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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:27 am

Donelladan wrote:It's good that you like numbers.
So let's go with some numbers :)
since this game Game 22004597 when you score was
2022-10-07 18:54:27 - josko.ri has a score of 5077.

You've won 245 points for all the private games you played ( taking into account hive and world2.1 private games you've played since that one, including defeats as negative points).
You current score being 5,549, it means 51% of your point raise since you started inviting people to private game on your home maps is due to those private games.

And you keep inviting people, so I wouldn't be surprised if that % go raising in the near future, since your win % is surprisingly higher on private poly game than your public game :o

Idont know why you also include world 21 map as you claim that Iam inviting people on hive map they dont know. Everyone knows world 21 map why should that be counted against me? Do you think it is easy to beat Trafalgarlaw01 for instanceo wolrd 21 when I can earn 15 points but lose 27? Do you think it is easy to beat JPlo64 on hive when I can earn 10 points but lose 40?

Still, there is 50% of my score raise coming solely from public games chosen by my opponents. Why these 50% is less important?

@ Nymeria stark, I invited everyone of 2900 points amd more to a game so when I saw you are in that score range i also invited you. Nothing special about your skills, map knowledge or whatever but just equal inviting policy to everyone including you, no matter of their skills. If you or anyone is aware that you are not skilled at hive map, you are totally free to decline my invite as you clearly did.

Also I started to greatly reduce my invites and will likely stop them for a while after filling two last games which are waiting, but not because i believe what I do is any wrong but because I have less free time recently and also clan league round started so want to focus on clan games.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:40 am

Also for all Nymeria Starks and such crybabies, see this:

Game 22045915

Lingfish plays first lifetime 1v1 hive game, and destroys me quite much.

This is because hive in 1v1 mode, sunny, escalating, has nothing really special to "trick" newcomer on the map.

It is huge map ok, but bonuses are very well explained, connections among regions also, there is no any special feature (competitive game will never go below 36 regions per player). All bonuses are mostly equal, there isfnot really any part of theumap which is strategically more important than others (what newcomer would not know). Furthermore I am playing it sunny so I cannot "sell" any surpirse strategy.

When playing such simple map/settings versus 3000 points players and myself having 5200, I would need to win 3 games to overcome point loss of 1 game.

This really doesnt sound as something someone who thinks in terms of point raisong would take. this is example when rookie on the map will likely beat me but I also played the same map/settings versus non-rookies. For instance, aaronvollrath played hive map 75 times before I invited him to 1v1 match Game 22024853.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby Nymeria Stark on Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:54 am

josko.ri wrote:@ Nymeria stark, I invited everyone of 2900 points amd more to a game so when I saw you are in that score range i also invited you. Nothing special about your skills, map knowledge or whatever but just equal inviting policy to everyone including you, no matter of their skills. If you or anyone is aware that you are not skilled at hive map, you are totally free to decline my invite as you clearly did.

Also I started to greatly reduce my invites and will likely stop them for a while after filling two last games which are waiting, but not because i believe what I do is any wrong but because I have less free time recently and also clan league round started so want to focus on clan games.

Like I said, it wasn't criticising you for the invites, I was criticising you for all the disingenuous things you wrote. Some examples:


josko.ri wrote:Therefore, when i invest so much time in planning and in actually playing, then i desire that my time is spent in efficient way versus opponents who are skilled [...] I am seeking for good and exciting challenges, but not for easy win

If that was the case you would never have invited me, you would make the games public or invite players that actually know the map/settings.


josko.ri wrote:Also, playing hive map has only one special feature, that drop is capped at 12 per 36 and every bigger regions. All other gameplay is completely basic, equal bonuses of 3 6 and more regions evenly spread around the map. Furthermore, I play it sunny so there is no any special strategy in fog to trick my opponents.

Yeah it's simple gameplay, no prior experience required!


josko.ri wrote:Well, two reasons much in favor of inviting new faces are:

1) I may discover potential new recruit for our clan. [...] if he is versatile player and can accommodate to different settings on a map that he knows well then bingo!, we have potential newcomer in our clan.

