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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby betiko on Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:45 am

saxitoxin wrote:As the whole nation prays for his recovery tonight, the Chief has just tweeted a message of hope, inspiration, and love.

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Biden and his Rats immediately responded by savagely calling for his demise.

When we go high, they go low. Stay classy, Rats!


Trump dying in great suffering would be the funniest thing everafter all he said. I just hope a lot of people would get the opportunity to visit him in the hospital to laugh at his dying face.

Ding dong, the witch is dead, the witch is dead!

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:23 am

degaston wrote:You actually believe this? What media are you watching that you seem to have no idea how disgraceful and violent the right can be?
Speaker At Trump Rally Says He Hopes Hillary Clinton Dies In A Fiery Car Crash (VIDEO)
And it's not just rhetoric:
'Explosive devices' sent to Clinton, Obama, CNN, and other US officials

Um. Your first article is in reference to a movie (video on YouTube has been removed) and the person referenced makes no mention of any sort of death. Your second article says that explosive devices were sent to some Democrat officials, in which the President and his family condemned the actions of whoever (still unknown who send the dangerous packages) sent the packages.

President Donald Trump said that these threats "have no place in America".

The US President's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr, who received a suspicious package at his New York home earlier this year, tweeted: "As someone whose family has directly been the victim of these mail threats I condemn whoever did this regardless of party or ideology."

His sister, Ivanka Trump, also condemned the "acts of violence", while First Lady Melania Trump called them "cowardly", adding "I strongly condemn all that choose violence".

Do you even read the articles you post, or do you just assume the headline is true and believe unhinged conspiracy theories?

Also, if you want to really play that game, was it a far-left person who sent Trump a package with ricin a few weeks ago? At this point, NO. We don't know. We don't assume things based off little to no facts.

So no, in both your stories, a "far-right" person did not actually say they wish Hillary were dead, and a "far-right" person did not send dangerous packages to some high-level Democrat personnel.

degaston wrote:No, let's not. I don't think Hillary said or did anything close to Trump's threat to jail his political opponent.
Trump on Clinton: ‘Lock her up is right’
Michael Flynn Led a 'Lock Her Up' Chant at the Republican Convention.

We will only look at the first one because this is about Trump and Hillary, not other people. I don't think you want to open that one up. Many people smeared Trump as a "Nazi" so let's end that right there.

You can make an argument that Trump is more insensitive, more rude, and more brash in how he talks, but you can't say that Hillary never said or did anything close to what he said. Simply untrue.

degaston wrote:I would agree with that statement, but it's pretty clear that your point was that you think only liberals do that.

You still missed the entire point. Liberal does not mean far-left, and Conservative does not mean far-right. You missed the word "mostly." You have extremists on both sides, but the far-right extremists are much smaller in numbers compared to far-left extremists. Far-right extremists are mostly condemned by everybody, but the far-left extremists have been yet to be condemned by many of the Democrats (such as Antifa and BLM).

degaston wrote:So which one's are untrue, and which one's are just unproven?

For example, do the checks signed by Donald Trump (aka "Individual 1") to Michael Cohen as repayment for hush money to keep his unfaithfulness out of the news constitute proof that he cheats on his wife, lies about not knowing about it, and violated federal election laws? Or do you only accept that something is proven if someone is convicted in court? (Kind of difficult when Barr/The Justice Department won't even allow this President to be investigated.)

The burden is not on me to disprove allegations that are yet to be backed up. I'll state my opinion on what I think is untrue and unproven and what I think is pure opinion/subjecture. However, this does not serve as a check on your statement because at this point we are just talking opinion since you never really stated any sources to back your claims up.

  • Trump has lowered the national discourse to previously unimaginable depths - Opinion.
  • He mocks the disabled - Which disabled person?
  • sexually assaults women - Who did he sexually assault?
  • supports racists - Which racist does he support?
  • thinks our soldiers are suckers and losers - When did he say our troops were losers?
  • lies - Opinion.
  • cheats - What has he cheated?
  • steals - Who has he stolen from?
  • ignores laws - Which laws has he ignored?
  • attempts to extort political help from a foreign leader - Which leader has he extorted from?
  • takes the word of brutal, murderous dictators over our own intelligence agencies - Which dictator did he trust?
  • etc, etc, etc. - Please, tell us more.

Pretty much everything above is echoed by the MSM, and if you believe everything they say, then of course I can see why your opinions are that Trump is an evil bastard. Your ideas have been formed for you.

