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Postby what,me worry? on Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:56 pm

I think we can all agree that the best thing about Nazis we're their uniforms

Handsome as s*1$

It's because Hugo Boss designed them which is still a strong brand today

Because the U.S. came over the top on WW2, we have demonized everything about Nazis even though we absorbed their scientists in Operation Paper clip when we put their other officers on trial for war crimes due to a double standard in morality

Here's my question: when can we ever continue to separate the good from the bad in their culture. I would vote to bring back their style in some form of we are ever adult enough to part Himmler's flawed ideology on eugenics from the good parts like rockertry which we continue to do today
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby KoolBak on Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:04 pm

I liked you better when you were on drugs, apparently. Have fun with NP, your CC double.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby what,me worry? on Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:10 pm

KoolBak wrote:I liked you better when you were on drugs, apparently. Have fun with NP, your CC double.


Rockets, BMW, the U.S. Space program, and Hugo Boss is racist?

Mitsubishi and Kawasaki are to be banned as war criminals?
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby NomadPatriot on Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:22 pm

I am just letting WMW roll with this thread..
it's all him..

this fits right in with his " it was ok to be Xenophobic to Japanese people during WW2", "
women's brains do not develop as much as men's' " & "black people are more likely to go to prison because of their testosterone".. statements from the other day...
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby what,me worry? on Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:44 pm

NomadPatriot wrote:I am just letting WMW roll with this thread..
it's all him..

this fits right in with his " it was ok to be Xenophobic to Japanese people during WW2", "
women's brains do not develop as much as men's' " & "black people are more likely to go to prison because of their testosterone".. statements from the other day...


I don't have time for your father abandonment issues

Where's daddy, Nomad?

Why didn't puh-pah love you?
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby NomadPatriot on Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:58 pm

what,me worry? wrote:
NomadPatriot wrote:I am just letting WMW roll with this thread..
it's all him..

this fits right in with his " it was ok to be Xenophobic to Japanese people during WW2", "
women's brains do not develop as much as men's' " & "black people are more likely to go to prison because of their testosterone".. statements from the other day...


I don't have time for your father abandonment issues

Where's daddy, Nomad?

Why didn't puh-pah love you?


oh geez. he's trying to get an emotional response out of me now.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

looks like quoting his own words is uncomfortable for him for some reason..

seems like the 32 year old who bragged about doing drugs for the past 16 years & is broke & homeless currently might be the one with father abandonment issues..
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby KoolBak on Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:08 pm

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Called it. :lol:
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby Keefie on Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:27 am

and the thread winner is................fumbles with envelope...............KoolBak =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby betiko on Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:42 am

what,me worry? wrote:I think we can all agree that the best thing about Nazis we're their uniforms

Handsome as s*1$

It's because Hugo Boss designed them which is still a strong brand today

Because the U.S. came over the top on WW2, we have demonized everything about Nazis even though we absorbed their scientists in Operation Paper clip when we put their other officers on trial for war crimes due to a double standard in morality

Here's my question: when can we ever continue to separate the good from the bad in their culture. I would vote to bring back their style in some form of we are ever adult enough to part Himmler's flawed ideology on eugenics from the good parts like rockertry which we continue to do today


it's always funny when someone thinks he's saying something interesting or whitty because he's repeating an urban legend. No... Hugo Boss did not design their uniform you moron. He was a big time nazi but only a supplier of uniforms... he did not design them.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby what,me worry? on Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:25 pm

betiko wrote:
what,me worry? wrote:I think we can all agree that the best thing about Nazis we're their uniforms

Handsome as s*1$

It's because Hugo Boss designed them which is still a strong brand today

Because the U.S. came over the top on WW2, we have demonized everything about Nazis even though we absorbed their scientists in Operation Paper clip when we put their other officers on trial for war crimes due to a double standard in morality

Here's my question: when can we ever continue to separate the good from the bad in their culture. I would vote to bring back their style in some form of we are ever adult enough to part Himmler's flawed ideology on eugenics from the good parts like rockertry which we continue to do today


it's always funny when someone thinks he's saying something interesting or whitty because he's repeating an urban legend. No... Hugo Boss did not design their uniform you moron. He was a big time nazi but only a supplier of uniforms... he did not design them.


Splitting hairs

My point was: these suppliers of "evil" goods are household names of today which we use without any sense of moralism

It seems morals go out the window if you're smart enough to contribute

So, when I say I think Nazi uniforms are handsome, I say so without guilt or shame

Nazi stuff is banned around the world which is dumb. Ban the violent actions and not the brainless items

One can argue that these inanamite objects promote a culture of harmful ideology but I have never felt like goose-stepping after watching Valkyrie or killing other races after driving a BMW
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby what,me worry? on Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:27 pm

WMW is the laziest ACLU investigator ever....
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby betiko on Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:53 pm

So basically... if you see a guy walking around in SS uniform, you just think to yourself that he looks elegant right? And you don't understand why people could get offended?