Do you not realise how see-through this is? Why not be honest about your actual motive? You wanna be conquerer, cool, totally respect that. What loses you respect is the dishonesty.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby iAmCaffeine on Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:14 am

josko.ri wrote:Come on Caff, you are the player that I easily obtained points from in recent months. I have joined every time on map/settings mostly chosen by you and beat you with high rate 14 wins and 6 losses. So please dont try to outsmart anyone here when easily beating you highly contributed to my climb on scoreboard.

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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:26 am

Nymeria Stark, I choose strategically demanding hive map BECAUSE I enjoy high level strategizing and outsmarting each other.

When I say "strategically demanding" then I mean that hive map has choice of going for 10 or more bonuses, where difference between among choosing which bonuses may give you 5 to 10 percent advantage over a player who choose inferior bonuses, and I maybe do this part better than other players, which often makes difference between win or loss.
However, I still claim that hive map is not special in any way for a "classic" risk player who understand any map with bonuses.
maps like das schloss, antarctica, kings court 2 ARE very special maps with special features and if someone plays them for the first time versus narutoreserigala they will 100% lose.
If someone plays hive versus me for the first time, that person have chances of winning.
In fact, _Untouchable and Lingfish won vs me in their second hive game.
Did anyone won vs narutoserigala in his/her second game on das schloss, kings court 2 or antarctica maps?

However, if I only choose hive map but put it public game, then often will happen situation like in this game Game 22060047 where opponent who are not capable to compete will join and I will waste my time playing (no fun, no outsmarting each other).
Sure, I will then get easy 5 to 7 points, but that is NOT my goal, my goal is having fun while competing on the highest strategy level (which hive is) versus the highest skilled opponents (which colonels or above mostly are).
If I want to compete on not very high strategical level, I can play luxembourg or doodle earth, why bother with complexity?
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby TrafalgarLaw01 on Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:38 am

Naruto unfoed me :o
Now I can join his games:

Josko no one doubts u are a great player, but also few people likes you, not because u win, but mostly your attitude.

On the other hand, don't try to play fool, you knew you would win most of the Hive games, specially the poly 4 (I agree with u nothing really special 1v1), since most people don't know the trick behind poly 4 key number region 36, not to over do with two colors letting the other two fall behind, etc. still u encouraged people to face u on those settings telling them how good they were when most of them werent really (Completely agree with Nymeria there). Also u said you invited all top 100 wich maybe u did but also some pick below, like Son!c or Maburaad, who were no near to 3000 points, i'd bet there were more but won't bother to look. So yes u earn a lot of points in a way that even if its defferent to the fraud (naruto), still was on my opinion some kind of farming/ranching etc (agree with Don there).
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby pmchugh on Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:44 am

josko.ri wrote:Come on Caff, you are the player that I easily obtained points from in recent months. I have joined every time on map/settings mostly chosen by you and beat you with high rate 14 wins and 6 losses. So please dont try to outsmart anyone here when easily beating you highly contributed to my climb on scoreboard.


He accused you of being insufferable because you are always boasting about how great you are, and your rebuttal is to boast about how many times you beat him? :lol:
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby xroads on Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:46 am

on a related note

Josko has gotten ranching opened again.

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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:16 am

Ok, to all your smarties who claim that playing hive for the first time is impossible to win versus a good player, I looked back into my first hive games in lifetime (believe it or not, I was also beginner once), and I found that I won the first 21 hive games in-a-row that i ever played in a lifetime. These games were versus one of the best players ever seen in CC. From this analysis, I excluded multiplayer games, only 1v1 and team games. Also, my first defeat was with trench, if we exclude trench then my winning streak is first 34 hive games in-a-row that I played.

Also noteworthy to mention, first hive game that i ever played was 2.5 months after joining the site, so I was not close as experienced as these Colonels or Brigadiers that I am inviting to play versus me.

