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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:10 am

President to consider Saxi's proposal to close Congress!

Earlier in this thread I called on President Trump to shut-down the Congress due to its inability to support the national recovery. Good news - the President has been reading Conquer Club! President Trump has given Congress one final warning to get its act together.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday threatened to do what no American president before him has done: Unilaterally adjourn Congress so that he can appoint his nominees to senior positions and the federal bench without Senate approval. Trump said he needed the ability to make recess appointments in order to appoint key officials to aid in the response to the coronavirus pandemic.

No president before has ever forcibly adjourned Congress. And while the Constitution does give the president that power, it only applies in limited circumstances, all of which are nearly unimaginable.

Asked whether there was a deadline for the Senate to approve more nominees, Trump dodged the question. “They know they’ve been warned and they’ve been warned right now,” Trump said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/trump-t ... ments.html


Enough is enough. The Democrats and some individuals among the Republicans have been foot-dragging and politicizing the emergency. It's time to put this nonsense to an end. The president has a popular mandate to successfully lead America through the China Virus. The American people are calling for decisive action and decisive action is impossible when trying to govern with 535 do-nothings wanting their 15 minutes of fame around every single decision. End this farce once and for all.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:00 am

It's called DEMOCRACY (as currently understood) and is the REASON that Trump was elected POTUS. Ridiculous posts such as this undermine your credibility.

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saxitoxin wrote:President to consider Saxi's proposal to close Congress!

Earlier in this thread I called on President Trump to shut-down the Congress due to its inability to support the national recovery. Good news - the President has been reading Conquer Club! President Trump has given Congress one final warning to get its act together.

President Donald Trump on Wednesday threatened to do what no American president before him has done: Unilaterally adjourn Congress so that he can appoint his nominees to senior positions and the federal bench without Senate approval. Trump said he needed the ability to make recess appointments in order to appoint key officials to aid in the response to the coronavirus pandemic.

No president before has ever forcibly adjourned Congress. And while the Constitution does give the president that power, it only applies in limited circumstances, all of which are nearly unimaginable.

Asked whether there was a deadline for the Senate to approve more nominees, Trump dodged the question. “They know they’ve been warned and they’ve been warned right now,” Trump said.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/trump-t ... ments.html


Enough is enough. The Democrats and some individuals among the Republicans have been foot-dragging and politicizing the emergency. It's time to put this nonsense to an end. The president has a popular mandate to successfully lead America through the China Virus. The American people are calling for decisive action and decisive action is impossible when trying to govern with 535 do-nothings wanting their 15 minutes of fame around every single decision. End this farce once and for all.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:22 am

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby mrswdk on Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:42 am

DoomYoshi wrote:https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/04/16/nhrc-security-operatives-enforcing-lockdown-kill-18


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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:03 pm

mrswdk wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/04/16/nhrc-security-operatives-enforcing-lockdown-kill-18


https://www.theguardian.com/global/vide ... ders-video


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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:08 pm

Can we trust the Chinese?

China Says It's Beating Coronavirus. But Can We Believe Its Numbers?

https://time.com/5813628/china-coronavirus-statistics-wuhan/

If you believe the Chinese authorities, the country’s battle against the novel coronavirus is all but won. But that claim is clouded by a fog of skewed data, political imperatives—and unreported cases and possibly deaths.

After several days of trumpeting just a handful of new COVID-19 cases, on Wednesday China once again switched up exactly what that means, and included asymptomatic infections of the coronavirus in its official statistics for the first time. The move follows criticism from health experts and the U.S. and other governments that it risked a resurgence of the deadly pandemic by downplaying the number of cases within its borders.

It was the eighth different definition of what constitutes a COVID-19 infection in China’s official statistics since the outbreak began in late December, with critics arguing that the lack of clarity has made it harder for other nations to adequately understand and prepare for the disease.

