But illegal imigrants are illegal only by the laws of the country in wich they came. Since they are not citicens of that country, but of one from wich they came, whose laws do not forbid them from leaving it; they are not criminals.

That has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. So, if a Mexican came to the US and killed someone he should not be prosecuted under US law? It is illegal in this country to murder.....it is also illegal in this country to come here without going though immigration proceedings.


When you are in a foreign country you follow their laws, plain and simple.

[Neutrino]

Illegal immigrants don't bother to, and don't have the chance to integrate into American culture.

Please forgive me if I interpreted this wrong, but
Absence of American culture = crime?

That has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. So, if a Mexican came to the US and killed someone he should not be prosecuted under US law? It is illegal in this country to murder.....it is also illegal in this country to come here without going though immigration proceedings.


When you are in a foreign country you follow their laws, plain and simple.

Why is it that you and your family allowed to reap the benifits of living in 'the greatest nation on earth' ( ) simply because you had the good fortune to be born on the richer side of the fence? What special trait, making you a much better person and much more worthy to live in 'the greatest nation on Earth', do you spontaneously gain from being born in America?

[b.k. barunt]

The main point of the whole deal is why we have so many illegals. Is it because we're unable to stop them? A moron would say yes. Look at our history. Every wave of immigration was preceded by a need for cheap labor. Italians, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, etc. - all brought in to keep that old minimum wage down. You want to stop the illegals? Start levying fines against whoever hires them. If there are no jobs for them we won't even need a freakin border patrol! But folks, that's not going to happen, because Georgie Boy wants them here. End of story.

[AlgyTaylor]

I don't think there should be such a thing as illegal immigrants.

It's capitalism innit .... free movement of goods and labour. If capitalist countries stuck to their capitalist principles, there'd be little wrong with capitalism. It only falls down because the greedy try to restrict the choice of the needy.

[mandalorian2298]

mandalorian2298,
Have you ever heard of the phrase "When in rome, do as the romans?" Because that is a huge misunderstanding of how laws are run.

So, you are saying that one should always act acording to the laws, customs and values of the country he is in. The problem with this view (cultural relativism of actions) is that it fails to take into account the need for change within a culture. For instance, had USA's Founding Fathers acted in a way that you advocate, USA would still be a English Colony, run by english laws. Actually, since your position forbids conquering other cultures (unless you are fortunate enough to find a culture who's laws invite other nations to invade their land ) you would now live in a land populated mostly by Indians. Since avarage Mexican's genotype has more in common with the Indian's then does that of an avarage American, Mexican's presence in USA is a lesser breaking of "When in Rome do like the Romans do" rule, than that of an avarage Americans.

[comic boy]

The main point of the whole deal is why we have so many illegals. Is it because we're unable to stop them? A moron would say yes. Look at our history. Every wave of immigration was preceded by a need for cheap labor. Italians, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, etc. - all brought in to keep that old minimum wage down. You want to stop the illegals? Start levying fines against whoever hires them. If there are no jobs for them we won't even need a freakin border patrol! But folks, that's not going to happen, because Georgie Boy wants them here. End of story.

That is absolutely the point!
I might add that every new wave of immigrants become the new scapegoats for all the ills and disapointments of the resident population.
As for crime it is driven by poverty and circumstance and not where one was born,legalize a million more immigrants and pay them a living wage and the crime rate will no doubt fall sharply.

[jay_a2j]

That has to be one of the dumbest statements I've ever heard. So, if a Mexican came to the US and killed someone he should not be prosecuted under US law? It is illegal in this country to murder.....it is also illegal in this country to come here without going though immigration proceedings.


When you are in a foreign country you follow their laws, plain and simple.

Why is it that you and your family allowed to reap the benifits of living in 'the greatest nation on earth' ( ) simply because you had the good fortune to be born on the richer side of the fence? What special trait, making you a much better person and much more worthy to live in 'the greatest nation on Earth', do you spontaneously gain from being born in America?

I wasn't born in the US, I was born in Germany. Law abiding people come here legally. Should we have planes flying around the world picking up those who wish to live in the US? Common sense would do really well here. Everyone who wants to come here can't. Yeah, I guess its the luck of the draw that I wasn't born in Ethiopia.

[OnlyAmbrose]

But folks, that's not going to happen, because Georgie Boy wants them here. End of story.

Exactly. You can't blame the Mexicans themselves for what they're doing when the higher-ups on both sides of the border think it's ok for them to just walk on in.

gah im gonna be late write more later

[kwanton]

The main point of the whole deal is why we have so many illegals. Is it because we're unable to stop them? A moron would say yes. Look at our history. Every wave of immigration was preceded by a need for cheap labor. Italians, Irish, Chinese, Japanese, Mexicans, etc. - all brought in to keep that old minimum wage down. You want to stop the illegals? Start levying fines against whoever hires them. If there are no jobs for them we won't even need a freakin border patrol! But folks, that's not going to happen, because Georgie Boy wants them here. End of story.

There are already laws against hiring "illegal" immigrants and fines are imposed for doing so. That system doesn't work now and it wouldn't work if more fines were imposed. Think about it. With the situation our current government is in, it would take them possibly years to find everyone who is hiring illegal immigrants. And they get a fine of a few thousand dollars maybe? Well if a business hires several illegal immigrants at minimum wage over a couple years even, they're saving more than enough to cover the resonable fine that would be imposed. And either way you get people who think they can outwit the law. The chair doesn't stop murders. There will always be people to hire and there will always be jobs for illegal immigrants.

The only way to solve this quickly is to help the economic situation in poorer and developing countries. Unless there's some sort of catastrophe, their economy will slowly rise itself, but if the U.S. and other powers helped, then it would make things much faster.

[comic boy]

Hilaryous

The vast majority of criminals in the United States are legal citizens,the vast majority of illegal immigrants will commit no crime other than crossing the border. Anybody who suggests the 2 automatically go together is simply displaying their prejudice rather than a true grasp of the facts.