Do this for me. Answer these questions with your own sources, and then we can start on a path where I either agree with what you say, or disagree and provide my sources as a counter to your argument.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:51 am

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mookiemcgee wrote:The far-right ideologists don't think they can make whatever statement they want with no repercussions?

Is saxi your only example? lol :mrgreen:



Why would I ignore the biggest offender lol? I'm not going to dig... if we are being honest we both know both sides have far-sided ideologists who say extreme and insulting things, I'm pretty confident I could put the name karel in search and come up with some doosies about Obama.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:33 pm

Thousands of Americans have flocked to Bethesda and are keeping a vigil outside Walter Reed Hospital.



A national hour of prayer has been declared for Saturday night for the whole of the nation to engage in focused prayer for the President. At 8:45 p.m. EST all Americans are to stop what they're doing and pray for Donald Trump.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... medium=RSS

An in-person prayer vigil was held this morning in Washington organized by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Further, on Sunday, all churches of all denominations have been asked to direct their sermons to preach the good news of Donald Trump.

https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2020/10 ... ovid-test/

Meanwhile, in a statement, the White House has confirmed the president continues to be in total control of the nation and the government is operating normally at COGCON Condition 4.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:34 pm

mookiemcgee wrote:Why would I ignore the biggest offender lol?


the BIGGEST, BADDEST, JUICIEST, and NASTIEST offender
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 03, 2020 12:42 pm

More calls to unite in prayer and meditative concentration on Donald Trump, his word and the good news he brings with him.

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Kanye West has confirmed he is joining in the national prayer for Donald Trump and that he is a believer in the good news brought to Earth by Donald Trump. All of America must unite under the name of Jesus to support Donald Trump.

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Thank you, Kanye and Kim for praying for President Trump!

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby 2dimes on Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:29 pm

Why are they in Wyoming?
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby riskllama on Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:22 pm

working on a new C&W inspired raps album, maybe?
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Oct 03, 2020 3:53 pm

I like quiet rural areas it does not seem like their sort of place.
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Postby riskllama on Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:22 pm

maybe he bought it...*shrugs*
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:41 pm

Bought the farm?
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Postby riskllama on Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:43 pm

could be, yep.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:09 pm

Kanye is officially a resident of Wyoming. He lives on a ranch there except when he has to record in which case he's back in Helliphornia.

Here's his ranch ---

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Here he is with his tractor working the ranch -

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:21 pm

Great news! President Trump just posted a video message that he is feeling fine now and will be ordering his own discharge in a few days and returning to the White House.

    Key Quotes:

    "The First Lady is really handling it very nicely. You may have read that she's slightly younger than me. Just a little bit. And she's handling it the way we would expect for her age group."

    "I have to get back because we still have to Make America Great Again."

    "I had no choice but to come here. I just didn't want to stay in the White House. They gave me that alternative - stay in the White House, lock yourself in, don't go to the Oval Office. Stay home and enjoy yourself. But I couldn't do that. I have to be out front and leading. This is the United States, the most powerful country in the world. I can't be locked up in a room upstairs."

    "This has happened to millions of people all over the world. I'm fighting for them. Not just in the U.S. but all over the world."


Meanwhile, frail and elderly Biden continues to do nothing but hide in his basement in Delaware dreaming of 14 year old girls, taking his various medications, and eating soup.

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby 2dimes on Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:30 pm

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Meanwhile, frail and elderly Biden continues to do nothing but hide in his basement in Delaware dreaming of 14 year old girls, taking his various medications, and eating soup.



That looks like you telling the guys at work what you did on the weekend.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby riskllama on Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:47 pm

i bet they have a sweet VR golf set up @ Walter Reed for him - thoughts & prayers... O:)
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:00 am

Caring Americans can now send prayers to the president by texting BLESS to 88022. This will generate a link to make a donation to Trump 2020 and the more blesses sent, the better President Trump will feel. Texting BLESS will also enable your phone to receive important, daily SMS updates about the latest buffoonery Slow Joe has managed to stumble into as well as critical information about Democrat Party attempts to rig the election and destroy the country.

