Vanilla Elementary Mafia - TOWN WINS!

[DirtyDishSoap]

Dukes right, I'm not going to keep arguing the same points. Made my case, im sticking with it, regardless.

Dega is right though, you wouldn't know if you were targeted by the doc or not.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok, I decided I trust the cop, Dirty is not willing to change his mind, that does not make him scum, but certainly not helping town either, at least in my mind.
But you know who has been so quiet about the doc/cop discussion and start being fishy. Chana
If Deg and Fusi see him as scum, I actually can see the point

Vote Chana

[DukeHazzard]

I was on Chana originally, but no one followed until now. After I changed my vote, lol. Teach is right tho, we need to be on the same page. I'm going back to Chana. And staying there.

unvote
vote Chana

[DirtyDishSoap]

Ok, I decided I trust the cop, Dirty is not willing to change his mind, that does not make him scum, but certainly not helping town either, at least in my mind.
But you know who has been so quiet about the doc/cop discussion and start being fishy. Chana
If Deg and Fusi see him as scum, I actually can see the point

Vote Chana

Can't agree with that logic. Chana has contributed more, albiet, nonsensical. Our own "doc" hasnt done much, and even then, Fusi and Pixar contribute even less.

[DirtyDishSoap]

And FOS[ to the immediate change.

[DirtyDishSoap]

To Duke i mean.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Is either Chana or Pixar I reckon

[*Pixar*]

At this point it's hard to tell if there's power roles or not, so I'm just confused at all the finger pointing. Nobody actually has any "true" evidence other than just saying "Chana and pixar have been quiet let's get them". In my opinion and yes it's not "great" evidence but I'm leaning toward DDS or Deg. Probability that one of them is lying and one is telling the truth are the best we got. We lynch DDS and he comes out scum, we have pretty good evidence that Deg is telling the truth. Same if we lynch Deg and he comes out scum instead of claimed cop role we know DDS is town and there are no power roles, in which case we could target Darin the next day for his maybe "fake claim". I don't like the idea of lynching someone just because they are quiet, usually never works out well for town, hell Deg investigated Fusi and so claimed Fusi as town and Fusi has been quiet? So I'm going to flip a coin and go with DDS, just because he has not claimed a power role so if he comes out town it hurts less than Deg coming out an actual cop if he was to get lynched.

unvote vote DDS

[Darin44]

At this point it's hard to tell if there's power roles or not, so I'm just confused at all the finger pointing. Nobody actually has any "true" evidence other than just saying "Chana and pixar have been quiet let's get them". In my opinion and yes it's not "great" evidence but I'm leaning toward DDS or Deg. Probability that one of them is lying and one is telling the truth are the best we got. We lynch DDS and he comes out scum, we have pretty good evidence that Deg is telling the truth. Same if we lynch Deg and he comes out scum instead of claimed cop role we know DDS is town and there are no power roles, in which case we could target Darin the next day for his maybe "fake claim". I don't like the idea of lynching someone just because they are quiet, usually never works out well for town, hell Deg investigated Fusi and so claimed Fusi as town and Fusi has been quiet? So I'm going to flip a coin and go with DDS, just because he has not claimed a power role so if he comes out town it hurts less than Deg coming out an actual cop if he was to get lynched.

unvote vote DDS

Tell you what we lynch DDS and comes out town, I will protect Deg, scum can than take me out

[Darin44]

Ok, I decided I trust the cop, Dirty is not willing to change his mind, that does not make him scum, but certainly not helping town either, at least in my mind.
But you know who has been so quiet about the doc/cop discussion and start being fishy. Chana
If Deg and Fusi see him as scum, I actually can see the point

Vote Chana

Can't agree with that logic. Chana has contributed more, albiet, nonsensical. Our own "doc" hasnt done much, and even then, Fusi and Pixar contribute even less.

read this everyday just tired of beating me head against a wall

[chanakam2020]

Who like to try to discuss this with Mathematics ?
(Thank to our teacher Ragian now we are pretty good at counting fingers )

First, Do we have any confirmed information ? I think No

Initially I believed only possible explanation for no kill at night 2 is doctor protecting himself.
But later I learned it is possible scums choose not to kill at some nights similar to no lynch days.
So we cannot 100% sure about existing of power roles in this game.
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Now 8 players alive , and two of them claimed they are doctor and cop.
.
We have Three possible actions today
1. Not lynching anyone.
2. Lynching one of 6 players who did not claim power roles.
3. Lynching Doctor or Cop claimed

