Democrats continue the Crises over Illegal Immigration

[karel]

thats the problem with you libards,you dont like to wotk,cry about everything and dont like to follow through with laws,love having ms13 and other thugs come here.We have laws in the books

[2dimes]

Yeah Jim.

[jimboston]

Yeah Jim.

He showed me!

[jimboston]

the border is out of control we should have the army on border as its a invasion to our country but nobody seems to care for these people that we as tax payers pay for,i think we pay for enough shit,why pay for them,not me send them all back and have them come the right way,im fed up paying for illegials and lazy welfare people,its time to boot these people off welfare and make them get a job

That’s the problem with the “Right” they conflate these two groups.

In the venn diagram of humanity there is obviously some people who fall into both groups.
That said, the vast vast majority of “lazy welfare people” are born and bred right here in the good ‘ole USA.

(Again for you idiots out there… this does NOT mean that all or the majority of those {like me} who are born here are “lazy welfare people”. Most are not. Just that the majority of those on welfare are native born citizens of the US.)

Most immigrants (legal or illegal) that i have personally interacted with are super hard working… and happy to be here working.

People on the Right who suggest otherwise are either…
1) ignorant of this fact (willfully or not)
2) stupid
3) racist

Which category do you fall into karel?

thats the problem with you libards,you dont like to wotk,cry about everything and dont like to follow through with laws,love having ms13 and other thugs come here.We have laws in the books

So that’s your response?

Where did I state that I don’t like to work?
-> I’d put my work ethic up against most. I’m sure there are people that work more ‘ harder, but I’m confident I’m in the 80th percentile +.

Where did I state I don’t want us to follow-through with laws?
-> Trump broke all kinda of border/immigration laws.
-> As a “libtard” I don’t support a ton of new gun laws… but I do support us enforcing existing laws.

Where did I state I support M13 and “other thugs”?
-> What percentage of the families crossing are secret M13 members? Zero.
-> … for that matter what percentage of all illegal immigrants are “M13 or other thugs”.
I don’t have stats on this (no one does) but given the number of immigrants I’d say it’s super-low and less than 1%.

Your perception of reality is distorted by the crap media you follow.

You have no ability to respond directly to questions or points that conflict with your predetermined world-view.

You really need to open your mind and learn how to learn. I fear that you will ignore this and just continue being a a misinformed loser.

[jusplay4fun]

thats the problem with you libards,you dont like to wotk,cry about everything and dont like to follow through with laws,love having ms13 and other thugs come here.We have laws in the books

jimb said:

Where did I state I support M13 and “other thugs”?
-> What percentage of the families crossing are secret M13 members? Zero.
-> … for that matter what percentage of all illegal immigrants are “M13 or other thugs”.
I don’t have stats on this (no one does) but given the number of immigrants I’d say it’s super-low and less than 1%.

The gang is actually MS13.

Mara Salvatrucha, commonly known as MS-13, is an international criminal gang that originated in Los Angeles, California, in the 1970s and 1980s.

[jimboston]

Good thing we have JP4 to point out all these material flaws.

Oh wait…it’s not really fucking important.

What’s important is the fact that idiots conflate immigrants with violent criminals…
when the simple fact is that the only “crime” the vast vast majority of these people are committing is the illegal crossing.

Their “crime” is the desire to have a better life for themselves and their families and their other “crime” is they are willing to take risks and work hard to accomplish that goal.

… but no… better to confuse and distract the issue by pointing out a meaningless spelling error.
That contributes to the conversation.

[karel]

trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

[jusplay4fun]

Good thing we have JP4 to point out all these material flaws.

Oh wait…it’s not really fucking important.

What’s important is the fact that idiots conflate immigrants with violent criminals…
when the simple fact is that the only “crime” the vast vast majority of these people are committing is the illegal crossing.

Their “crime” is the desire to have a better life for themselves and their families and their other “crime” is they are willing to take risks and work hard to accomplish that goal.

… but no… better to confuse and distract the issue by pointing out a meaningless spelling error.
That contributes to the conversation.

What's important is that you continue to make mistakes, big and small, and refuse to acknowledge them. And it was NOT a spelling error; you made the error CONSISTENTLY, I think it was THREE times, so you did NOT KNOW.

And THIS is IMPORTANT, too, that MS-13 members are INDEED CRIMINALS and they COMMIT heinous crimes, not just to

work hard to accomplish that goal

Let's get to the facts:

MS-13 is defined by its cruelty

(...)

MS-13 is often public in its violence. Infanticide and femicide are common, with El Salvador hosting the third-highest femicide rate in the world. In 2016, one in 5,000 Salvadoran women were killed. Legal impunity is a key factor. In femicide cases, only 5% result in convictions

This cruelty of the distinguished members of the "Maras" or "Mareros" resulted in some being recruited by the Sinaloa Cartel battling against Los Zetas in an ongoing drug war in Mexico.[22][23][24] Their wide-ranging activities have drawn the attention of the FBI and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, who have initiated wide-scale raids against known and suspected gang members, arresting hundreds across the United States.[25] In an interview with Bill Ritter in late 2017, Nassau County, New York District Attorney Madeline Singas, referring to crimes committed by MS-13 gang members, stated: "The crimes that we're talking about are brutal. Their weapon of choice is a machete. We end up seeing people with injuries that I've never seen before. You know, limbs hacked off. And that's what the bodies look like that we're recovering. So they're brutal. They're ruthless, and we're gonna be relentless in our attacks against them."[26] The choice of a machete is in contrast to other gangs, which prefer to use guns.[27] Officials state the gang has ambitions to become a 'national brand' with an organization to match the Mafia or Mexican drug cartels and estimate its membership has grown by several thousand in the last decade, with a presence in forty states

(...)