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby Keefie on Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:03 am

Feb: "This is like the flu"
Mar: "I'm not concerned at all"
Apr: "light at the end of the tunnel"
May: "we have prevailed"
Jun: "It's going away"
Jul: "we are in a good place"
Aug: "it is what it is"
Sep: "we have rounded the final turn"
Oct: OMG IT'S THE PLAGUE!
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby ConfederateSS on Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:16 am

Keefie wrote:Feb: "This is like the flu"
Mar: "I'm not concerned at all"
Apr: "light at the end of the tunnel"
May: "we have prevailed"
Jun: "It's going away"
Jul: "we are in a good place"
Aug: "it is what it is"
Sep: "we have rounded the final turn"
Oct: OMG IT'S THE PLAGUE!..... Wait, Billionaires can catch it :?: ...But Look God,I have lots of money...Let's talk... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ;)
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:02 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:I wouldn't wear that shirt due to the rude language on it. It's wrong.

I also wouldn't screech "poetic justice" if Biden got COVID-19 because that minimizes the value of his life (even if I don't think he is a very good person). It's wrong.

Seems to me like a large amount of people in this post have double standards. The far-left ideology thinks they can make whatever statement they want with no repercussions. "Rules for thee, but not for me" the expression goes.

LOL. Every day I see Trumpists making death threats on social media to people who disagree with them. I've never seen a leftist making death threats, although I'm not surprised that some would take vicarious pleasure in seeing the most wicked man on the planet suffer from a disease which he has called a hoax and to which he deliberately subjected others.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:21 pm

Dukasaur wrote:LOL. Every day I see Trumpists making death threats on social media to people who disagree with them. I've never seen a leftist making death threats, although I'm not surprised that some would take vicarious pleasure in seeing the most wicked man on the planet suffer from a disease which he has called a hoax and to which he deliberately subjected others.

Not trying to sound snarky here, but do you even read my posts at all (look at the only link in the entire post)? I truly want to know.
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Oct 04, 2020 4:26 pm

Dukasaur wrote:I've never seen a leftist making death threats


Police investigating death threat on Republican congressman from retired Arizona teacher

A retired teacher is under investigation for allegedly leaving a death threat on an Arizona congressman’s voicemail over the holiday weekend.

The Arizona Daily Independent reports U.S. Rep. Paul Gosar’s staffer found a message saying that, because Gosar supports President Donald Trump, “I think it’s totally OK for me to come with my gun and shoot you in the head.”

Gosar said on Twitter Sunday that “violence against conservatives is trickling down from Antifa street mobs to the ‘red for ed’ socialists” and that he was informed of an investigation into the woman.

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:18 pm

Wow!

Trump just announced through a teaser trailer to his 87 million Twitter followers that he was going to do a drive-by visit to the thousands of supporters who have surrounded Walter Reed hospital to maintain a constant prayer vigil. He gave the teaser with just 5 minutes notice! All Americans are encouraged to follow Donald Trump on Twitter to get new bonus announcements and special features as they happen, plus the potential for surprise guests and random prize drawings. It's also been suggested there may even be episodes in which medical pros join the president to analyze the problems with Biden's brain and his cognitive decline.



Sure enough, 5 minutes later he did a drive-by before returning to Walter Reed!



Meanwhile, another national call to prayer was issued for Americans of all ethnicities, religions, and party affiliation to join in kneeling to pray for the eternal health of Donald Trump.

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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby riskllama on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:26 pm

random prize drawings? that's still not sweetening the deal for me. in fact, it kinda sorta smacks of desperation... :?
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Re: U.S. Pres. Trump and 1st Lady...Covid-19 ... Positive...

Postby Dukasaur on Sun Oct 04, 2020 6:27 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:The burden is not on me to disprove allegations that are yet to be backed up. I'll state my opinion on what I think is untrue and unproven and what I think is pure opinion/subjecture. However, this does not serve as a check on your statement because at this point we are just talking opinion since you never really stated any sources to back your claims up.

When someone says, "the sky is blue", do you demand that he produce citations to prove it. If someone says, "the earth is round", do you demand that he produce the figures where he calculated the curvature?

