What's the greatest tragedy in history?

[Jehan]

can you quantify in any way the suffering of the environment??
i'm very interested if you can, i had a friend who when he was about your age had the same opinion, he kinda has changed though, people can suffer, and their pain is something we can relate to, i just cant compare the suffering of the natural earth to that of the people on it.

[Skittles!]

can you quantify in any way the suffering of the environment??
i'm very interested if you can, i had a friend who when he was about your age had the same opinion, he kinda has changed though, people can suffer, and their pain is something we can relate to, i just cant compare the suffering of the natural earth to that of the people on it.

Caused by Human interaction, many things have gone wrong with the way nature has changed during history. Let's see; pollution slowing the Jordan River stopping water getting to Dead Sea which is now drying up, when once it was full.

Animals, like the Tasmania Tiger, had it's history cut short from humans.

Okay; i give up. i got nothing. probably off topic but whatever.

[waradmiral]

In my mind a tragedy is an occurrence that had no overriding motive.

Events such as the Rape of Nanking and Pearl Harbor are not tragedies, but are rather acts of savagery and murder.

A car skidding off the road and sinking to the bottom of a river is a tragedy. A car being driven off the road intentionally to kill its occupant(s) is murder.

what would the make ted kennedy

[waradmiral]

Americas very lucky rise to power. They have killed millions of people directly and indirectly through their actions, and the ignorance of a country which is so powerful is so dangerous. A lot of things they have done in the past have been terrible, they are doing terrible things at the moment, and this will probably continue on until the near future at least.

we won't talk about all thosse un pleasant moments from british history:

neville chamberlin and his "apeasement" of hitler

charles travelyn and the irish potato famine

the anglo zulu war.

opium traders in china.

i'm not trying to start this whole thing back up again. i'm just trying to put it in prespective. you all wanna put down the us but not one of you wants to talk about your own skelatons.

none of that is relavant america is a horrible place full of barbaric ogers who kill indians and pollute the earth.

[NOHIBBERTNO]

French people

[muy_thaiguy]

French people

I already said that! Then again, it is true. A few decent Frenchmen, but not very many.

[luns101]

French people

Nice one...

[Fo Sho]

I was wondering... do europeans hate french people too? or is it just americans?

[luns101]

I was wondering... do europeans hate french people too? or is it just americans?

I remember when I went to see THE MATRIX RELOADED and there was this French character in the movie (this was in San Diego). The entire theater started booing and cursing. Very funny scene.

Interesting that the mayor of Paris recently had to remind his people to be more polite towards tourists. I don't think it's French people in general.

[Titanic]

America not joining WWII in 1939? Could have stopped the holocaust altogether, and saved the lives of many more people.

Greatest tragedy if you look past humankind is the treatment of animals and the environment in the 20th century. Made so many different species extinct, and destroyed so much land, including the rainforests, as well as global warming and damaging the ozone layer (although that is better now then in was a decade ago).

[radiojake]

Hmmm, worst tragedy in history; probably the rise of Capitalism.

The emphasis placed on personal wealth and greed by Capitalism has certainly done almost incalcuable damage to native cultures and environments, the world over.
Although humanity advanced very quickly, technologicaly under Capitalism, this great pyramid of knowledge is built on the suffering of the underclasses and the exploitation of native peoples and their resources.

Hit the nail on the head

[muy_thaiguy]

Hmmm, worst tragedy in history; probably the rise of Capitalism.

The emphasis placed on personal wealth and greed by Capitalism has certainly done almost incalcuable damage to native cultures and environments, the world over.
Although humanity advanced very quickly, technologicaly under Capitalism, this great pyramid of knowledge is built on the suffering of the underclasses and the exploitation of native peoples and their resources.

Hit the nail on the head

Beg to differ on that one.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/07/wstal07.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/12/07/ixworld.html
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006663
http://www.autentico.org/oa09347.php

Least of which is that what the government says, goes, no matter what. No freedom, no culture, all have have the same views, and well over 40 million deaths.

[radiojake]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

[Skittles!]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

I'm liking the way you think more and more.

[radiojake]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

I'm liking the way you think more and more.

Haha, nothing like an internet message board to find out people's idea's and theories --

[Skittles!]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

I'm liking the way you think more and more.

Haha, nothing like an internet message board to find out people's idea's and theories --

Agreed.

[areyouincahoots]

the greatest tradgedy in history?

the swan dress that chick wore to a red carpet event a few years ago.



that...or the holocaust.

[Jenos Ridan]

Looks familiar........


Bjork, I think?

[littleM]

we won't talk about all thosse un pleasant moments from british history:

neville chamberlin and his "apeasement" of hitler

charles travelyn and the irish potato famine

the anglo zulu war.

opium traders in china.

i'm not trying to start this whole thing back up again. i'm just trying to put it in prespective. you all wanna put down the us but not one of you wants to talk about your own skelatons.

none of that is relavant america is a horrible place full of barbaric ogers who kill indians and pollute the earth.

All of that is relevant, of course. I could add to the list and a similar one could be made for every other nation. We all have skeletons and should be aware of them. The issue I have with the USA is that a lot of you think you are God's send to save the world. Just be more critical towards your government and we'll get along fine.

The use of a-bombs had nothing to do with the winning of WW2 against the Japan. It helped no more than shortening the capitulation talks. No one was going to die while conquering the Japan mainland.

[muy_thaiguy]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

I'm liking the way you think more and more.

Haha, nothing like an internet message board to find out people's idea's and theories --

Agreed.

Hate to break this to you guys, but The People's Republic of China is Communist with only a little Capitalism.

[Neutrino]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

I'm liking the way you think more and more.

Haha, nothing like an internet message board to find out people's idea's and theories --

Agreed.

Hate to break this to you guys, but The People's Republic of China is Communist with only a little Capitalism.

Actually, much like the Soviet Union, it is Capitalism-on-steroids/dictatorship.
You get a super-wealthy, super-elite upper class and a super-poor working class. This is what Capitalism with eventually do, but, as you can see, both China and the USSR's Dictatorship/Communism beat you too it.

[muy_thaiguy]

You know just because I don't like capitalism doesn't mean that I'm a communist

Also, capitalism is just as oppressive as communism, it just isn't oppressing YOU. Why don't you go to some NIKE sweatshops in Asia and see how much freedom capitalism creates

I'm liking the way you think more and more.

Haha, nothing like an internet message board to find out people's idea's and theories --

Agreed.

Hate to break this to you guys, but The People's Republic of China is Communist with only a little Capitalism.

Actually, much like the Soviet Union, it is Capitalism-on-steroids/dictatorship.
You get a super-wealthy, super-elite upper class and a super-poor working class. This is what Capitalism with eventually do, but, as you can see, both China and the USSR's Dictatorship/Communism beat you too it.

Changing my top 5 a bit,
1. Communism
2. Holocaust
3. the French
4. complete idiots
5. people that think that Communism is possible and is better then Capitalism

[luns101]

Changing my top 5 a bit,
1. Communism
2. Holocaust
3. the French
4. complete idiots
5. people that think that Communism is possible and is better then Capitalism

I especially like your #5!

[muy_thaiguy]

Changing my top 5 a bit,
1. Communism
2. Holocaust
3. the French
4. complete idiots
5. people that think that Communism is possible and is better then Capitalism

I especially like your #5!

Woohooo!

[luns101]

Neutrino,

I would like to ask you a serious question. Were there circumstances in your life that lead you to adopt your current beliefs (i.e. - did you witness people personally getting screwed over by companies/rich people)? Did you read some communist literature which you agreed with? Was it some combination of the two? Just curious.