Now Lets take each possible action separately and try to analyze what we can get by each of them.
(For these analysis I assume there are only 2 scums)

1. Not lynching anyone.
We will not get any new info today.
We will go to night hoping we will get some info at night.
0% chance of getting some new info

2. Lynching one of 6 players who did not claim power roles.
Two possible cases,
(i) Claims of Doc and COP are true
(ii) Claims of Doc and COP are false

Lets analyze each case separately

(i) Claims of Doc and COP are true
If Doc & Cop claims are true, then the scums are among other 6 players.
There is 2/6 = 33% of chance we lynching a scum and getting new info.

*Even though this is the best thing to happen for town there is less then 50% of chance we will successes.

(ii) Claims of Doc and COP are false
If their claims are false and if those two are the scums, then all other 6 players are vanilla townies.
We will lynch a vanilla townie and will not get any new info.
0% chance of getting some new info

So if we lynch one out of 6 players who did not claim power roles we have 0% or 33% chance of getting new info

3. Lynching Doctor or Cop claimed

If we lynch cop or doctor claimed player we will immediately know whether they are telling truth or not.
There is 100% chance of getting some new info
if we lynch one of them , for 100% sure we can get answers to following questions

* Whether there are power roles exist or not ?
* Cop investigation reports are true or false.
* We an narrow down the scope to find scums (If their claims true we will know scums are in other group of 6)

Does any one like to think and discuss along this mathematics & Probability based line to get some educated decision ?

[degaston]

At this point it's hard to tell if there's power roles or not, so I'm just confused at all the finger pointing. Nobody actually has any "true" evidence other than just saying "Chana and pixar have been quiet let's get them". In my opinion and yes it's not "great" evidence but I'm leaning toward DDS or Deg. Probability that one of them is lying and one is telling the truth are the best we got. We lynch DDS and he comes out scum, we have pretty good evidence that Deg is telling the truth. Same if we lynch Deg and he comes out scum instead of claimed cop role we know DDS is town and there are no power roles, in which case we could target Darin the next day for his maybe "fake claim". I don't like the idea of lynching someone just because they are quiet, usually never works out well for town, hell Deg investigated Fusi and so claimed Fusi as town and Fusi has been quiet? So I'm going to flip a coin and go with DDS, just because he has not claimed a power role so if he comes out town it hurts less than Deg coming out an actual cop if he was to get lynched.

unvote vote DDS

Tell you what we lynch DDS and comes out town, I will protect Deg, scum can than take me out

You might want to just flip a coin to decide which of us to protect. Or use your best judgement.

[degaston]

It occurs to me that DDS may not be completely off his rocker.
A "standard" setup I find for 7 newbie players has a doc, cop, 3 townies, and 2 mafia goons.
Adding four more townies, including another power role would make it way overpowered for town.
Even adding three townies, with one being a power role, and one goon could still be overpowered for town, depending on the role.
But maybe one of the scum has a role, too.

Fusi should have claimed on D2, but said it was "not beneficial to Town" for him to do so.
It wasn't beneficial for the cop or doc to claim either, but we did it when at L-2, as is standard.
He then asked me twice to investigate him.
If he was a Mafia Godfather, then he wouldn't want to nail down his role, but would be very happy with an investigation that cleared him.

So I think it's time for fusi to claim, to see if it still makes sense that we have three power roles.
Unvote
Vote fusibaseball

This does not change that I think almost everything Pixar has said today is suspicious, and he is also probably scum.

[chanakam2020]

It occurs to me that DDS may not be completely off his rocker.
A "standard" setup I find for 7 newbie players has a doc, cop, 3 townies, and 2 mafia goons.
Adding four more townies, including another power role would make it way overpowered for town.
Even adding three townies, with one being a power role, and one goon could still be overpowered for town, depending on the role.
But maybe one of the scum has a role, too.

Fusi should have claimed on D2, but said it was "not beneficial to Town" for him to do so.
It wasn't beneficial for the cop or doc to claim either, but we did it when at L-2, as is standard.
He then asked me twice to investigate him.
If he was a Mafia Godfather, then he wouldn't want to nail down his role, but would be very happy with an investigation that cleared him.