  • Trump has lowered the national discourse to previously unimaginable depths - Opinion.
    I'll grant you that one, simply because of the word "unimaginable". It's pretty difficult to define what is imaginable. But can you name any national-level politician in the history of the United States who has ever been so vulgar and offensive and outright rude to others?
  • He mocks the disabled - Which disabled person?
    The most famous incident, of course, is his mocking of Serge F. Kovaleski. Most people are impressed that someone has overcome arthrogryposis and gone on to become a respected newsman, winner of a Pulitzer Prize and a George Polk award. For Trump, it's just a way to score a vulgar jab.
  • sexually assaults women - Who did he sexually assault?
    Take your pick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations Ivana Trump. Cathy Heller. Summer Zervos. Cassandra Seares. Amy Dorris. Any of the others on the list.
  • supports racists - Which racist does he support?
    This is a difficult one. A great many alt-right characters have supported Donald Trump. Don Black, David Riden, William Johnson, Richard Spencer, Ilana Mercer, and about a dozen others have endorsed Trump. It's difficult to prove that he welcomes the endorsements, since he doesn't make it explicit. He has not, however, criticized or repudiated any of these extremists, even the ones who have spoken at his rallies and worked for his campaign. Johnson was scheduled to be a Trumpist delegate at the 2016 RNC. After the media shone a spotlight on his extremist views, the Trump campaign tried to claim that he was included on the delegates' list through a clerical error. Leaked correspondance, however, shows that he was welcomed by Team Trump, and would no doubt have gone off to the RNC to spread his white power message if the media had not exposed him. The most telling bit of evidence, however, is the "Trump Effect", the massive surge in hate crimes following Trump's rise to power.
  • thinks our soldiers are suckers and losers - When did he say our troops were losers?
    In 2018, when refusing to go to the Aisne-Marne cemetary, Trump is reported to have said "Why should I go to a cemetary? It's full of losers." When the story was first published in the Atlantic, Trump was swift to deny it, but the story has since been verified by three other major news outlets.
  • lies - Opinion.
    If it's opinion, it's the most exhaustively-documented opinion of all time. This list shows that Trump passed the 20,000 mark in July. I've heard that he passed the 25,000 mark recently, although I can't find a citation for it. Basically a lie every waking hour since he became president. And yes, of course many on the list are duplicates. Some are lies that he's repeated hundreds of times. Others only a few. Even accounting for duplicates, it's a staggering body of dishonesty.
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  • cheats - What has he cheated?
    Um, thousands upon thousands of people? The one I find most personally offensive is the Trump "University" scam. In this classic bait-and-switch scam, people were persuaded to buy seminars in which they expected to learn about real estate. Instead of being taught anything, they were then told they had to buy a more expensive package before they would learn anything. The whole point of each seminar was to up-sell them to the next seminar, and so on, until they ran out of money. At no point were they taught anything about real estate. We're not talking a few hundred dollars, but tens of thousands. I don't so much mind Trump's real estate scams, in which he was mainly ripping off other businessmen who ought to have known better than to deal with him. But in the Trump University scam, he was ripping off working class people, desperate to improve their lives. By way of citation, I could use any of the hundreds of published descriptions, but instead here's the sworn affidavit of one of the Trump "University" salesmen.
  • steals - Who has he stolen from?
    I don't know where you want to draw the line between cheating and stealing. Here's a grab-bag of some of Trump's lesser swindles: https://theweek.com/articles/783976/brief-history-trumps-smalltime-swindles
  • ignores laws - Which laws has he ignored?
    Again, pick your choice. Most famously, his many violations of the emoluments clause. https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/profiting-off-the-presidency-trumps-violations-of-the-emoluments-clauses/
  • attempts to extort political help from a foreign leader - Which leader has he extorted from?
    Oh for god's sakes, are you serious? Volodymyr Zelensky? Have you heard of him?
  • takes the word of brutal, murderous dictators over our own intelligence agencies - Which dictator did he trust?
    Vladimir Putin? Getting a little bored with this pretend-ignorance routine.
  • etc, etc, etc. - Please, tell us more.
    Or how about you come out of your Fox News bubble and pay attention to what's happening in the real world?

Jdsizzleslice wrote:Do this for me. Answer these questions with your own sources, and then we can start on a path where I either agree with what you say, or disagree and provide my sources as a counter to your argument.

I don't know if degaston is going to reply. Maybe he will, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't bother. You may think you're being awfully clever by demanding citations of things that are basic common knowledge, but all you are doing is preventing meaningful debate. For the record, I spent two hours and eleven minutes coming up for citations to answer your questions, almost all of which I suspect you knew the answer to before you asked. It just so happens that I had two hours and eleven minutes that I wasn't planning to use productively (probably would have played some pointless video game if I hadn't been writing) so it wasn't much of a loss. But in most cases and for most people, that would have simply been the end of any two-way communication whatsoever. When you demand proof of such basic things (Trump's lies and swindles are well enough documented to be in "the sky is blue" or "the earth is round" territory) you are basically saying that the person you are speaking to has nothing better to do. It's not just insulting, but a real roadblock to communication.
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