My first lifetime hive games:
1. Game 6378889 defeated AAfitz in 1v1, a well known strong THOTA player
2. Game 7150053 defeated a lieatenant in 1v1
3. Game 7625908 won hive QUADS UNLIMITED for the first time, the same as these that I am playing nowadays in poly games in AWAY SET in TOFU vs KORT CCup1 semifinals versus opponent lead by famous CCC players Dako and Iron Maid
4. Game 7856686 I so much liked playability and strategical variations of game (3), that I sent back to TOFU in batch 3 exactly the same map map/settings that they sent to us in batch 2, and again won versus team led by Dako and Iron Maid
5. Game 8295297 As I liked the hive map in combination with unlimited settings so much, I also sent it to THOTA team in CCup1 finals, and again beat their team led by famous Blitzaholic
6. Game 8538218 I modified gameplay slightly to be triples but not quads and again won in CCup1 finals vs THOTA (this time not vs Blitzaholic)
7. Game 8767821 Another win, this time vs AOC who also used to be top 1 clan at one time
8. Game 9326894 Win vs FOED team
9. Game 9327127 Another win vs FOED team, this time in away set (not unlimited fort)
10. Game 9430936 Another win vs FOED team
11. Game 9740586 1v1 win vs IcePack, a very known CC player
12. Game 9868285 CCup2 semifinals win vs EMP team, including ljex who reached conqueror rank
13. Game 9868287 CCup2 semifinals win vs EMP team, again including ljex
14. Game 10391003 CCup2 finals wins vs TSM team
15. Game 10530062 Clan League win vs IA team, including King_Herpes and Aaarrrrggh who reached conqueror rank
16. Game 10639233 CCup2 finals win vs TSM team
17. Game 11025299 1v1 win vs low ranked player (I joined as player 2)
18. Game 11115365 1v1 win vs high ranked player KiIIface, I joined game that he hosted as player 2.
19. Game 11138620 Clan League win vs TOFU, led by famous players such as Chuuuuck, Chariot of Fire and Iron Maid
20. Game 11327526 CCup3 semifinals win vs TOFU, led by famous players such as Seulessliathan, Chariot of Fire and catnipdreams
21. Game 11665182 Clan League win vs at that time hot streak clan PACK

Game 11702341 first loss after 21 wins in a row vs ccatman who also reached conqueror rank, but in rematch game on the same settings I defeated him: Game 11702433

excluding trench, the winning streak extends until 33-in -a-row:
22. Game 11926484 win versus team lead by benga
23. Game 11960057 win versus team lead by ccatman who first defeated me on hive map in the abovementioned game.
24. to 28. Game 12070168 Game 12070169 Game 12070170 Game 12070171 Game 12070172 five 1v1 wins in-a-row versus a famous CC player MudPuppy
29. Game 12106652 win versus Major ranked player, I joined as player 2
30. to 34. Game 12106252 Game 12110393 Game 12114488 Game 12140808 Game 12154837 five 1v1 wins in-a-row versus famous Kaskavel who reached rank of conqueror mainly by playing 1v1 hive games

And guess who was the first to beat me in a non-trench hive game, after I was undefeated for nearly 3 years? Even noteworthy to mention, he defeated me by having second turn in a game which is way harder. JackMaxim, one of these players that I invited to these hive games vs me these days. What an irony isnt it?

Game 12155706 my first defeat on a non-trench hive 1v1 or team game by JackMaxim, nearly 3 years after I player the map for the first time.
And all of you bitchers who call me out for my argument that I use playing on hard maps vs players unknown to me for clan recruitment purpose, see this surprise:
Game 12164304 Game 12164323 at the same month when JackMaxim beat me on hive, he was invated to test games for joining KORT clan. What an irony, isnt it? Where are now you smarties who are sceptical that I am playing hard maps also for purpose for recruiting new clan members, if/when I find someone with potential?
On top of that, in very next hive game that we played Game 12164330, JackMaxim beat me again.
Then, next game with me and JackMaxim is Game 12408223, after he got recruited to KORT clan shortly afterwards.
So, all you smarties who know better than me how I recruit new players to my clan, where are you now? Hide yourself in a mouse hole.

To conclude, you smartie Donelladan, this is REAL PROOF that a new player (and even more, a Colonel or bigger ranked player with years of CC experience) CAN perform well on hive map using plain logic (which might not be true for das schloss, kings court 2 and antarctica) because I scored 34 non-trench hive wins in-a-row over first 3 years since joining this site. Furthermore, if you look who were my opponents in these 34 games then you will see even more how big of success that was because these opponents were one of the biggest legends that CC ever saw.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:26 am

TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Naruto unfoed me :o
Now I can join his games:

Josko no one doubts u are a great player, but also few people likes you, not because u win, but mostly your attitude.

