And I will not get a vaccine for a disease in which I personally face a 0.1% risk of mortality or serious adverse effect, particularly if that vaccine is manufactured by companies with lax historic safety records and who have no monetary incentive (civil liability) to get it right, and which use a manufacturing technology never before used in human history and for which there's no more than 9 months safety data on.
However, I fully support any high risk person getting vaccinated. And I also will get vaccinated myself if the preceding conditions change significantly (e.g. mortality rates increase exponentially, civil liability is restored, three years pass and safety data looks good, a protein subunit or inactivated virus vaccine becomes available, etc.).
So long as my tax dollars don’t pay your salary I’m fine with you making your choice.
Your percentage risk seems to be low given the limited data we have about your age in this forum.
And I will not get a vaccine for a disease in which I personally face a 0.1% risk of mortality or serious adverse effect, particularly if that vaccine is manufactured by companies with lax historic safety records and who have no monetary incentive (civil liability) to get it right, and which use a manufacturing technology never before used in human history and for which there's no more than 9 months safety data on.
However, I fully support any high risk person getting vaccinated. And I also will get vaccinated myself if the preceding conditions change significantly (e.g. mortality rates increase exponentially, civil liability is restored, three years pass and safety data looks good, a protein subunit or inactivated virus vaccine becomes available, etc.).
+1
My body my choice right Hitred?
Thou shall not kill.
So when you catch Rona cus you are not vaccinated and pass it on to your neighbor because again you aren't vaccinated, and your neighbor then dies... You've lived up to your core christian principles of 'thou shall not kill' right?
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
And I will not get a vaccine for a disease in which I personally face a 0.1% risk of mortality or serious adverse effect, particularly if that vaccine is manufactured by companies with lax historic safety records and who have no monetary incentive (civil liability) to get it right, and which use a manufacturing technology never before used in human history and for which there's no more than 9 months safety data on.
However, I fully support any high risk person getting vaccinated. And I also will get vaccinated myself if the preceding conditions change significantly (e.g. mortality rates increase exponentially, civil liability is restored, three years pass and safety data looks good, a protein subunit or inactivated virus vaccine becomes available, etc.).
So long as my tax dollars don’t pay your salary I’m fine with you making your choice.
Your percentage risk seems to be low given the limited data we have about your age in this forum.
Actually it's lower. It's .035% to be precise. Due to the amount of doom porn in the media, Americans tend to overestimate the severity of COVID. JHU has a handy calculator:
And I will not get a vaccine for a disease in which I personally face a 0.1% risk of mortality or serious adverse effect, particularly if that vaccine is manufactured by companies with lax historic safety records and who have no monetary incentive (civil liability) to get it right, and which use a manufacturing technology never before used in human history and for which there's no more than 9 months safety data on.
However, I fully support any high risk person getting vaccinated. And I also will get vaccinated myself if the preceding conditions change significantly (e.g. mortality rates increase exponentially, civil liability is restored, three years pass and safety data looks good, a protein subunit or inactivated virus vaccine becomes available, etc.).
+1
My body my choice right Hitred?
Thou shall not kill.
So when you catch Rona cus you are not vaccinated and pass it on to your neighbor because again you aren't vaccinated, and your neighbor then dies... You've lived up to your core christian principles of 'thou shall not kill' right?
That would be a poor metaphor but what makes it awful is that Science says we "don't know if the vaccine prevents transmission."
HitRed's neighbour might potentially have gone on to commit a sex crime later in their life, and their death has prevented that. We can never look at one single event and declare it good or bad, we know too little about that one event's place within Tao.
Also if HR's neighbour dies of Covid then they're almost certainly a) also unvaccinated and/or b) weak.
Palestinians murdered by Israel during its ongoing illegal invasion of Gaza: 52,535*
Dr. Aaron Kheriaty, Director of Medical Ethics at UC Irvine, has shared this terrifying letter from a colleague via her attorney; Dr. Patricia Lee is a fully-vaccinated ICU physician at USC. If you've been Bidenvaxed, I suggest you not click the link. It may just be more than you can bear. There's nothing you can do at this point so it would be better to just hope for the best.
