Vile 'British' youths

[mrswdk]

If you think my name belongs alongside Bern's and NP's no a list of three then you need new reading glasses.

[The ram]

Well good on you for taking care of your folks. Lots of people wouldn't and it is / can be so fucking hard. Lost my mom a short while ago

On a related note, THAT was a topic one of our resident douche canoes got a ban over, much like the recent Bern, NP, and Mr. For some reason these trolls just thrive on the pain of real people. Must be a basement mold induced drain bamage....

Good luck manno....

I remember Bernie getting that ban but he came back. I wonder what he got banned for this time. And nomad patriot disappeared without anyone mentioning why he got banned.

Dukasaur banned me for making this thread, can you believe that? The reason he gave was that I have a bias of showing crimes committed by people of colour and a long established history of racism. And yet, Shimmy the troll can post praising Islamic terrorists and he does nothing. The amount of people visiting the site has went from just under 5k to just under 15k during the last 2 month of the covid 19 pandemic, and yet not one new member has been seen in this forum.

Maybe it's time to make some changes here, freshen the place up. It really doesn't feel like a neutral and free forum. And I won't be the only one to notice that.

[mrswdk]

mrswdk: *posts thread celebrating the start of Ramadan*

the ram:

Shimmy the troll can post praising Islamic terrorists and [Dukasaur] does nothing.

[mrswdk]

You make a good point though. With 10k new users in the space of the past month, do we really want one of the first things they see to be a subforum full of the ram's insane rants about rivers of blood?

[KoolBak]

NP was banned, I believe, after his implied threat that he was going to come to my home / place of business to cause harm....so he wanted to visit the most well armed old redneck in town. Be a poor choice

[BoganGod]

NP was banned, I believe, after his implied threat that he was going to come to my home / place of business to cause harm....so he wanted to visit the most well armed old redneck in town. Be a poor choice

Toxic brah, a well-armed redneck, that is like a trailer queen's toothy smile a thing of chilling beauty.

[BoganGod]

Well good on you for taking care of your folks. Lots of people wouldn't and it is / can be so fucking hard. Lost my mom a short while ago

On a related note, THAT was a topic one of our resident douche canoes got a ban over, much like the recent Bern, NP, and Mr. For some reason these trolls just thrive on the pain of real people. Must be a basement mold induced drain bamage....

Good luck manno....

I remember Bernie getting that ban but he came back. I wonder what he got banned for this time. And nomad patriot disappeared without anyone mentioning why he got banned.

Dukasaur banned me for making this thread, can you believe that? The reason he gave was that I have a bias of showing crimes committed by people of colour and a long established history of racism. And yet, Shimmy the troll can post praising Islamic terrorists and he does nothing. The amount of people visiting the site has went from just under 5k to just under 15k during the last 2 month of the covid 19 pandemic, and yet not one new member has been seen in this forum.

Maybe it's time to make some changes here, freshen the place up. It really doesn't feel like a neutral and free forum. And I won't be the only one to notice that.

Pointing out that certain groups do certain things, tsk tsk, please don't mention hate facts.
In the US the bs lying narrative is, the black man is downtrodden and doesn't get a fair run at things. Let us save the poor African American with our charity which is a barbed hook that keeps him in a dependent state. White liberals are super racist, and get sexual satisfaction from feeling guilty. Racist against asians, forget Trump calling Covid the Chinese virus(it is), how about Harvard putting limits on Asian students...... Giving places to people born and raised in the US who even with a language and cultural advantage can't do as well or better than a Chinese teen who came to America not speaking English at 11, and topped her high school class. Forget Asians, Indians, Africans, it is African Americans that white liberals try to treat like pets, not expecting much from, making excuses for, excuses they would not accept or offer for any other group. Native Americans are in a much worse position than African Americans, though they can be thankful that their community hasn't been adopted by white "saviours".

Meanwhile in the same ultra racist, naughty and horribly racist United States, nigeran and Caribbean immigrants are amongst the most successful groups per capita......... Are they all Uncle Toms? They start with hardly anything in a poor nation(not so poor my mother and aunt were visiting professors in Nigeria for a few months the past few years, Nigeria prizes and values education, the US doesn't, just charges a lot for a shit degree with no job prospects), yet manage to be more successful in America than a majority of the population, how is that if black people need special treatment because they can't achieve?

