Black Metal Mafia - SCUM WINS

by **jfm10** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:26 am

strike wolf wrote:That's all you have to say JFM?

I have actually said a lot. If I have to type it again it just means that few are reading posts.

by **strike wolf** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 7:26 am

I'm mostly in agreement with Son!c. I'll add that one of the Scum tells I remember for Loose is that he tends to be more wishy washy as scum than he is as town. His vote jumps around more in general when he's scum.

by **Loose Canon** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:13 am

There is Text, Subtext and Context.

Context in this game right now consists of;
1. Town powers are weaker in a semiopen game, may actually be very weak if no recruit, and so won't solve everything for town in thuis game and may solve nothing.
2. Players past types of play by player is relevant context for consideration

Context in this game right now, DOES NOT consist of;
A. If a player later flips scum, another player is likely to be X
B. Speculating that a player is likely to be a certain musician and if so that is indicative of alignment when Rag has said flavour is purely flavour.

But arguing a contrary position on A and B may be a subtext of scumminess.

And when I look at the stronger players and maybe all, I doubt they would slip on Text alone this early on.
Therefore I've been trying to probe mainly on what I think a players subtext may be.
In doing so I may miss some text - such as Pixars logical alignment day 1 - but maybe more.
And of course I can be interpreting subtext incorrectly.

by **Loose Canon** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:27 am

Oh and by the way I'm interpretting the spat between Sonic and JFM as probably irrelevant in terms of Text, but maybe serving as a useful diversionary subtext from sonic.

(And if all this is too deep for you, you probably won't properly appreciate my music either.)

by **SoN!c** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 11:25 am

Unvote vote JFM

by **Maxleod** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:48 pm

SoN!c wrote:Unvote vote JFM

That's pink, not red.

I still want kong dead, and I still think charle's first post was a scum slip, but f*ck it, maybe we'll learn a few things.

Vote jfm

by **jfm10** on Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:15 pm

sonic and kong are the scum , good luck town.

by **Ragian** on Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:56 am

THAT'S A LYNCH!

jfm (6) - kong, strike, EW, Charle, son!c, Max JFM HAS BEEN LYNCHED
Son!c (1) - jfm
Max (1) - Loose

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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by **Ragian** on Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:10 am

It had been a great tour, and ending it in Oslo would be the dream of any black metal band. There had been a few altercations, however. "Surely, the others need to fall in line for the next album," he thought to himself. "After all, I'm the one doing all the work. I can't believe that the others can't see and respect my genius." Thus uplifted, he trundled off the main road and onto the alleyway leading to the hostel. It wasn't as if black metal gigs paid a huge sum.

Suddently, he heard commotion behind him. "Was it you?" Before he was able to reply, six people were over him, slipping the noose around his neck and hoisting him up to hang. Between the choking, you could hear him whisper, "Tyrants..."

Abbath of Immortal (jfm10) and vanilla townie has been lynched.

While a black metal legend, he is also comic relief. Give this video 30 seconds and wait for him to run back down the hill. The face paint makes it even more hilarious.

It is now night!

by **Ragian** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:19 am

Night scene

"What is going on here in Oslo", he thought to himself as he pondered the recent disappearances of friends and, with deep regret, recalled what they had done just hours before. Surely, the police would be looking for him now. Church burnings were one thing - not that he had ever performed such a feat, bu they looked cool - another thing was taking a life. But then again, Abbath had talked so much BS that it seemed obvious that he was the enemy within.

"Where do I look for help when the law is on my case?" he mused. Then, again, he thought of church burnings. He knew whom he could contact who had had some experience with navigating on the wrong side of the law. He turned round, heading for Schweigaards Gate 56.

His key still worked. Who was even managing this these days? He ventured down the stairs to the basement and was baffled by the sight. "What are you guys doing? What is that?" He barely uttered the words before he was attacked and slain.