On the other hand, don't try to play fool, you knew you would win most of the Hive games, specially the poly 4 (I agree with u nothing really special 1v1), since most people don't know the trick behind poly 4 key number region 36, not to over do with two colors letting the other two fall behind, etc. still u encouraged people to face u on those settings telling them how good they were when most of them werent really (Completely agree with Nymeria there). Also u said you invited all top 100 wich maybe u did but also some pick below, like Son!c or Maburaad, who were no near to 3000 points, i'd bet there were more but won't bother to look. So yes u earn a lot of points in a way that even if its defferent to the fraud (naruto), still was on my opinion some kind of farming/ranching etc (agree with Don there).

see my post above, in my lifetime I joined first hive game after 2 months of being the site member, and after that made 34 wins in a row in non-trech hive mostly playing versus the best players on the site, very often as player 2 or team 2 (on their chosen settings). Therefore, I show by my own example that hive map can be played very well by a beginner, as I was kicking assess of famous THOTA players, future or past conquerors and other highly reputable players on the time when I was beginner.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:50 am

Also, I am in no way stick to these hive games. i send them, but if the other player replies that he dislikes map and wants something else, I grant his wish. TrafalgarLaw01, You yourself told me that you dislike hive map, I answered ok, do you like world 21 and we played world 21, no big deal. Caymanmew told me he is not good at hive and asked me that I play his loved map conquer rome, which I accepted without even asking Caymanmew that he joins some of my map so that we have 1 game on his map and one game on my map. I only joined his map.

And about "convincing" other players that they are good at hive, it seems that Caymanmew put false image that I am convincing "everyone" that they are good at hive. This is not true at all. In fact, Caymanmew was the only player with whom I discussed how much is he good or bad at hive map, and quick check of his recent games showed 3 1v1 wins in-a-row, of which one versus groovysmurf for whom I know that she is good at the map as she defeated me in past. So, conversation between me and Caymanmew on hos good he is on hive map did not start from my side, it started from his side, and my reply was just that map ranking him does not show to me an impression that he is that bad. He exaggerated here that I wanted to convince him that he is good, leaving impression that this convincing conversation started from my side (which did not, it started from his side). If he didnt want discussion how good or bad he is, then he did not need to start conversation in terms of how good or bad he is on the map, he could just say not interested to play thank you. Anyhow, I responsibly telling that Caymanmew was the only one player to whom I expressed an opinion that he might be good at hive, I did not tell this to any other player.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby detlef on Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:18 pm

pmchugh wrote:
josko.ri wrote:Come on Caff, you are the player that I easily obtained points from in recent months. I have joined every time on map/settings mostly chosen by you and beat you with high rate 14 wins and 6 losses. So please dont try to outsmart anyone here when easily beating you highly contributed to my climb on scoreboard.


He accused you of being insufferable because you are always boasting about how great you are, and your rebuttal is to boast about how many times you beat him? :lol:

Oh the irony!

Imagine being widely recognized as among the best at a game that a lot of other intelligent people take very seriously and still feeling compelled to write tomes about how great you are.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby Shannon Apple on Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:55 pm

Oh this thread never fails to make me laugh. :mrgreen:
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby TrafalgarLaw01 on Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:37 pm

Again you are either failling to see the point or completely ignoring it on purpose.
I myself have a great reacord in hive, won my only 2 team games, and won 3 out of my 4 1v1/poly games. I just don't play it if I don't have to cause it gives me headache to look at it.
I said i agree with u there is nothing special about 1v1 hive. however poly 4 unlimited no trench has some very special things that most players wont pick at first, specially if they have never played the map, not even 1v1 (So they wont realize how important is 36 region number and not overdo with some colors).
Yes, very good players will check logs from the best players, check active games, or some other staff to compete, but realisticly it's not most of them or will only get turn 1 but not see the overall picture. So u knew u would win most of the games without a real fight (even if u claim u were looking for one). So yes I still agree with Don here there was some kind of abuse of the invite system, and I agree with Nymeria, is cool if u want to reach conq, but be honest about it, and try to hide things.