Black people, none of the BS coloured person, or person of colour..... White is colour, so saying person of colour is rather confusing and just stupid. Black people are more than capable of achieving, Nigerian, Ethiopians, Sengalese, Haitians, etc all prove that. Maybe African Americans have too much white blood? Maybe Oprah, Denzel, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Beyonce, Rhiana, Colin Powell, Thomas Sowell, Morgan Freeman, maybe they are really white? How did they become successful, it wasn't from liberals coddling them.... Adversity builds resilience.

I grew up Seventh Day Adventist, my hero growing up was Dr Ben Carson, many Seventh Day Adventist kids wanted to be him. Seventh Day Adventist kids of all colours wanted to be him.

I'm an equal opportunity hate fact quoter.

White people lead the world at serial killing, white colour crime(nigerans, and Indians are catching up fast, Japanese have parity), matricide, tax evasion, white people are at a disadvantage on sporting fields.

I've got more folks, much more, but I might let your butts sooth after those triggering truth bombs.

I actively seek to not employ white people, in Sth Wstn Sydney they often have a poor work ethic, a sikh gent manages one of my shops, I advertise for entry level staff including in the advert - Punjabi and Hindi Speaking is an advantage........ Not discriminating against whites, but not likely to find a white person who speaks both or even one of those languages.

[The ram]

You make a good point though. With 10k new users in the space of the past month, do we really want one of the first things they see to be a subforum full of the ram's insane rants about rivers of blood?

I haven't posted at all during the period of growth. Shall we count how many threads you've made during this period that had 0 replies?

[BoganGod]

You make a good point though. With 10k new users in the space of the past month, do we really want one of the first things they see to be a subforum full of the ram's insane rants about rivers of blood?

I haven't posted at all during the period of growth. Shall we count how many threads you've made during this period that had 0 replies?

You’ll run out of fingers and toes even if you’re welsh.

[Lootifer]

White liberals are super racist, and get sexual satisfaction from feeling guilty.

Fucking aye we do.... uuuunnngh. Oooh yeah.

Meanwhile in the same ultra racist, naughty and horribly racist United States, nigeran and Caribbean immigrants are amongst the most successful groups per capita......... Are they all Uncle Toms? They start with hardly anything in a poor nation, yet manage to be more successful in America than a majority of the population, how is that if black people need special treatment because they can't achieve?

I like this.

I suspect when you talk about people pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, you are referring to high capability folk - intelligent and conscientious. Anybody with high capability will be fine in most countries in the world.

From my perspective, I think the issue is not one of race or whatever (although there is still a lot of unconscious bias in things like recruitment), but more that poor average capability folk struggle a lot more than well off average capability folk. I would speculate that while theres similar numbers of average capability in both camps, there is a disproportionate amount of black folk in the former category and similar disproportions of white folk in the latter (in a general sense, I am sure you can find 1000's of anecdotes to prove me wrong, but whatevs).

Finally, with all that said - it's easier to become high capability when you have good role models, plenty of basic necessities and other well studied conditions that correlate with success in your life. Again, it's the poor who often don't have these things, and for me that is the root of the problem.

[mrswdk]

You make a good point though. With 10k new users in the space of the past month, do we really want one of the first things they see to be a subforum full of the ram's insane rants about rivers of blood?

I haven't posted at all during the period of growth. Shall we count how many threads you've made during this period that had 0 replies?

Go for it. Let us know if you need any help with the arithmetic.

[BoganGod]

White liberals are super racist, and get sexual satisfaction from feeling guilty.

Fucking aye we do.... uuuunnngh. Oooh yeah.

Meanwhile in the same ultra racist, naughty and horribly racist United States, nigeran and Caribbean immigrants are amongst the most successful groups per capita......... Are they all Uncle Toms? They start with hardly anything in a poor nation, yet manage to be more successful in America than a majority of the population, how is that if black people need special treatment because they can't achieve?

I like this.

I suspect when you talk about people pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, you are referring to high capability folk - intelligent and conscientious. Anybody with high capability will be fine in most countries in the world.

