Israel.... For or Against?

Banana Stomper · Post by **Banana Stomper** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:17 pm

Caleb the Cruel wrote:
2dimes wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:
yeah, so they will be christians not jews, although they are from the 12 tribes
You have a fancy bible with Romans 10:12 missing? You may wish to re-read 2:10 also.

well it seems to me that you seem to have forgotten revelations chapter 7 where it talks of the 144,000 who will be saved... and you also seemed to have not read all of your beloved book of romans....maybe you should look at the entire book of romans before you begin making remarks

I thought you didn't read.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:41 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Do you think Gods wants his people divided?

no, God did not want christians divided, denominations are man-made, they were not created by God, He gave us the Bible and man interpreted it in different ways although only one way is exact, which is God's way... as I said He has knowledge beyond our understanding... I am a member of a Lutheran church...This church is LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod)...I like lcms the best, it is very scripture-based...there are also elca (evangelical lutheran church of america) and wels (wisconsin evangelical lutheran synod) and there are several smaller synods of lutheranism around the u.s. and around the world...lutherans as a whole believe mostly the same thing, however wels is too conservative and elca is too liberal, lcms fits me just right... i prefer lcms congregations with pastors from the saint louis seminary, although fort wayne graduates are not terrible, they tend to be killing congregations and teaching absurd things....

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:42 pm

Banana Stomper wrote:I thought you didn't read.

if you would read the post correctly, i said MOST books

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:12 am

Yep, denominations believe different things. I guess people have different tastes. I went to Army chapels growing up. They were kinda Methodist-like. And that was ok for a time. I went to an Assemblies Of God and knew there was more. So I've been penacostal ever since. I like preaching that is not comprimised but loud and exciting. (like John Hagee) But I have a friend who goes to a Methodist church because he likes it better. To each his own I guess. What really matters is the relationship we have with God.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:14 am

jay_a2j wrote:What really matters is the relationship we have with God.

But jay i thought we had established that god doesn't exist. You;re so damn fickle.

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:02 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: Find me a perfect denomination and I'll join. Until then, non-denomination works for me.

well...what have you tried?...and of course keep in mind there will never be a person nor a denomination that is fully perfect, as God has knowledge beyond all human understanding

I've been to many churches of denomination. This one lack this while the other lacks that. Went to AOG for a time and decided that being a Christian shouldn't be constant feeling bad for your sin. That along with their belief that unless you speak in tounges you are not spirit filled. Give me a break. Church of the Nazareen does not believe in the gifts of the spirit. NEXT! The church should be united anyways (and not United Universal Church). Do you think Gods wants his people divided?

I was mormon then I realized taht was shit and went non denominational for a while.. I found the perfect denomination though. Universal Life Church.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:38 am

reverend_kyle wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: Find me a perfect denomination and I'll join. Until then, non-denomination works for me.

well...what have you tried?...and of course keep in mind there will never be a person nor a denomination that is fully perfect, as God has knowledge beyond all human understanding

I've been to many churches of denomination. This one lack this while the other lacks that. Went to AOG for a time and decided that being a Christian shouldn't be constant feeling bad for your sin. That along with their belief that unless you speak in tounges you are not spirit filled. Give me a break. Church of the Nazareen does not believe in the gifts of the spirit. NEXT! The church should be united anyways (and not United Universal Church). Do you think Gods wants his people divided?

I was mormon then I realized taht was shit and went non denominational for a while.. I found the perfect denomination though. Universal Life Church.

Where everyone goes to Heaven? Thanks, but I'll pass. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:39 am

heavycola wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:What really matters is the relationship we have with God.

But jay i thought we had established that god doesn't exist. You;re so damn fickle.

We established no such thing. :wink:

sportsdd2 · Post by **sportsdd2** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:06 am

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:43 pm

http://www.atruechurch.info/hagee.html
i have not read all of the accusations, that are listed on this page, of john hagee's false teachings, however you may be interested
and as i have not read them and do not watch his show, i am impartial to john hagee, however he may have some misteachings
i do not like to go to a church and have one of the major reasons i go there as 'loud and exciting'
that is making the church about me and what i want, not focusing on what God wants

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:46 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:I was mormon then I realized taht was shit and went non denominational for a while.. I found the perfect denomination though. Universal Life Church.

That's pretty funny right there. So like you took the priesthoods with you right?

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:28 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: Find me a perfect denomination and I'll join. Until then, non-denomination works for me.

well...what have you tried?...and of course keep in mind there will never be a person nor a denomination that is fully perfect, as God has knowledge beyond all human understanding

I've been to many churches of denomination. This one lack this while the other lacks that. Went to AOG for a time and decided that being a Christian shouldn't be constant feeling bad for your sin. That along with their belief that unless you speak in tounges you are not spirit filled. Give me a break. Church of the Nazareen does not believe in the gifts of the spirit. NEXT! The church should be united anyways (and not United Universal Church). Do you think Gods wants his people divided?

I was mormon then I realized taht was shit and went non denominational for a while.. I found the perfect denomination though. Universal Life Church.

Where everyone goes to Heaven? Thanks, but I'll pass. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

NO where those who respect others religions and do that which is right go to heaven.. obviously you havent researched my religion much.

Kenny_Smooth · Post by **Kenny_Smooth** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:59 pm

yeah i do. they've taken crap forever and now their sick of it.

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Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:19 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:NO where those who respect others religions and do that which is right go to heaven.. obviously you havent researched my religion much.