As ever for Beijing though, political considerations appear paramount. After China’s number of total infections was surpassed by the U.S. and other nations, the country was able to leverage its apparent success as a sign its harsh internal measures had bought others time, while assuaging anger at its initial bungling and cover-up of the outbreak that has so far claimed more than 42,000 lives around the globe. (Research by the University of Southampton suggests 95% of infections could have been avoided if China had acted three weeks earlier.)

Mainland China officially stands at 82,294 infections with 3,310 deaths. But it also had 1,441 asymptomatic COVID-19 patients under observation as of Monday, according to the National Health Commission. Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post newspaper reported March 22 that confidential documents indicate there were a total of 42,000 asymptomatic cases by the end of February that were excluded from official tallies.

Including those cases would mean China leapfrogs Italy and Spain back into second place overall for COVID-19 infections, though still behind the U.S., which had some 190,000 cases as of April 1.

But it’s just one of many concerns about official COVID-19 statistics in China. One study by six researchers from the University of Hong Kong found that 232,000 people in China may have been infected by Feb. 20, compared to the approximately 75,000 cases the country had officially reported on that date.


I am SHOCKED.....NOT...!

and:
China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says
Nick Wadhams and Jennifer Jacobs
April 1, 2020, 11:15 AM EDT Updated on April 1, 2020, 9:08 PM EDT

Report submitted to White House on China’s under-count

U.S. has publicly reported more than twice as many cases

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says


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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:21 pm

One more:

While the higher security lab in Wuhan has worked with coronaviruses, it does not appear that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention — the one close to the market — had published any research on the topic prior to the pandemic. Both labs, however, have studied viral samples sourced from bats. Virology research work often involves bats, a proposed source of the novel coronavirus’ transfer from animal to human, because they harbor a uniquely large reservoir of viruses compared to other mammals. Research on coronaviruses is an important focus of China’s scientific efforts ever since the 2002 SARS epidemic, which was also caused by a coronavirus.

The proximity of these labs to the Huanan seafood market and these labs’ history with at least tangentially related infectious disease research are the only factual elements to the “created-in-a-lab” theory that are undisputed, rather than speculative or rooted in false scientific claims. For example, it is factual to state that the Chinese government hid, downplayed, and misrepresented to its citizens and the world the threat posed by the novel coronavirus. It is speculative, however, to assert, as U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton did, that these actions were done to cover up a leak from a lab.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/01/ ... bioweapon/

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:33 pm

Capital Defenses Hardened!

Newsweek is reporting that Army and National Guard units are being recalled to Washington and placed under General Omar Jones IV who is now in charge of preparing to defend the capital city and protect President Trump if the Main Adversary attempts to take advantage of the current situation.

Activated on March 16, Joint Task Force National Capital Region (JTF-NCR) is chartered to defend Washington on land, in the air, and even on its waterfronts. The March 16 order that activated JTF-NCR placed all of this planning under the command of Maj. Gen. Omar J. Jones IV. Gen. Jones' battlefield is defined in U.S. law as the "National Capital Region," which includes the District of Columbia; Prince Georges and Montgomery Counties in Maryland; Arlington, Fairfax, Loudoun, and Prince William Counties in Virginia; and all cities and towns included within the outer boundaries of that area. The Pentagon plan for the Joint Task Force's operation says that the NCR houses all three branches of the Federal Government, over 270 federal departments and agencies, an inventory of over 880 government-owned and leased facilities and nearly 300,000 federal workers.

He and his fellow officers have been studying the Joint Emergency Evacuation Plan (JEEP), the national plan to move Defense Department officials to alternative locations outside the Washington area. JEEP is not the only plan. It is supplemented by Atlas as well, which designates the procedures for the movement of civilian leaders, called "Enduring Constitutional Government," ensuring the survival of the legislature and the judiciary. And above JEEP and Atlas are the highly classified Octagon, Freejack and Zodiac plans that deal with other emergencies.