From my perspective, I think the issue is not one of race or whatever (although there is still a lot of unconscious bias in things like recruitment), but more that poor average capability folk struggle a lot more than well off average capability folk. I would speculate that while theres similar numbers of average capability in both camps, there is a disproportionate amount of black folk in the former category and similar disproportions of white folk in the latter (in a general sense, I am sure you can find 1000's of anecdotes to prove me wrong, but whatevs).

Finally, with all that said - it's easier to become high capability when you have good role models, plenty of basic necessities and other well studied conditions that correlate with success in your life. Again, it's the poor who often don't have these things, and for me that is the root of the problem.

Are you trying to say that whites are more capable than blacks, and are so because of plenty of basic necessities...... Community expectations and culture drive success. A poor immigrant neighbourhood will generally do better than a poor "born n bred" neighbourhood. I was born overseas, grew up in non western nations, and really truly recognise how lucky I am. I've had to work bloody hard to be where I am now, and have a lot of privilege. All the privilege in the world will not protect against poor decision making ability and/or the willingness to learn from one's mistakes. At various times in my life I've had intelligence, majority, and attractiveness privilege. For extended periods of time I haven't had the later two. My parents commitment to education, willingness to parent consistently, marry before having children, and limit their amount of offspring so as to be able to invest more into each child really set me and my sibs up for success. Being home schooled, with a present father who played games with us and made learning fun put us at a massive advantage compared to our western raised peers with wage slave fathers.

Intergenerational wealth is relatively rare, rags to riches to rags is the more oft repeated story. Look at the amount of lotto winners who are broke within a decade or less. A strong, driven, successful man or women will often produce lazy, wastel children who fritter away anything left to them knowing only how to spend, not how to save or earn.

I know telling someone they are a victim, telling them that they have excuses to fail because their lives are so hard compared to others, is stupid and harmful. That just builds envy, learnt helplessness, and a towering case of resentment. A phrase heard repeated often on the right that needs to be assessed objectively as I think they are on to something, possibly for the wrong reasons, but learnt truth none the less. "The soft bigotry of low expectations" don't expect much from people from a disadvantaged background, grade them differently, set the bar lower for them, do that and you are a hateful bigot hell bent on destroying those you are "trying" to help.

So I will put my extra digits to use, I can count to at least 24

[mrswdk]

White liberals are super racist, and get sexual satisfaction from feeling guilty.

Fucking aye we do.... uuuunnngh. Oooh yeah.

Meanwhile in the same ultra racist, naughty and horribly racist United States, nigeran and Caribbean immigrants are amongst the most successful groups per capita......... Are they all Uncle Toms? They start with hardly anything in a poor nation, yet manage to be more successful in America than a majority of the population, how is that if black people need special treatment because they can't achieve?

I like this.

I suspect when you talk about people pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, you are referring to high capability folk - intelligent and conscientious. Anybody with high capability will be fine in most countries in the world.

From my perspective, I think the issue is not one of race or whatever (although there is still a lot of unconscious bias in things like recruitment), but more that poor average capability folk struggle a lot more than well off average capability folk. I would speculate that while theres similar numbers of average capability in both camps, there is a disproportionate amount of black folk in the former category and similar disproportions of white folk in the latter (in a general sense, I am sure you can find 1000's of anecdotes to prove me wrong, but whatevs).

Finally, with all that said - it's easier to become high capability when you have good role models, plenty of basic necessities and other well studied conditions that correlate with success in your life. Again, it's the poor who often don't have these things, and for me that is the root of the problem.

Are you trying to say that whites are more capable than blacks

lol

[heisenberg3390]

yep, I love {Mod edit (dk): Spam link removed} this game needs a lot of improvement to be very honest

[Lootifer]

Are you trying to say that whites are more capable than blacks, and are so because of plenty of basic necessities...... Community expectations and culture drive success. A poor immigrant neighbourhood will generally do better than a poor "born n bred" neighbourhood. I was born overseas, grew up in non western nations, and really truly recognise how lucky I am. I've had to work bloody hard to be where I am now, and have a lot of privilege. All the privilege in the world will not protect against poor decision making ability and/or the willingness to learn from one's mistakes. At various times in my life I've had intelligence, majority, and attractiveness privilege. For extended periods of time I haven't had the later two. My parents commitment to education, willingness to parent consistently, marry before having children, and limit their amount of offspring so as to be able to invest more into each child really set me and my sibs up for success. Being home schooled, with a present father who played games with us and made learning fun put us at a massive advantage compared to our western raised peers with wage slave fathers.