Child prostitution
In 2011, Alonso "Casper" Bruno Cornejo Ormeno, an associate of MS-13 from Fairfax, Virginia, was sentenced to 24 years in prison for child prostitution. Ormeno recruited juvenile females into a prostitution ring by locating runaway children.[147]

Rances Ulices Amaya, a leader of MS-13, of Springfield, Virginia, was convicted in February 2012 for trafficking girls as young as 14 into a prostitution ring. He was sentenced in June 2012 to 50 years in prison for child prostitution. The girls were lured from middle schools, high schools, and public shelters. Once acquired by Amaya, they were required to have sex with as many as ten men per day.[148][149]

In September 2012, Yimmy Anthony Pineda Penado (also known as "Critico" and "Spike") of Maryland, a former "clique leader" of MS-13, became the eleventh member of the gang to be convicted of child prostitution since 2011.[150]

Yes, jimb, members of the gang MS-13 are ONLY working hard. Right. Just repeat that LIE.

[mookiemcgee]

trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

Is he going to do it as an 'undercover boss' type of special in 3 acts?
1. gets convicted of sedition
2. goes to prison
3. convinces all the MS-13 members to change their ways?

[jimboston]

trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

You ignore all points?
Afraid to engage?

[jimboston]

Good thing we have JP4 to point out all these material flaws.

Oh wait…it’s not really fucking important.

What’s important is the fact that idiots conflate immigrants with violent criminals…
when the simple fact is that the only “crime” the vast vast majority of these people are committing is the illegal crossing.

Their “crime” is the desire to have a better life for themselves and their families and their other “crime” is they are willing to take risks and work hard to accomplish that goal.

… but no… better to confuse and distract the issue by pointing out a meaningless spelling error.
That contributes to the conversation.

What's important is that you continue to make mistakes, big and small, and refuse to acknowledge them. And it was NOT a spelling error; you made the error CONSISTENTLY, I think it was THREE times, so you did NOT KNOW.

I typed M13 instead of MS13. Big fuckin’ deal… get over it.

And THIS is IMPORTANT, too, that MS-13 members are INDEED CRIMINALS and they COMMIT heinous crimes, not just to

work hard to accomplish that goal

Yes, jimb, members of the gang MS-13 are ONLY working hard. Right. Just repeat that LIE.

Idiot… I never said MS-13 (or M13) or any Central/Latin American gang or cartel members weren’t criminals or evil.

I said that the vast vast majority of the people crossing the border were NOT criminals.

Are some members or MS-13 crossing the border illegally?
Sure, I guess.

Do they represent the majority of people crossing the border?

NO. Not even close.

You may want to actually read/comprehend what I’m saying before you criticize some point I never made.

[jusplay4fun]

I merely pointed out that it is MS-13 and not m13. And you made that error three times.

You then talked about immigration when you are not clear on what "m13" even is. As far as your concerned, they are merely some immigrants. If you want to sound like you know what you are talking about, get your facts right. When I point out your obvious error, you dismiss it as irrelevant. WRONG. You show that you are basically ignorant on key points.

It is NOT a

meaningless spelling error.

Admit it jimb, you were WRONG again. NO surprise. Since you cannot admit to a simple but fundamental error, it seems pointless to expect intelligent discussion with you.

And I am not like some that you categorize as

idiots conflate immigrants with violent criminals…

I know this topic well and have been discussing it here since early 2017

Biden causes Crisis at the US-Mexico Border
Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Mar 13, 2021 4:13 am

and

DACA
Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:54 am

I have been thinking about DACA:

And, unlike you, I research things I am NOT SURE about. My memory on many issues is very good, and then, if there is doubt, I check by researching. I suggest that you join the ConfedSS Club and do more research and checking before you post.

[jimboston]

I am sure the vast vast majority of people crossing the border illegally and/or those speaking asylum are NOT MS-13.

Follow the point.



This is the point… you are either…

1) arguing some other point that I didn’t make.

2) arguing that the majority of illegal immigrants ARE MS-13.

[jusplay4fun]

I am sure the vast vast majority of people crossing the border illegally and/or those speaking asylum are NOT MS-13.

Follow the point.



This is the point… you are either…

1) arguing some other point that I didn’t make.

2) arguing that the majority of illegal immigrants ARE MS-13.