On March 24, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued "Modification 1" to the general coronavirus response order exempting any military personnel engaged in "presidential support duties" and other secret contingencies of JTF-NCR from complying with no-travel rules.

Two days later, all "Immediate Response Force" and "Contingency Response Force" units of the military were moved to a higher level of alert to preserve their special military readiness. That included quick reaction infantry units from the 82nd Airborne Division at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, and the 101st Airborne Division from Ft. Campbell, Kentucky—units that would normally be rushed to the Middle East in some crisis. But tucked away in that same March 26 order were others assigned to JTF-NCR—including secret special operations units, the so-called "National Mission Force"—units that were directed to sequester in operational facilities and split up into multiple shifts, creating a primary and back-up group that would be available for immediate deployment. In theory the separate groups could avoid infecting the other. JTF-NCR has now been operating for one month under these special orders.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-wash ... re-1498276


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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:27 am

As Arthur Dent once said,
This must be some new definition of the word "safe" of which I was previously unaware".
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jusplay4fun on Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:08 am

With a few exceptions, most who have died in the USA are those:

1) live in the New York City metro area (with high population density and use of mass transit, that is likely one major source of the outbreak);

2) live in what I will call nursing home with residents who have 2 significant factors (old age and underlying health issues);

3) elderly (over 65);

4) with underlying health issues.

So we shut down most of the country for these relatively few situation and few people? Yes, every human life is important and there are tragic deaths everywhere. But to me, this is a bad case of the flu (influenza). And it SEEMS that many who have and carry Covid-19 are asymptomatic, meaning that they are carrying the disease and suffer no major symptoms. So many are not suffering and not likely to die from it, much less suffer serious symptoms. And we shut down the nation for THIS?

And now many tested carry the antibodies for the disease and have NO SYMPTOMS? So the disease is more widespread than we think? And we have these RELATIVELY small number of deaths and those ill from it?

It is time to discuss when the nation "opens up" and begins to return to a "more normal" situation.

The disease is BAD, but is it THAT BAD? Questions to ponder.......

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:27 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:With a few exceptions, most who have died in the USA are those:

1) live in the New York City metro area (with high population density and use of mass transit, that is likely one major source of the outbreak);

2) live in what I will call nursing home with residents who have 2 significant factors (old age and underlying health issues);

3) elderly (over 65);

4) with underlying health issues.

So we shut down most of the country for these relatively few situation and few people? Yes, every human life is important and there are tragic deaths everywhere. But to me, this is a bad case of the flu (influenza). And it SEEMS that many who have and carry Covid-19 are asymptomatic, meaning that they are carrying the disease and suffer no major symptoms. So many are not suffering and not likely to die from it, much less suffer serious symptoms. And we shut down the nation for THIS?

And now many tested carry the antibodies for the disease and have NO SYMPTOMS? So the disease is more widespread than we think? And we have these RELATIVELY small number of deaths and those ill from it?

It is time to discuss when the nation "opens up" and begins to return to a "more normal" situation.

The disease is BAD, but is it THAT BAD? Questions to ponder.......

The Prophet's Paradox. If you say, "repent or you shall all die" and they ignore you, you're a failure. But if they listen to you and repent, then nothing bad happens and they say you were full of shit.

Remember Y2K? People heeded the warnings. Everybody rushed to upgrade their computers. Nothing bad happened, and everyone is like "that was a bunch of hype about nothing." Today, Y2K has become a joke punchline. But what we don't know, what we can never know, is what would have happened if we ignored the warnings. If nobody upgraded their computers or their software, maybe indeed some of the disasters that were being discussed would have happened. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. The point is we can never know for sure. We can study it, we can make hypothetical scenarios, but we'll never know for sure.

What we do know is that most people have been very, very faithful about following the social distancing guidelines, and the death toll has not been as high as some projections. Is that because the projections were wrong, or is that because we have been so good about following the guidelines? We can never know with certainty.