Dr. Lee’s experience does not comport with your agencies’ claims of safety regarding
COVID-19 vaccines. She has been an ICU physician and surgeon for over 15 years and, in that time,
has not seen vaccine injuries at the rate she has seen from COVID-19 vaccines. Dr. Lee did not reach
out about redness at the injection site. The injuries she is observing include entirely healthy
individuals suffering serious, often fatal, injuries including transverse myelitis resulting in
quadriplegia, pneumocystis pneumonia, multi-system organ failure, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis,
post-partum hemorrhagic shock and septic shock, and disseminated CMV and CMV viremia.
Dr. Lee’s clinical observations are particularly troubling because, as she explains, “it
appears statistically improbable that any one physician should witness this many Covid-19 vaccine
injuries if the federal health authority claims regarding Covid-19 vaccine safety were accurate” and
that she has “spoken with colleagues who have also had similar experiences.”
bigtoughralf wrote:HitRed's neighbour might potentially have gone on to commit a sex crime later in their life, and their death has prevented that. We can never look at one single event and declare it good or bad, we know too little about that one event's place within Tao.
Also if HR's neighbour dies of Covid then they're almost certainly a) also unvaccinated and/or b) weak.
This is a pro-choice post! Kill the babies in womb before they commit sex crimes!
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
bigtoughralf wrote:One of Tom Cruise's better movies tbf
agree
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
Dukasaur wrote:Cave man eats cantaloupe. There is a thunderstorm. Cave man's shaman concludes, "to avoid thunderstorms, never eat cantaloupe."
Man gets shot in head.
Bullet enters cerebral cortex and explodes.
Shards of lead cross the metencephalon.
Dukasur notes that man ate at KFC twice a day so we can't be sure he didn't die of high cholesterol.
Dukasaur wrote:Doctor vaccinates patient. Patient (who probably ate Hot Pockets for decades) develops cerebral thrombosis. Saxi concludes....
You seem to be under the impression my name is Dr. Patricia Lee.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Dukasaur wrote:Cave man eats cantaloupe. There is a thunderstorm. Cave man's shaman concludes, "to avoid thunderstorms, never eat cantaloupe."
Man gets shot in head.
Bullet enters cerebral cortex and explodes.
Shards of lead cross the metencephalon.
Dukasur notes that man ate at KFC twice a day so we can't be sure he didn't die of high cholesterol.
Dukasaur wrote:Doctor vaccinates patient. Patient (who probably ate Hot Pockets for decades) develops cerebral thrombosis. Saxi concludes....
You seem to be under the impression my name is Dr. Patricia Lee.
I thought your name was Linda Searcy?
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
Dukasaur wrote:Cave man eats cantaloupe. There is a thunderstorm. Cave man's shaman concludes, "to avoid thunderstorms, never eat cantaloupe."
Doctor vaccinates patient. Patient (who probably ate Hot Pockets for decades) develops cerebral thrombosis. Saxi concludes....
These are more examples of saxi's BAD use of Logic. Then saxi tries to put lipstick on the PIG of his Bad Logic and now we have UGLY Bad Logic and an upset sow.
Dukasaur wrote:Cave man eats cantaloupe. There is a thunderstorm. Cave man's shaman concludes, "to avoid thunderstorms, never eat cantaloupe."
Man gets shot in head.
Bullet enters cerebral cortex and explodes.
Shards of lead cross the metencephalon.
Dukasur notes that man ate at KFC twice a day so we can't be sure he didn't die of high cholesterol.
Dukasaur wrote:Doctor vaccinates patient. Patient (who probably ate Hot Pockets for decades) develops cerebral thrombosis. Saxi concludes....
You seem to be under the impression my name is Dr. Patricia Lee.
Try to stick with the syntax of the analogy. You're the shaman, not the cave man.
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.”
― Voltaire
A new study in the UK shows that vaccinated persons over age 30 are more likely to contract COVID-19 than unvaccinated persons. Of course, the response will be "yeah, but, it won't be as serious." For now. With vaccine immunity waning and even BioNTech saying the vaccines will be useless by 2022, we're about to enter symptomatic parity: the vaccinated will be more likely to catch COVID-19 and their symptoms will be just as bad as the unvaccinated.
This is truly going to be a 2022 of the crippled, Frankenvaxxed, versus the still functional BioPure. The BioPure will have to keep society running since the Frankenvaxxed will be too disabled to do so.
In the next six months, things are gonna start to get real.
saxitoxin wrote:
In the next six months, things are gonna start to get real.
Haven’t you been saying some variation on this theme for more than a decade?