Frost of Satyricon (strike wolf) and vanilla townie has been killed.

by **Ragian** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:22 am

It is now Day 3

I'll reiterate that if you do not post for two real life days in a row, you a liable to replacement and modkill.

by **Loose Canon** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:16 am

4 town down all vanilla, looking like no recruit now from where I'm sitting.

Gonna place an early vote on who I now suspect most.

vote extreme ways

by **Charle** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:32 am

I think I am going with jfm's gut feel for now and test the water.

Vote Kong

by **Devante** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:08 pm

Charle wrote:I think I am going with jfm's gut feel for now and test the water.

Vote Kong

Not sure I like how Max hammered at the end there but gonna follow suit here with JFM

VOTE KONG

by **Ragian** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:29 pm

Official vote count

EW (1) - Loose
Kong (2) - Charle, Devante

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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by **TrafalgarLaw01** on Mon Jan 27, 2025 8:11 pm

Wow what happened here?

4 vanilla dead, so that is kinda good for town???? Maybe we have some info.

I'm suspicius on kong as well.

Anything to say?

by **Charle** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:35 am

TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Wow what happened here?

4 vanilla dead, so that is kinda good for town???? Maybe we have some info.

Yes, I agree. It seems that the chances are high that scum did not recruit on N0. If they did recruit, there would have been 5 town left which include 2 jailkeepers and a cop. If we had a cop, he should have given us some info by now, as we have 2 jailkeepers that can protect him. The result of 4 dead vanilla and no cop info on D3, means that we very possible have 2 scum.

by **Maxleod** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 2:47 am

Charle wrote:
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Wow what happened here?

4 vanilla dead, so that is kinda good for town???? Maybe we have some info.

Yes, I agree. It seems that the chances are high that scum did not recruit on N0. If they did recruit, there would have been 5 town left which include 2 jailkeepers and a cop. If we had a cop, he should have given us some info by now, as we have 2 jailkeepers that can protect him. The result of 4 dead vanilla and no cop info on D3, means that we very possible have 2 scum.

SCUM ALERT :twisted:

Unvote

Vote Charle

by **Extreme Ways** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:56 am

Charle wrote:
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Wow what happened here?

4 vanilla dead, so that is kinda good for town???? Maybe we have some info.

Yes, I agree. It seems that the chances are high that scum did not recruit on N0. If they did recruit, there would have been 5 town left which include 2 jailkeepers and a cop. If we had a cop, he should have given us some info by now, as we have 2 jailkeepers that can protect him. The result of 4 dead vanilla and no cop info on D3, means that we very possible have 2 scum.

I'm not entirely sure. In a 3 pr setup, it is quite likely that the cop does not have a lot of info.

I do think it is more likely than not given that we have only had vanilla people flip.

vote loose canon right back at ya buddy.

You seem to think that we live in a world with only 1 pr, as well as think that scum EW would then kill strike, putting only more suspicion on himself? I dont see how those are congruent.

+ everything I said yesterday

by **Loose Canon** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:27 pm

Extreme, from where I'm sitting with the probability of no recruit having increased substantially with 4 flips no PRs, I'm looking at;

1. Who would have had the balls not to recruit, and be able to carry the argument with a teammate not to recruit.
2. You were moderately helpful (I think) D1 and I remember the helpful EW = scum EW thing.
3. You shifted the would you have and if so who would you have recruited question on D1 to 'I'm not so sure - I (you) might have recruited someone like Max'
ie giving the impression you would have recruited.
But also its possible that the whole Max thing is you and Max were paired from the outset and this was your idea of dressing up as a rockstar with a hot air guitar.

Are you too obvious, are you being framed by the kill on Strike - maybe/maybe not?
But that's why my vote is on you.

Traf is bugging me a bit too though PARTICULARLY IF (but just not IF) no recruit. I can't remember if it was Traf or someone else who said to me in an earlier game that one of his favourite game set ups was when there are no PRs. If it was Traf then Traf is firmly in the frame as a no recruit player. Honestly just not sure if it was Traf though???

by **Charle** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:25 pm

Maxleod wrote:
Charle wrote:
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Wow what happened here?