Sorry, I have no answers for you. The questions you are asking are being asked by millions of people. None of them know with any certainty, either. At one extreme are those who will tolerate no risk and want to stay in the bunker until we're absolutely sure the bugs have gone. At the other extreme are those who don't give a shit and think they're ubermensh and are preaching that it will be good to cull the herd a bit. In between those extremes are the vast majority of people, cautiously optimistic but still optimistically cautious. Different countries are going to experiment with different ways to get back to normal, and in a while there will be better data to work with. No matter what, however, there will be a lot of "might have beens" that we will never know for sure.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:38 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:With a few exceptions, most who have died in the USA are those:

1) live in the New York City metro area (with high population density and use of mass transit, that is likely one major source of the outbreak);

2) live in what I will call nursing home with residents who have 2 significant factors (old age and underlying health issues);

3) elderly (over 65);

4) with underlying health issues.

So we shut down most of the country for these relatively few situation and few people? Yes, every human life is important and there are tragic deaths everywhere. But to me, this is a bad case of the flu (influenza). And it SEEMS that many who have and carry Covid-19 are asymptomatic, meaning that they are carrying the disease and suffer no major symptoms. So many are not suffering and not likely to die from it, much less suffer serious symptoms. And we shut down the nation for THIS?

And now many tested carry the antibodies for the disease and have NO SYMPTOMS? So the disease is more widespread than we think? And we have these RELATIVELY small number of deaths and those ill from it?

It is time to discuss when the nation "opens up" and begins to return to a "more normal" situation.

The disease is BAD, but is it THAT BAD? Questions to ponder.......

The Prophet's Paradox. If you say, "repent or you shall all die" and they ignore you, you're a failure. But if they listen to you and repent, then nothing bad happens and they say you were full of shit.

Remember Y2K? People heeded the warnings. Everybody rushed to upgrade their computers. Nothing bad happened, and everyone is like "that was a bunch of hype about nothing." Today, Y2K has become a joke punchline. But what we don't know, what we can never know, is what would have happened if we ignored the warnings. If nobody upgraded their computers or their software, maybe indeed some of the disasters that were being discussed would have happened. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. The point is we can never know for sure. We can study it, we can make hypothetical scenarios, but we'll never know for sure.

What we do know is that most people have been very, very faithful about following the social distancing guidelines, and the death toll has not been as high as some projections. Is that because the projections were wrong, or is that because we have been so good about following the guidelines? We can never know with certainty.

Sorry, I have no answers for you. The questions you are asking are being asked by millions of people. None of them know with any certainty, either. At one extreme are those who will tolerate no risk and want to stay in the bunker until we're absolutely sure the bugs have gone. At the other extreme are those who don't give a shit and think they're ubermensh and are preaching that it will be good to cull the herd a bit. In between those extremes are the vast majority of people, cautiously optimistic but still optimistically cautious. Different countries are going to experiment with different ways to get back to normal, and in a while there will be better data to work with. No matter what, however, there will be a lot of "might have beens" that we will never know for sure.


I think the current best answer is... Once there is a cheap mass produced fast test, things can open up quickly. Until, we can contact trace, and test when you enter large crowds (concerts,airports,malls ect) the scientists will argue the risk of a second spike is 'too high' to fully go back to normal. Obviously a cure/vaccine would do the trick also, but i think it's wishful thinking if you believe those will happen in less than 12 months. A test seems doable in a much shorter timeline provided there is political will to finance it.

The science is 'still out' on most definitive answers about the specific virus, but I also think there is some reason to be optimistic that over time some form of herd immunity will persist and even without a cure/vaccine it will over the course of several seasons/years actually become about as deadly or less deadly than the flu (but that is a long term prospect)
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby mookiemcgee on Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:40 am

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:16 am

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:25 am

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meh

Judging by the amount of grey in the hair of the dullards in that video, they'll all be dead by November so not too worried.