Intergenerational wealth is relatively rare, rags to riches to rags is the more oft repeated story. Look at the amount of lotto winners who are broke within a decade or less. A strong, driven, successful man or women will often produce lazy, wastel children who fritter away anything left to them knowing only how to spend, not how to save or earn.

I know telling someone they are a victim, telling them that they have excuses to fail because their lives are so hard compared to others, is stupid and harmful. That just builds envy, learnt helplessness, and a towering case of resentment. A phrase heard repeated often on the right that needs to be assessed objectively as I think they are on to something, possibly for the wrong reasons, but learnt truth none the less. "The soft bigotry of low expectations" don't expect much from people from a disadvantaged background, grade them differently, set the bar lower for them, do that and you are a hateful bigot hell bent on destroying those you are "trying" to help.

I don't really have time to debate, but good post. I don't have a lot to disagree with here. Although I suspect we might differ on solutions.

[mrswdk]

Are you trying to say that whites are more capable than blacks, and are so because of plenty of basic necessities...... Community expectations and culture drive success. A poor immigrant neighbourhood will generally do better than a poor "born n bred" neighbourhood. I was born overseas, grew up in non western nations, and really truly recognise how lucky I am. I've had to work bloody hard to be where I am now, and have a lot of privilege. All the privilege in the world will not protect against poor decision making ability and/or the willingness to learn from one's mistakes. At various times in my life I've had intelligence, majority, and attractiveness privilege. For extended periods of time I haven't had the later two. My parents commitment to education, willingness to parent consistently, marry before having children, and limit their amount of offspring so as to be able to invest more into each child really set me and my sibs up for success. Being home schooled, with a present father who played games with us and made learning fun put us at a massive advantage compared to our western raised peers with wage slave fathers.

Intergenerational wealth is relatively rare, rags to riches to rags is the more oft repeated story. Look at the amount of lotto winners who are broke within a decade or less. A strong, driven, successful man or women will often produce lazy, wastel children who fritter away anything left to them knowing only how to spend, not how to save or earn.

I know telling someone they are a victim, telling them that they have excuses to fail because their lives are so hard compared to others, is stupid and harmful. That just builds envy, learnt helplessness, and a towering case of resentment. A phrase heard repeated often on the right that needs to be assessed objectively as I think they are on to something, possibly for the wrong reasons, but learnt truth none the less. "The soft bigotry of low expectations" don't expect much from people from a disadvantaged background, grade them differently, set the bar lower for them, do that and you are a hateful bigot hell bent on destroying those you are "trying" to help.

I don't really have time to debate, but good post. I don't have a lot to disagree with here. Although I suspect we might differ on solutions.

I mean the 'inter-generational wealth doesn't get passed on' point is complete nonsense. Even in the countries with the highest social mobility in the world, the average poor person is not going to have children who go on to achieve even median wealth (and vice versa - the average wealthier family is not going to have children who end up with nothing):

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/ ... -mobility/

As for why first-generation immigrants may on average achieve more wealth than is average for their destination country, that is because first-generation immigrants to high-income countries tend to be younger, healthier and more highly educated than the average citizen of that country. For example, 69% of Sub-Saharan immigrants living in the US are tertiary educated:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018 ... tinations/

[BoganGod]

Are you trying to say that whites are more capable than blacks, and are so because of plenty of basic necessities...... Community expectations and culture drive success. A poor immigrant neighbourhood will generally do better than a poor "born n bred" neighbourhood. I was born overseas, grew up in non western nations, and really truly recognise how lucky I am. I've had to work bloody hard to be where I am now, and have a lot of privilege. All the privilege in the world will not protect against poor decision making ability and/or the willingness to learn from one's mistakes. At various times in my life I've had intelligence, majority, and attractiveness privilege. For extended periods of time I haven't had the later two. My parents commitment to education, willingness to parent consistently, marry before having children, and limit their amount of offspring so as to be able to invest more into each child really set me and my sibs up for success. Being home schooled, with a present father who played games with us and made learning fun put us at a massive advantage compared to our western raised peers with wage slave fathers.