WHAT? why do you think that people who respect every religion goes to heavan? i've never read that anywhere...not in the torah, not in the bible, not in the quran... what is your book of teaching called?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:48 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Caleb the Cruel wrote:
jay_a2j wrote: Find me a perfect denomination and I'll join. Until then, non-denomination works for me.

well...what have you tried?...and of course keep in mind there will never be a person nor a denomination that is fully perfect, as God has knowledge beyond all human understanding

I've been to many churches of denomination. This one lack this while the other lacks that. Went to AOG for a time and decided that being a Christian shouldn't be constant feeling bad for your sin. That along with their belief that unless you speak in tounges you are not spirit filled. Give me a break. Church of the Nazareen does not believe in the gifts of the spirit. NEXT! The church should be united anyways (and not United Universal Church). Do you think Gods wants his people divided?

I was mormon then I realized taht was shit and went non denominational for a while.. I found the perfect denomination though. Universal Life Church.

Where everyone goes to Heaven? Thanks, but I'll pass. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me."

NO where those who respect others religions and do that which is right go to heaven.. obviously you havent researched my religion much.

"Those that do that which is right"?? No one is Good but God. We cannot earn salvation through "good works". Obviously your religion hasn't researched the Bible much. :wink:

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:10 pm

Getting swiftly back on topic.... :roll:

I don't support Israel. Israel does as much shit wrong as the Palestinians do. For every Israel-begun cease fire, there has been a palestinian-originated cease fire that Israel breaks every time. It's nothing but retribution after retribution. Every time one side puts down their guns, the other side makes them take their arms up again.

Israel is just as brutal and cavalier about killing and murder as the muslims that we are supposedly protecting them against. That is why the palestinans don't like our supporting Israel. We're turning a blind eye to the atrocities from the Jewish side of the conflict whilst wagging a finger at the Muslim side.

The best thing that the US can do to ensure some kind of peace in the Middle east would be to withdraw support from Israel and tell both sides that they better straighten up and fly right or we won't help either of them. While we aren't necessarily the only superpower still remaining in the world, who is going to support only one side when we stop doing it?

Oh, Kyle and Jay, you're both wrong. It doesn't matter what you have faith in, just that you have faith. Thomas said "If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain 'move from here to there' and it shall. Nothing shall be impossible for you." I have faith that heaven exists and that God or Jesus aren't as petty as Jay would have you believe. However, Kyle, perpetuating this argument when the facts are perfectly clear serves no purpose. Stop feeding the trolls and just cross the bridge. If Jay chooses to subscribe to his narrow view of God's love then that's his own thing. When he gets to heaven and sees people like you and me there, we can laugh at him and go have drinks. Until then, why argue? It serves no purpose other than to postwhore.

EDIT: Then again, post whoring isn't so bad.

I hereby name this page "Honeybear Affliction"

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:17 pm

I have to agree.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:22 pm

Gotta love the twisting of scripture and/or taking it out of context. You refered to the mustard seed verse. Faith in what? Cookie Monster? Jabba the Hut? ANYTHING you choose to have faith in? And where you got "jay's making God and Jesus petty" is BEYOND me! I hope I do see you and Kyle there but you wouldn't be rubbing anything in anyone's face. Trust that.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:29 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Gotta love the twisting of scripture and/or taking it out of context. You refered to the mustard seed verse. Faith in what? Cookie Monster? Jabba the Hut? ANYTHING you choose to have faith in? And where you got "jay's making God and Jesus petty" is BEYOND me! I hope I do see you and Kyle there but you wouldn't be rubbing anything in anyone's face. Trust that.

I just said what I had faith in. If you'd bothered to read that, you wouldn't be ranting about the Cookie Monster.

God loves me, I know that. I also understand the depths of God, I approach him as a sequence of concepts formed into the essence of being while you approach him simply as your creator. There is a metaphysical side to God that you miss by that approach. I'm not here to convert anyone, and I am no prophet, but I did recieve this knowledge from what you would call God. I didn't have a vision. I wasn't visited by any angels. I never asked for the understanding. All the same, I have it. And I hope you learn it too. A deeper understanding of God only brings positive results.

And now I return you to the topic at hand, and request that this discussion be carried out either in another thread or not at all.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:41 pm

As it was in Logic Dictates and listening to the subtle voice from heaven say,"jay. why bother? You have done what you can, now shake the dust from your sandles and move on." I hereby vote NOT AT ALL.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:50 pm

jay_a2j wrote:As it was in Logic Dictates and listening to the subtle voice from heaven say,"jay. why bother? You have done what you can, now shake the dust from your sandles and move on." I hereby vote NOT AT ALL.

In a completely unrelated topic, what is that freaky avatar from? It looks like a low-gore Hellraiser-inspired thing.

theosi · Post by **theosi** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:22 am

Caleb the Cruel said "WTF is the administration thinknig" should die there was already a thread on israel...

Where?

this is "Where do you go to church? Oh I go here and this is what we believe... yada yada yada..."

See no room for anything related to what I am saying over there.

No offense meant... But come on... If you can't even keep your own topics on topic why tell other people there topics should die?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:34 am

Topics "evolve". And some people always have to "take a jab" wherever they can.

ISREAL ROCKS

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:08 am

jay_a2j wrote:Topics "evolve". And some people always have to "take a jab" wherever they can.

ISREAL ROCKS

I hope you are joking..

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:15 am

IsRAEL RAEL . R-A-E-L. PLEASE. Have you never read the bible?

Israel.... For or Against?

Do you support Isreal?