I recall saying that if the USA attacked Libya there would be no birth of democracy but a collapse of North Africa into anarchy. And I recall everyone saying "you don't know what you're talking about. You just like dictators. Democracy will prevail."
I recall saying that if the USA attacked Syria all it would do is prolong their Civil War and Field Marshal Assad would outlast any U.S. president. And I recall everyone saying "you don't know what you're talking about. You just like dictators. Democracy will prevail."
I recall saying that when the USA withdrew from Afghanistan the Taliban would take power in the space of minutes. And I recall everyone saying "you don't know what you're talking about. You just like dictators. Democracy will prevail."
Imagine the state of confusion in which I'm forced to live by you people when I grace you with my presence and, despite my track record of geopolitical prophecy, you keep refusing to heed it.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:
In the next six months, things are gonna start to get real.
Haven’t you been saying some variation on this theme for more than a decade?
I recall saying that if the USA attacked Libya there would be no birth of democracy but a collapse of North Africa into anarchy. And I recall everyone saying "you don't know what you're talking about. You just like dictators. Democracy will prevail."
I recall saying that if the USA attacked Syria all it would do is prolong their Civil War and Field Marshal Assad would outlast any U.S. president. And I recall everyone saying "you don't know what you're talking about. You just like dictators. Democracy will prevail."
I recall saying that when the USA withdrew from Afghanistan the Taliban would take power in the space of minutes. And I recall everyone saying "you don't know what you're talking about. You just like dictators. Democracy will prevail."
Imagine the state of confusion in which I'm forced to live by you people when I grace you with my presence and, despite my track record of geopolitical prophecy, you keep refusing to heed it.
You just like dictators.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
Look at the summary and you can ignore suxi again claiming the "Sky if falling" and the "COVID Vaccines are NOT effective."
Note that I am USING THE SAME source that he cites and apparently he draws wrong and different conclusions versus the researchers who wrote the report that suxi cites. He AGAIN is proven wrong and that he lies and misleads. What # is that? Lie # 125..??
Effectiveness against symptomatic disease
Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic COVID-19 has been assessed in England based on
community testing data linked to vaccination data from the National Immunisation Management
System (NIMS), cohort studies such as the COVID Infection Survey and GP electronic health
record data. After 2 doses, observed vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with
the Delta variant reaches approximately 65 to 70% with AstraZeneca Vaxzevria and 80 to 95%
with Pfizer-BioNTech Comirnaty and Moderna Spikevax (3, 4) Vaccine effectiveness is
generally slightly higher in younger compared to older age groups. With both Vaxzevria and and
Comirnaty, there is evidence of waning of protection over time, most notably among older
adults. There is not yet enough follow-up with Spikevax to assess waning (3).
Effectiveness against hospitalisation
Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older all of
which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the
Alpha variant (7, 8, 9, 10). Effectiveness against hospitalisation of over 90% is also observed
with the Delta variant with all 3 vaccines (3). In most groups there is relatively limited waning of
protection against hospitalisation over a period of at least 5 months after the second dose.
Greater waning appears to occur among those in clinical risk groups (3).
Effectiveness against mortality
High levels of protection (over 90%) are also seen against mortality with all 3 vaccines and
against both the Alpha and Delta variants (7, 11, 3). Relatively limited waning of protection
against mortality is seen over a period of at least 5 months.
Effectiveness against infection
Although individuals may not develop symptoms of COVID-19 after vaccination, it is possible
that they could still be infected with the virus and could transmit to others. Understanding how
effective vaccines are at preventing infection is therefore important to predict the likely impact of
the vaccination programme on the wider population. In order to estimate vaccine effectiveness
against infection, repeat asymptomatic testing of a defined cohort of individuals is required.
Studies have now reported on vaccine effectiveness against infection in healthcare workers,
care home residents and the general population (12, 13, 14, 15). With the delta variant, vaccine
effectiveness against infection has been estimated at around 65% with Vaxzevria and 80% with
Comirnaty (4).
FDA-approved Chantix was being sold as "safe and effective" for four years before, last month, Pfizer admitted it actually gave people the cancer. Pfizer jabbed people up with cancer-causing Chantix when it had unlimited liability for injury.
Pfizer has $0 in liability for injury from its COVID-19 vaccine.
So, uh, yeah ... "saxi, why don't you just trust Pfizer?"
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