Playing other games has nothing to do with it, it is not what is being questioned. U sent me 3 invites to hive before i told u I do not enjoy the map, I took World 2.1 cause why not we have faced 39 times this year 21-18 for u with the world 2.1 victory, so now i'm the one that can get more points indeed.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby Ltrain on Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:39 pm

Shannon Apple wrote:Oh this thread never fails to make me laugh. :mrgreen:


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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:53 pm

Interesting how "the smartie" Donelladan is suddenly silent about his argument that "first-timers cannot perform well on hive map", after I threw directly into his face the evidence that I won first 34 non-trench hive games in-a-row on the time when I was newcomer. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:45 pm

Also, my comment to Donelladan's and Trafalgarlaw's argument that winning hive map with unlimited settings is nearly impossible for players who never played it before. Lets look back at how I did when I played hive unlimited quads for the first time ever...

Game 7625908 my third hive game ever played in AWAY set vs TOFU in a clan war, but first which was not 1v1. Lets see how experienced were my opponents...

All four of my opponents had unbeaten score at hive map 1v1 or team, Dako being 5-0, Iron maid 12-0, sonicsteve 7-0 and Kiwi123 1-0. So my opponents combined had unbeaten score of 27-0 before their first loss on hive map against my team. Dako, who seemed to be team leader, scored all his 5 previous wins on exactly these settings quads with unlimited fort. On top of that, my team got second start making even harder to win. On top of that, the game was fog so it was much harder for a beginner like me to win than these poly hive games that I am playing sunny nowadays.

And not only that I won that first hive team game ever in my lifetime, but I also sent
Game 7856686 back to TOFU with EXACTLY the same map/setting in the following home set of that clan war and again won, again with having second start. How often does it happen in clan wars that someone sends back exactly the same map/settings? How often it happens for a map/settings that someone played for the first time ever? On top of that, these two defeats are the only two occurences in his lifetime that Dako lost a game on hive map.

So for all you smarties, as shown above it is really possible and realistic to win hive with unlimited settings when playing it for the first time ever. I even did it versus opponents who combined had undefeated hive map record of 27-0 before my team defeated them for the first time and shortly afterwads for the second time.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:33 am

Donelladan wrote:It's good that you like numbers.
So let's go with some numbers :)
since this game Game 22004597 when you score was
2022-10-07 18:54:27 - josko.ri has a score of 5077.

You've won 245 points for all the private games you played ( taking into account hive and world2.1 private games you've played since that one, including defeats as negative points).
You current score being 5,549, it means 51% of your point raise since you started inviting people to private game on your home maps is due to those private games.

And you keep inviting people, so I wouldn't be surprised if that % go raising in the near future, since your win % is surprisingly higher on private poly game than your public game :o

I am actually glad that you presented this statistics because it actually goes in my favor.

If 50% of my recent point increase is from these private games and 50% from other public games that I play almost every time joining gams that other people created, where is then addtional value or additional advnatage that these private games bring to me?

Instead of playing these private games, I could also double the amount of joined public games that Are created by others, and (assuming to have the same success ratio than in other such games) earn the other 50% of points raise on that way.

Your point would maybe have value if I am losing points in other public games that I play but then I make up these lost points by playing private games, however I am getting equal point raise from both public and private games (roughly 250 points rise in last one month from each of public and private games).

Where is an additional value for my point rise by playing private games, when the same amount of point rise I got from public games at the same time period?
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby Donelladan on Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:01 am

josko.ri wrote:Interesting how "the smartie" Donelladan is suddenly silent about his argument that "first-timers cannot perform well on hive map", after I threw directly into his face the evidence that I won first 34 non-trench hive games in-a-row on the time when I was newcomer. =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


You know, I do spend a lot of time on CC, but I also have a life besides it, so sometimes I don't reply immediately to everything you say.
Also, I was happy to let other people reply to you. Really liked some posts here.
Didn't feel I had to step in to repeat what they said, especially when it was sometimes quite close of what I've said.

When playing such simple map/settings versus 3000 points players and myself having 5200, I would need to win 3 games to overcome point loss of 1 game.
This really doesnt sound as something someone who thinks in terms of point raisong would take.


And yet you're winning lots of points doing that. So maybe smthg is wrong in your logic here ?
How can you claim it's an easy map, how can you claim doing this isn't smthg you would do to win points, but you're actually winning lot of points doing it ?
If you're able to win 90% of the games, then it is NOT an easy one.