And again, you missed the POINT. Open your mind, jimb. AND, admit your mistakes.

karel got it right and you did not even pick up on THAT:

by karel on Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:12 pm

thats the problem with you libards,you dont like to wotk,cry about everything and dont like to follow through with laws,love having ms13

[jimboston]

the border is out of control we should have the army on border as its a invasion to our country but nobody seems to care for these people that we as tax payers pay for,i think we pay for enough shit,why pay for them,not me send them all back and have them come the right way,im fed up paying for illegials and lazy welfare people,its time to boot these people off welfare and make them get a job

That’s the problem with the “Right” they conflate these two groups.

In the venn diagram of humanity there is obviously some people who fall into both groups.
That said, the vast vast majority of “lazy welfare people” are born and bred right here in the good ‘ole USA.

(Again for you idiots out there… this does NOT mean that all or the majority of those {like me} who are born here are “lazy welfare people”. Most are not. Just that the majority of those on welfare are native born citizens of the US.)

Most immigrants (legal or illegal) that i have personally interacted with are super hard working… and happy to be here working.

People on the Right who suggest otherwise are either…
1) ignorant of this fact (willfully or not)
2) stupid
3) racist

Which category do you fall into karel?

I am sure the vast vast majority of people crossing the border illegally and/or those speaking asylum are NOT MS-13.

Follow the point.



This is the point… you are either…

1) arguing some other point that I didn’t make.

2) arguing that the majority of illegal immigrants ARE MS-13.

And again, you missed the POINT. Open your mind, jimb. AND, admit your mistakes.

karel got it right and you did not even pick up on THAT:

by karel on Mon Nov 28, 2022 8:12 pm

thats the problem with you libards,you dont like to wotk,cry about everything and dont like to follow through with laws,love having ms13

This is the karel post that started my response.

Please explain to me where karel “got it right”.

You truly are an idiot.

karel is lumping “immigrants and lazy welfare people” together as-if they are all one group.

Factually incorrect.

Later, in response to my post I guess, he wrote…

thats the problem with you libards,you dont like to wotk,cry about everything and dont like to follow through with laws,love having ms13 and other thugs come here.We have laws in the books

He now implies or suggests that all immigrants are MS-13.

I MAKE ONE MISTAKE AND WRITE M13 INSTEAD OF MS13. BIG FUCKING DEAL.
Read the meat of my post.

I am clarifying that the vast majority of immigrants… be they legal, illegal, undocumented, sealing asylum, whatever…
the vast vast majority of these HUMAN BEINGS are absolutely NOT MS-13 or criminals.

The vast vast majority are just humans who want to come here to work and have a better life.

Yet you seem to want to argue this point?

karel refuses to engage and just posts snippets of racist comments he gets from Fox News.

You engage and either…
- can’t follow basic English, so misunderstand my posts
- intentionally ignore the point of my post cause you want to blast me for mistyping the name of a gang
- are so blind by are past interactions that my typo/error is all you can see
- are actually a racist f*ck and truly agree with karel

Which is it?

[jimboston]

Can someone confirmI’m not losing my mind and I’m just in Bizarro world?

[Dukasaur]

Can someone confirmI’m not losing my mind and I’m just in Bizarro world?

Confirm.

[jimboston]

I mean it could be both.

I could be losing my mind AND be in Bizzaro World.

… it’s also possible Bizzaro World could cause me to lose my mind.

That said I appreciate your confirmation that I’ve entered a different reality. Thank you.

[GaryDenton]

karel wrote:
trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

Trump married an immigrant who violated the law to get in and then brought her parents over.
He also, of course, can't fix his own messes and should be on trial next year in multiple courts.

[karel]

if you say so

[jimboston]

if you say so

Addressed to whom?

[jimboston]

karel wrote:
trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

Trump married an immigrant who violated the law to get in and then brought her parents over.
He also, of course, can't fix his own messes and should be on trial next year in multiple courts.

Yeah…. but she’s from Europe/Slovenia.

Not one of those “shithole” countries as Trump would say.
So that’s what matters!!!



As evidenced by karel’s response… you’re logic and pointing out of Trump’s hypocrisy is NOT gonna change their minds.

[karel]

karel wrote:
trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

Trump married an immigrant who violated the law to get in and then brought her parents over.
He also, of course, can't fix his own messes and should be on trial next year in multiple courts.

so biden has let in over 2 mil and get all that free shit we as tax payers pay for.this prez worse then nixon

[jimboston]

karel wrote:
trump will fix the libtards mess,as they dont care who comes over here

Trump married an immigrant who violated the law to get in and then brought her parents over.
He also, of course, can't fix his own messes and should be on trial next year in multiple courts.

so biden has let in over 2 mil and get all that free shit we as tax payers pay for.this prez worse then nixon

No. The one doesn’t lead to the other.

Then again, Biden didn’t make the immigration laws of this country.
We could make them better, but the Republican controlled Congress isn’t going to take up this issue.
They will just use the problem to bash the Dems.

To be fair, the Dems don’t/didn’t have enough unity to work on this issue either.

Congress likes to create problems, solve minor problems, investigate, spend money… they don’t like to address serious and divisive issues like immigration, the environment, wealth disparity, etc.

Also… to be fair… Nixon did some good things as President. Just saying.

[karel]

bullshit the dems have left the border in a total mess this is all on the looney left,as all they want are illegal votes and nothing more