Intergenerational wealth is relatively rare, rags to riches to rags is the more oft repeated story. Look at the amount of lotto winners who are broke within a decade or less. A strong, driven, successful man or women will often produce lazy, wastel children who fritter away anything left to them knowing only how to spend, not how to save or earn.

I know telling someone they are a victim, telling them that they have excuses to fail because their lives are so hard compared to others, is stupid and harmful. That just builds envy, learnt helplessness, and a towering case of resentment. A phrase heard repeated often on the right that needs to be assessed objectively as I think they are on to something, possibly for the wrong reasons, but learnt truth none the less. "The soft bigotry of low expectations" don't expect much from people from a disadvantaged background, grade them differently, set the bar lower for them, do that and you are a hateful bigot hell bent on destroying those you are "trying" to help.

I don't really have time to debate, but good post. I don't have a lot to disagree with here. Although I suspect we might differ on solutions.

I mean the 'inter-generational wealth doesn't get passed on' point is complete nonsense. Even in the countries with the highest social mobility in the world, the average poor person is not going to have children who go on to achieve even median wealth (and vice versa - the average wealthier family is not going to have children who end up with nothing):

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/ ... -mobility/

As for why first-generation immigrants may on average achieve more wealth than is average for their destination country, that is because first-generation immigrants to high-income countries tend to be younger, healthier and more highly educated than the average citizen of that country. For example, 69% of Sub-Saharan immigrants living in the US are tertiary educated:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018 ... tinations/

Immigrants(legal ones at least) are highly educated, and that coupled with ambition is the "secret" to their success. Intact families, choosing to have children only in marriages, limiting the number of children to invest more in each child, valuing education for their children, putting children first, all these are cultural advantages. United States born citizens are born into a culture of entitlement, low expectations of achievement, high expectations for mah money for existing, don't make excuses for inter generational failure.

Solid suggestions please to help people achieve, give them a net rather than a fish. Hand outs aren't working, preferential treatment merely shifts the discrimination on to asians, indians(pompadoms not pow wow chow) and black immigrants. Just giving people shit cos they exist, and I feel guilty they are having a shit time due mainly to poor choices just doesn't work, it only builds a grievance industry with a vested industry in keeping the pet project class in a shit position so they can be tended and coddled by the gracious, kind, and oh so compassionate white women....

I had an african american flat mate from chicago in inner city sydney 1999-2000, he had some pretty hard truth bombs about the born black experience in the USA. His spit balling about the causes of issues challenged many preconceived notions I had. Rewarding poor choices was a common theme, more specifically rewarding poor choices by black women. If your choices have no consequences for you, just for your children, local community and race, then if you are an entitled selfish wilfully stupid "queen" you will damage everything around you. Leaving others to pick up the pieces, as long as you have your weave.........
- Finish high school, or get a trade if leaving school early
- Don't have kids until you are married
Do those two things, and odds are you will have a good life.

[mrswdk]

Are you trying to say that whites are more capable than blacks, and are so because of plenty of basic necessities...... Community expectations and culture drive success. A poor immigrant neighbourhood will generally do better than a poor "born n bred" neighbourhood. I was born overseas, grew up in non western nations, and really truly recognise how lucky I am. I've had to work bloody hard to be where I am now, and have a lot of privilege. All the privilege in the world will not protect against poor decision making ability and/or the willingness to learn from one's mistakes. At various times in my life I've had intelligence, majority, and attractiveness privilege. For extended periods of time I haven't had the later two. My parents commitment to education, willingness to parent consistently, marry before having children, and limit their amount of offspring so as to be able to invest more into each child really set me and my sibs up for success. Being home schooled, with a present father who played games with us and made learning fun put us at a massive advantage compared to our western raised peers with wage slave fathers.

Intergenerational wealth is relatively rare, rags to riches to rags is the more oft repeated story. Look at the amount of lotto winners who are broke within a decade or less. A strong, driven, successful man or women will often produce lazy, wastel children who fritter away anything left to them knowing only how to spend, not how to save or earn.