So I think it's time for fusi to claim, to see if it still makes sense that we have three power roles.
Unvote
Vote fusibaseball

This does not change that I think almost everything Pixar has said today is suspicious, and he is also probably scum.

As I remember you investigated and cleared him
Am I missing some thing here about you voting fusi ?

[degaston]

It occurs to me that DDS may not be completely off his rocker.
A "standard" setup I find for 7 newbie players has a doc, cop, 3 townies, and 2 mafia goons.
Adding four more townies, including another power role would make it way overpowered for town.
Even adding three townies, with one being a power role, and one goon could still be overpowered for town, depending on the role.
But maybe one of the scum has a role, too.

Fusi should have claimed on D2, but said it was "not beneficial to Town" for him to do so.
It wasn't beneficial for the cop or doc to claim either, but we did it when at L-2, as is standard.
He then asked me twice to investigate him.
If he was a Mafia Godfather, then he wouldn't want to nail down his role, but would be very happy with an investigation that cleared him.

So I think it's time for fusi to claim, to see if it still makes sense that we have three power roles.
Unvote
Vote fusibaseball

This does not change that I think almost everything Pixar has said today is suspicious, and he is also probably scum.

As I remember you investigated and cleared him
Am I missing some thing here about you voting fusi ?

Did you actually read my entire post, or just looked at the vote?

[degaston]

As I remember you investigated and cleared him
Am I missing some thing here about you voting fusi ?

To be clear, I think it's possible that fusi is a Mafia Godfather, who always returns Town from a cop investigation. So he has a reason to want to be investigated, but does not want to give out his role.

[DirtyDishSoap]

It occurs to me that DDS may not be completely off his rocker.
A "standard" setup I find for 7 newbie players has a doc, cop, 3 townies, and 2 mafia goons.
Adding four more townies, including another power role would make it way overpowered for town.
Even adding three townies, with one being a power role, and one goon could still be overpowered for town, depending on the role.
But maybe one of the scum has a role, too.

Fusi should have claimed on D2, but said it was "not beneficial to Town" for him to do so.
It wasn't beneficial for the cop or doc to claim either, but we did it when at L-2, as is standard.
He then asked me twice to investigate him.
If he was a Mafia Godfather, then he wouldn't want to nail down his role, but would be very happy with an investigation that cleared him.

So I think it's time for fusi to claim, to see if it still makes sense that we have three power roles.
Unvote
Vote fusibaseball

This does not change that I think almost everything Pixar has said today is suspicious, and he is also probably scum.

THANK YOU! FINALLY! GOOD LAWD! I'll back this at least.

Unvote Dega
Vote Fusi

[DirtyDishSoap]

Woops, sorry

Unvote Darin
Vote Fusi

[Darin44]

As I remember you investigated and cleared him
Am I missing some thing here about you voting fusi ?

To be clear, I think it's possible that fusi is a Mafia Godfather, who always returns Town from a cop investigation. So he has a reason to want to be investigated, but does not want to give out his role.

let me thank about this one for a bit

[DukeHazzard]

And FOS[ to the immediate change.

To Duke i mean.

Whatever, dude. I originally said Chana. No one backed me. Then someone backs me so I switch back and you're going to FOS me? You were addiment on going after a PR. Now everyone is after fusi? You all change your panties faster than that a gnat forgets which way it's flying. In less than 24 hrs... I can't keep up with all the changes. FOS on everyone.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

So not that much Vainilla game after all, if there is even Godfather, but is most likely that an unknow ower role, would like to hear from Fusi.
We need to get one lynch right.

Unvote

[Darin44]

So not that much Vainilla game after all, if there is even Godfather, but is most likely that an unknow ower role, would like to hear from Fusi.
We need to get one lynch right.

Unvote

Lets hear from Fusi.

unvote

[Ragian]

Vote count

2 Fusi (Dega, DDS)
2 Chana (fusi, Duke)
1 DDS (Pixar)
1 Dega (Chana)

With eight alive, it takes five voting for the same to end the day. No deadline yet.

[chanakam2020]

As I remember you investigated and cleared him
Am I missing some thing here about you voting fusi ?

To be clear, I think it's possible that fusi is a Mafia Godfather, who always returns Town from a cop investigation. So he has a reason to want to be investigated, but does not want to give out his role.

OK got your point and it sound valid.
We have to go somewhere.
So I change my mind again

Unvote degaston
Vote Fusi BB

[Darin44]

if no word from Fusi I will vote after i get home from work