You're a master at hive unlimited. And you're playing beginners. Then you win everything. And that's ok, you're indeed better at hive unlimited.
It's also ok that sometimes you play beginner.
But then you also actively send request to beginner to come and play you. That's what I think is not so ok

About you winning your first game on hive.
So first, I've never said it was impossible to win hive map with unlimited settings. Read all of my posts, I didn't say that.
I'm saying you're very good at hive unlimited, and you have a ton of experience playing this settings.
And you're playing people without any experience on it.
Hence that's why I also added the world2.1 unlimited, since you asked why I did, because if you invite someone that never played poly(4) unlimited or team unlimited on a word2.1 poly(4) unlimited, you're also getting yourself a strong advantage. Sure, it's probably easier to beat you on world2.1 than on hive. But given that you've taken quite specific settings, then you're giving yourself an advantage. And it's ok to play your favorite map with your favorite settings. What I find it's less ok, it's to invite a lot of people that have never played this specific combination of map/settings.


But let have a look at your first hive game.
You're playing a player that doesn't even like the hive map on your first game.
He said in the chat " my eyes are bleeding".
He played 15000 games on CC, but only 47 on Hive.
When you played him, he had played hive 10 times.
5 times in 1vs1 unlimited MANUAL and SPEED ( with a 3/2 record)
1 Assassin freestyle manual
4 double escalating chained
2 eight-players games.
And you've beaten him on 1vs1 unlimited 24h not manual.

So yes you've beaten him.
But he was hardly an expert.

And yes you've beaten TOFU and such on your first hive quad unlimited hive game.
But
1) they all had less than 10 games played on the settings
2) you had already played several unlimited team games ( which is the main point here - unlimited poly(4) / team is the difficulty, hive is adding a layer on top of it because of its size).
3) it was an important clan game so I'm pretty sure you spend quite some time discussing what to do with your teams.

But what I've just say doesn't even matter.
Even if you had beaten a josko-like-expert on your first hive game, and even if you had beaten a josko-like team on your first quad team game, my point would still be valid.
Because, I am not claiming no player will ever beat you on hive poly(4) unli.
I'm claiming you have tons of experience and skills on this specific map/setting, and inviting people without experience against you is giving you a very strong advantage. ( which is proven by the statistics. See how private hive game you've lost. Only 3 against mc. )
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:45 am

Donelladan, in three months since August 1st until October 31st (data can be checked on monthly scoreboard) I played 318 games (only 11 of them private, all other public on maps/settings chosen by my opponents) and my score rised from 3900 until 5400 points. Most of these games are team games so I can equally continue to rise my rank as I did from August to October. It is true that now I would earn less points per game because I have 5000 points but playing triples when my team has 9000 or 10000 points or playing quads when my team has 11000 or 12000 does not make a significant difference on how much points do I earn or lose.

I could easily double the amount of public team games that i play, many players asked me to play with me, and gain more points per a team game than from these hive games, also lose less in case of defeat. Pointwise, I would still be at 5500 points because, as you showed, I earned 250 points from public games and 250 points from private games in last month. Therefore if I doubled the amount of public games, with the same winning ratio, O would have earned additonal 250 points from them.

I just wanted some change, testing who of these high rankers are very capable of playing high skilled level game such as hive, potentiallly invite him to clan. At the same time this helped me towards zombie medal that is one of twomedals where i still dont have gold. There is no malicious intention from me to take advantage of anyone.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:19 am

Donelladan wrote:But let have a look at your first hive game.
You're playing a player that doesn't even like the hive map on your first game.
He said in the chat " my eyes are bleeding".
He played 15000 games on CC, but only 47 on Hive.
When you played him, he had played hive 10 times.
5 times in 1vs1 unlimited MANUAL and SPEED ( with a 3/2 record)
1 Assassin freestyle manual
4 double escalating chained
2 eight-players games.
And you've beaten him on 1vs1 unlimited 24h not manual.

So yes you've beaten him.
But he was hardly an expert.

LOL at this.

Aafitz was member on top ranked clan THOTA at the time, had 10 ganes experience on hive, and Manual deployment 1v1 hive is not much different than sequential with unlimited fort because anyway in round 1 you fort all into stacks which is close to manual. Manual settings would actually be more favorable for newcomer at the map than unlimited because the newcomer because less ski is needed. BUT what you didnt mention at all is that AAfitz also got furst turn in that unlimited fort 1v1 hive yet I beat him despite that.