I know telling someone they are a victim, telling them that they have excuses to fail because their lives are so hard compared to others, is stupid and harmful. That just builds envy, learnt helplessness, and a towering case of resentment. A phrase heard repeated often on the right that needs to be assessed objectively as I think they are on to something, possibly for the wrong reasons, but learnt truth none the less. "The soft bigotry of low expectations" don't expect much from people from a disadvantaged background, grade them differently, set the bar lower for them, do that and you are a hateful bigot hell bent on destroying those you are "trying" to help.

I don't really have time to debate, but good post. I don't have a lot to disagree with here. Although I suspect we might differ on solutions.

I mean the 'inter-generational wealth doesn't get passed on' point is complete nonsense. Even in the countries with the highest social mobility in the world, the average poor person is not going to have children who go on to achieve even median wealth (and vice versa - the average wealthier family is not going to have children who end up with nothing):

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/ ... -mobility/

As for why first-generation immigrants may on average achieve more wealth than is average for their destination country, that is because first-generation immigrants to high-income countries tend to be younger, healthier and more highly educated than the average citizen of that country. For example, 69% of Sub-Saharan immigrants living in the US are tertiary educated:

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018 ... tinations/

Immigrants(legal ones at least) are highly educated, and that coupled with ambition is the "secret" to their success. Intact families, choosing to have children only in marriages, limiting the number of children to invest more in each child, valuing education for their children, putting children first, all these are cultural advantages. United States born citizens are born into a culture of entitlement, low expectations of achievement, high expectations for mah money for existing, don't make excuses for inter generational failure.

The one thing in there that I do have data to hand for, and which you mentioned in an earlier post as well, is that thing about the size of immigrant families. In the UK, immigrant women (on average) have more children than UK-born women:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... wales/2018

Most of this 'immigrant v native' stuff sounds like a lot of sweeping generalisations based on anecdotal experience. Same goes for your 'my friend from Chicago' stuff.

[Lootifer]

Yes, that was going to be my one point - you need to make sure you don't assume the policy positions (and therefore opportunity) appropriate to the top 10% most capable in any one community are the same as the best policy positions for the general masses.

You tend to be talking about the top 10% when you suggest mobility is relatively easy, and it's about removing the cycle of dependency first and foremost. Remove support structures (welfare, etc.) and those 10% will most likely be fine - the benefits of genetic inheritance. But the dumb kids - white, black or whatever - are always going to find themselves in difficult position, and removing support structures isn't going to help them - most likely outcome is the welfare check will be swapped out for proceeds of crime.

I don't disagree current support structures are bad, but that probably mostly due to a hobbled political system - most jurisdictions find it very hard to pass anything but the most watered down policies because of the way democracy works (although as many a famous thinker has stated - its the best of a bad bunch) - not a fault on the people receiving them. Things like UBI (modern) or socialisation of services like education and health (traditional) are the obvious ways forward but these often require quite "radical" reforms...

[mrswdk]

most jurisdictions find it very hard to pass anything but the most watered down policies because of the way democracy works (although as many a famous thinker has stated - its the best of a bad bunch)

Sounds like the famous thinker coined a great mantra for getting people to accept a shitty system.

[Lootifer]

most jurisdictions find it very hard to pass anything but the most watered down policies because of the way democracy works (although as many a famous thinker has stated - its the best of a bad bunch)

Sounds like the famous thinker coined a great mantra for getting people to accept a shitty system.

Well, because we are all corrupt and/or stupid assholes, the "best" system is that which has the most checks and balances. Democracy is effectively a process for checks and balances, so it's kinda hard to beat.

[mrswdk]

most jurisdictions find it very hard to pass anything but the most watered down policies because of the way democracy works (although as many a famous thinker has stated - its the best of a bad bunch)

Sounds like the famous thinker coined a great mantra for getting people to accept a shitty system.

Well, because we are all corrupt and/or stupid assholes, the "best" system is that which has the most checks and balances. Democracy is effectively a process for checks and balances, so it's kinda hard to beat.

And having speed bumps every 10 meters is the most effective way of ensuring that no one ever drives faster than the speed limit.

[Lootifer]

Haha, love it. I mean you're not wrong...

[BoganGod]

Haha, love it. I mean you're not wrong...

Don't encourage and feed the single issue troll please. He/she/zir/b$ will be floating on a cloud for months after that compliment.

[Lootifer]

What's the single issue? That China isn't evil?