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby mookiemcgee on Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:00 pm

since this is turning into a thread about music videos...

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 pm

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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:16 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:


meh

Judging by the amount of grey in the hair of the dullards in that video, they'll all be dead by November so not too worried.



Why? Isn't the blessed Trump gonna keep us safe any more?
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:20 pm

Dukasaur wrote:


None of the lyrics in that song even rhymed.


jonesthecurl wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:


meh

Judging by the amount of grey in the hair of the dullards in that video, they'll all be dead by November so not too worried.



Why? Isn't the blessed Trump gonna keep us safe any more?


Even Trump can't keep people safe from age.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:29 pm

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Postby Falkomagno on Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:01 am

I am curious if trump fanatics actually would follow his bleach advice.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:39 am

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a32265866/trump-inject-disinfectants-coronavirus/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_esq&utm_medium=email&date=042420&utm_campaign=nl20106960
We should probably talk more often about how the president is an insane moron. It was enough that we elected a game-show host with a vocabulary of about 200 words, whose skills do not include "reading" or "paying attention to anything that does not mention him by name for more than a few seconds," in the Before Times. But now it's a global pandemic, and 50,000 Americans are dead as our country experiences the worst outbreak of anywhere in the world, and we continue to just sit back and watch this guy's wheels spin right off the axles each evening as he turns a "briefing" nominally meant to update the public on the national response into some sort of rally-slash-therapy-session wherein he talks about how great he is and screams at reporters.

The president is not well, and it does us no good to pretend otherwise. He cannot do the job. He never has been capable of it, and not just because he only considers the roughly 40 percent of people who support him—no matter what he does—to be the only real American citizens. Not just because of his virulent public racism, or the disgusting behavior he continually exhibits towards other human beings who fail to sufficiently praise him. Not just because the shop he runs is almost comically corrupt. At root, beneath the primal nastiness and predatory instinct that has allowed him to survive this long, he simply knows nothing about anything and cares less. He's the kid in class who didn't do the reading. That's part of why we still don't have sufficient testing, a key factor in reopening the economy, and the process of getting masks and protective equipment to states and hospitals remains the Wild West.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jimboston on Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:02 pm

Falkomagno wrote:I am curious if trump fanatics actually would follow his bleach advice.


One can only hope.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:51 pm

Falkomagno wrote:I am curious if trump fanatics actually would follow his bleach advice.


He never gave any such advice. This was a comment taken out of context by the media and reframed in a way they knew they'd be able to dribble into the brains of the willing mass of morons who would believe it.

Similarly, Reuters recently declared "Special Report: Former Labradoodle breeder was tapped to lead U.S. pandemic task force!" [Link]

On further investigation, however, the individual in question - Brian Harrison - had spent 15 years in healthcare policy in DC. He once took a three-year break to run his family's dog breeding business in order to move home to Texas and take care of an ill family member before returning to health policy management. He also didn't lead the pandemic task force but was merely a policy coordinator.

Because the vast, unwashed mass of humanity are incapable of critical thought but simply absorb into their sponge-like brains anything that has the officialdom of a masthead above it, the lying press are able to spin whatever cherry-picked halftruths they'd like.
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Re: coronavirus - is this real or hype?

Postby jimboston on Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:03 pm

It’s not tout of context if you watch the whole video...

https://youtu.be/QtgVxGkrX1Y

Trump is just randomly saying shit and grasping at straws hoping and praying the economy doesn’t implode.

You’re right he’s not actively suggesting people go home and do this... but he is suggesting to his medical advisors things they “should try”. I’m pretty sure the doctors and scientists don’t need him to make suggestions, I’m pretty sure they know how to conduct medical experiments better than he does. I’m also sure they know you can’t just inject Clorox into the blood stream or inhale bleach fumes.

Are you also going to say his advising people to “just try” the malaria drugs also taken out of context?
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