To put this situation in today's context, imagine that any top ranked clan player, really anyone from ascension clan who has some experience on hive map plays a 1v1 hive with unlimited fort versus a player who joined the site in September 2022 and have never played hive. How much do you think are chances that this newcomer beat an ascension player in1v1 hive unlimitef fort when the ascension player also luckily gets first start?
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby i-andrei on Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:39 am

josko.ri wrote:Donelladan, in three months since August 1st until October 31st (data can be checked on monthly scoreboard) I played 318 games (only 11 of them private, all other public on maps/settings chosen by my opponents)


Actually you join them cause you never open public games. Except the ones where you invite of course. Will just have to ask my whole clan to foe you until you start opening public games of your own.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:29 am

i-andrei wrote:
josko.ri wrote:Donelladan, in three months since August 1st until October 31st (data can be checked on monthly scoreboard) I played 318 games (only 11 of them private, all other public on maps/settings chosen by my opponents)


Actually you join them cause you never open public games. Except the ones where you invite of course. Will just have to ask my whole clan to foe you until you start opening public games of your own.

Sole reason for that is that I want to play competitive games vs capable opponents rather than harvesting easy points from noobs who would sometimes join my public games. I am sure if I open 100 public games on hive poly-4 unlimited then I will win tons if points vs unskilled players who join and "the smartie" Donelladan or "the unsmartie" xroads will jump on me how I am farming. So, I join public games as team 2 versus capable opponents and on their map/settings showing how versatile conqueror I will be.

But seriously, a logical question for you i-andrei... between (1) my joining public team games on map/settings created by you or (2) your joining my public hive poly-4 or quads (assuming if I make them as public), where do you think you or anyone else have bigger chances of winning? I am sure in (1).
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby i-andrei on Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:49 am

To be honest i would join any game against higher ranked players, especially if that's one of that players' best map.
But the thing is that you don't give this chance to everyone, just to top players that, like Don pointed out, rarely play the map.
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Re: Our Lovely Conqueror

Postby josko.ri on Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:48 am

i-andrei wrote:To be honest i would join any game against higher ranked players, especially if that's one of that players' best map.
But the thing is that you don't give this chance to everyone, just to top players that, like Don pointed out, rarely play the map.

I would gladly invite you to my hive poly-4, but then Donelladan will write C&A case against me for farming, becuause in our previous hive unlimited poly game (Game 21955636) you yourself stated, to cite you: "well, not trench so would say i started this with less than 10% chance".

Therefore, I appreciate your willingness to challenge higher ranked players on their favorite maps, and they are many other high ranked players who share the same idea as you.

However, there are also "smarties" such as Donelladan around, who argue that my eventual inviting you to a hive poly unlimited game would be farming, as you yourself openly stated that your chances to beat me on these settings are less than 10% (even when you had the first turn).

So sorry, but no, I am not a farmer.

See, we could have nice fun playing, you know the map, you play it very often in poly-4 unlimited (with one settings difference - trench), but these "smarties" who farm on france 21 map poly-3 trench will do everything they can to taint my name.

Why I say that "smartie" Donelladan is farming on france 21 map? Of last 90 games that he played on that map, 28 were joined by players ranked lower than Major and Donelladan won 27 of these 28 games, the only one lost was vs still relatively high ranked Lieutenant. Therefore, if my playing around 35 hive games, of which 3 are already lost and possibly few more will also be lost is farming, what is then playing 28 games vs low rankers and winning 27? who has higher winning %, me on these hives vs high rankers or Donelladan on france 21 versus players ranked lower than Major? Donelladan accuses me of farming versus top 100 ranked players on the site, yet he himself farms low rankers with 27 wins out pf last 28 games. If Donelladan earned around 10 points from each of these 27 wins (say, he is ranked 3000 and opponents 1500) that means that Donelladan also won 270 points from his farming. Yes, his games were public, but it is much easier to win public game versus clueless opponent than private game versus player whose strategical understanding is very high.

Also, 28 of last 90 france 21 games by Donelladan were vs lower ranked opponents than Majors, which is roughly 30%. This number is bigger than 25% how much is ratio of my private games in last two months (75% public). Therefore, Donelladan quite often plays vs incapable players and beat them in more than 95% of cases. is that farming?
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