4 vanilla dead, so that is kinda good for town???? Maybe we have some info.

Yes, I agree. It seems that the chances are high that scum did not recruit on N0. If they did recruit, there would have been 5 town left which include 2 jailkeepers and a cop. If we had a cop, he should have given us some info by now, as we have 2 jailkeepers that can protect him. The result of 4 dead vanilla and no cop info on D3, means that we very possible have 2 scum.

SCUM ALERT

Unvote

Vote Charle

WTF are you on about? Probably the worst scum partner I ever had and hopefulle will ever have, but really, I need some of the stuff you mothers are smoking in Netherlands!!

by **Loose Canon** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:50 pm

I know max didn't try a kill when it was open to him Charle.

Leaving that aside could max be scumdumb voting for you at this stage?
Could max actually be playing scumdumb voting for you at this stage- could it be he's scum voting for you to sorta show you/double bluff?

Only you have insight as to whether max as scum could be thinking what he is thinking of as cunning schemes.

Charle you have to tell us where you think max might currently be at as scum, because town cannot discount max.

by **Extreme Ways** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:10 pm

Loose Canon wrote:Extreme, from where I'm sitting with the probability of no recruit having increased substantially with 4 flips no PRs, I'm looking at;

1. Who would have had the balls not to recruit, and be able to carry the argument with a teammate not to recruit.
2. You were moderately helpful (I think) D1 and I remember the helpful EW = scum EW thing.
3. You shifted the would you have and if so who would you have recruited question on D1 to 'I'm not so sure - I (you) might have recruited someone like Max'
ie giving the impression you would have recruited.
But also its possible that the whole Max thing is you and Max were paired from the outset and this was your idea of dressing up as a rockstar with a hot air guitar.

Are you too obvious, are you being framed by the kill on Strike - maybe/maybe not?
But that's why my vote is on you.

Traf is bugging me a bit too though PARTICULARLY IF (but just not IF) no recruit. I can't remember if it was Traf or someone else who said to me in an earlier game that one of his favourite game set ups was when there are no PRs. If it was Traf then Traf is firmly in the frame as a no recruit player. Honestly just not sure if it was Traf though???

On a site where town tends to rely on power roles a lot, if you decide to recruit you need to make sure you have someone carrying the night kill who will not be roleblocked AND have skill in figuring out who the prs may be. I'm not sure what I said day 1 but if I am scum here whether I recruit or not really depends on my teammate. I dont expect to live any game till the end on this site because people will grow paranoid of me being alive, or I get nightkilled. I may have been jailkept, I dont know.

For the other part.. that's what jfm said, but like I said back then: town EW is usually more helpful than scum EW. DDS role madness 2 shows that for example.

by **Loose Canon** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:06 pm

A scum Ew would have to either deal with a town strike at some point, or risk leaving a town strike in the game at the end. I'd contend that a scum Ew would figure better n2 with 3 town already down, than wait, particularly if a scum Ew had a ready cooked excuse of strike elimination just throws suspicion on me.
Also a scum Ew would be the most obvious investigation target for a detective so a scum Ew has the most disincentive to recruit.

We are talking hypothetically about a scum Ew though aren't we?

by **Extreme Ways** on Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:57 pm

Loose Canon wrote:A scum Ew would have to either deal with a town strike at some point, or risk leaving a town strike in the game at the end. I'd contend that a scum Ew would figure better n2 with 3 town already down, than wait, particularly if a scum Ew had a ready cooked excuse of strike elimination just throws suspicion on me.
Also a scum Ew would be the most obvious investigation target for a detective so a scum Ew has the most disincentive to recruit.

We are talking hypothetically about a scum Ew though aren't we?

I didnt particularly townread strike but strike was not really doing anything in this game. The real question especially if we are in a no-recruit game is why Charle is still alive

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