What if a guy walks around with ISIS flags and all dressed up in black with his face covered? I think it looks very elegant.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby NomadPatriot on Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:35 pm

what,me worry? wrote:
So, when I say I think Nazi uniforms are handsome, I say so without guilt or shame

Nazi stuff is banned around the world which is dumb. Ban the violent actions and not the brainless items



WMW has no problem with the Nazi flag being flown. it's just a brainless inanimate object ..
oh and a burning cross . those are also brainless inanimate objects..
I mean technically a concentration camp is just a brainless inanimate object as well..

right WMW.. you see no problem with any of those things...
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby what,me worry? on Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:48 pm

betiko wrote:So basically... if you see a guy walking around in SS uniform, you just think to yourself that he looks elegant right? And you don't understand why people could get offended?

What if a guy walks around with ISIS flags and all dressed up in black with his face covered? I think it looks very elegant.


Everyone is someone's terrorist

I have no problem with any ideology, uniform, or speech/thought as long as it doesn't prevent others from pursuing life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness

Here's a real world idea to stuff in your life example pipe, actors in Hollywood wear customs all the time....racist...lol...people wear customs on Halloween... racist.... people do re-enactments...racist

The onus is on people to be mature and not offended. The real is issue is what the people in those uniforms did. If someone dressed in a Harry S Truman costume and walked around Japan town for a day, that's a hate crime!11!@$#!!~

We as a society must realize that everything can be offensive if you make the attempt to be offended and engage in self-righteousness.

For being the California liberal in this forum, ya'll some SJW snow flakes
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby mrswdk on Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:22 pm

Hugo Boss is great. Hands down the best designer by a mile, its the only company where I can pretty much guarantee I'll find a bunch of stuff I like. Whichever sugar daddy stopped buying me premium can feel free to make up for it by sending me some Boss trainers.

what,me worry? wrote:Because the U.S. came over the top on WW2, we have demonized everything about Nazis even though we absorbed their scientists in Operation Paper clip when we put their other officers on trial for war crimes due to a double standard in morality


There was barely even a pretence at morality. It was a show trial of a few Nazi leaders for PR purposes, nothing more.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:27 pm

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There was barely even a pretence at morality. It was a show trial of a few Nazi leaders for PR purposes, nothing more.


Now that's bullshit if there ever was some. If you made even a cursory attempt at studying the trials, you'd know how what strenuous care was taken to make sure that these were not show trials, and that every defendant had every opportunity to defend himself.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby mrswdk on Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:05 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
There was barely even a pretence at morality. It was a show trial of a few Nazi leaders for PR purposes, nothing more.


Now that's bullshit if there ever was some. If you made even a cursory attempt at studying the trials, you'd know how what strenuous care was taken to make sure that these were not show trials, and that every defendant had every opportunity to defend himself.


So why, as the OP pointed out, were lots of senior members of the Nazi Party and administration let off without trial? Why were no allegations of war crimes committed by Allied troops included in the trials? Allied forces committed numerous acts that violated the rules of war at the time (e.g. unrestricted submarine warfare, killing shipwrecked sailors, looting, torture, prisoner executions) and yet the majority of those guilty were never tried, and those who were tried were subject to court martial by their own governments.
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Postby what,me worry? on Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:58 pm

Those who were not swept up by the Russians and Americans had little value or had to serve as the fall guys for posterity.

I've listed below those who we're tried by the Nuremberg court and found guilty with the exception of one on the list and a few left off who were not punished by the court. As you can see, these men were part of the engine which was responsible for the atrocities of Hitler's regime. While they most had considerably high IQ's, they would not have been able to contribute to the post-World War 2 America or Russia in any reasonable way. Thus, they were tried while those with scientific value such as physicists, rocketry, war department special projects, and the like. They were responsible for deaths during their research for Germany but, considered too valuable to be tried for their war crimes as the USA had to be pragmatic.

Nuremberg politicians, military personal, ideologists, slave labor overseers, etc:

1. Martin Bormann - Successor to Hess as Nazi Party Secretary
2. Karl Dönitz - Leader of the Kriegsmarine from 1943, succeeded Raeder. Initiator of the U-boat campaign
3. Hans Frank - Reich Law Leader 1933–45 and Governor-General of the General Government in occupied Poland
4. Wilhelm Frick - Hitler's Minister of the Interior
5. Hans Fritzsche - Popular radio commentator; head of the news division of the Nazi Propaganda Ministry aquitted
6. Walther Funk - Hitler's Minister of Economics; succeeded Schacht as head of the Reichsbank
7. Hermann Göring - Reichsmarschall, Commander of the Luftwaffe, Chief of the 4-Year Plan, and original head of the Gestapo
8. Rudolf Hess - Hitler's Deputy Führer
9. Alfred Jodl - Wehrmacht Generaloberst, Keitel's subordinate and Chief of the OKW's Operations Division
10. Ernst Kaltenbrunner - Highest-ranking SS leader to be tried at Nuremberg. Chief of RSHA
11. Wilhelm Keitel - Head of Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW) and de facto defence minister
12. Robert Ley - Head of DAF, German Labour Front
13. Baron Konstantin von Neurath - Minister of Foreign Affairs
14. Franz von Papen - Chancellor of Germany in 1932 and Vice-Chancellor under Hitler
15. Erich Raeder - Commander In Chief of the Kriegsmarine from 1928 until his retirement in 1943
16. Joachim von Ribbentrop - Minister of Foreign Affairs 1938–45
17. Alfred Rosenberg - Racial theory ideologist. Later, Minister of the Eastern Occupied Territories
18. Fritz Sauckel - Plenipotentiary of the Nazi slave labor program
19. Baldur von Schirach - Head of the Hitlerjugend from 1933–40
20. Arthur Seyss-Inquart - Instrumental in the Anschluss and briefly Austrian Chancellor 1938. Deputy to Frank in Poland 1939–40. Later, Reichskommissar of the occupied Netherlands 1940–45
21. Albert Speer - architect and Minister of Armaments from 1942 until the end of the war. Responsible for the use of slave labourers from the occupied territories in armaments production
22. Julius Streicher - Gauleiter of Franconia 1922–40, when he was relieved of authority but allowed by Hitler to keep his official title. Publisher of the anti-Semitic weekly newspaper Der Stürmer

I am convinced that if there was a practical use for any of those listed above, they would not have stood trial for their crimes

This is a lesson in those who believe there is a sense of ultimate morality over pragmatism
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:31 pm

mrswdk wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
There was barely even a pretence at morality. It was a show trial of a few Nazi leaders for PR purposes, nothing more.


Now that's bullshit if there ever was some. If you made even a cursory attempt at studying the trials, you'd know how what strenuous care was taken to make sure that these were not show trials, and that every defendant had every opportunity to defend himself.


So why, as the OP pointed out, were lots of senior members of the Nazi Party and administration let off without trial? Why were no allegations of war crimes committed by Allied troops included in the trials? Allied forces committed numerous acts that violated the rules of war at the time (e.g. unrestricted submarine warfare, killing shipwrecked sailors, looting, torture, prisoner executions) and yet the majority of those guilty were never tried, and those who were tried were subject to court martial by their own governments.

You're moving the goalposts. First you're claiming they were just show trials, now you're broadening the scope to ask why they didn't include everyone. I don't have time to address the full scope of the new, broader inquiry, though we might come back to it later.

On the more narrowly-focused issue:
why, as the OP pointed out, were lots of senior members of the Nazi Party and administration let off without trial?

That doesn't seem to me what the OP pointed out, and if it was he was mistaken. No senior members of the administration were let off. Many committed suicide to avoid prosecution. Many others were captured by the Russians who, as noted, did not participate in the Trials. A few escaped. Of the senior officials in Western custody, all were tried. A handful were acquitted, which is further evidence for the fact that these were not show trials, but in fact real trials where the accused had a fair opportunity to defend themselves and a few succeeded in doing so. But nobody significant was let off. If they weren't dead, escaped, or held by Stalin, they were tried.

What the OP was referring to was Operation Paperclip, which swept up scientists and engineers that had worked for the Nazis. Some of them were Nazi Party members, but none were high-ranking or particularly important in the party. The parameters of the operation excluded anyone wanted or suspected of war crimes. A handful did slip through. Of 1600 scientists and engineers in the program, 3 were eventually accused of war crimes. That's less than 0.2% -- a failure rate that suggests to me legitimate failure on the part of the authorities to know everything. If there had been intentional harboring of fugitives in the program, I would expect that vastly more than 0.2% would eventually turn out to be complicit in war crimes.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby betiko on Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:27 am

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that's a great movie, saw it the other day and i loved it.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:52 pm

FDR's hangman ... a clinically insane habitual liar -

John Clarence Woods (June 5, 1911 – July 21, 1950) was a United States Army master sergeant who carried out the Nuremberg executions of ten former top leaders of the Third Reich on October 16, 1946. Time magazine credited him with 347 executions to that date during a 15-year career.

Woods joined the US Navy on December 3, 1929, and went absent without leave within months. He was convicted at a general court martial and subsequently examined by a psychiatric board on April 23, 1930. He was diagnosed with "Constitutional Psychopathic Inferiority without Psychosis", was found "poor service material" and discharged.

When in autumn of 1944 military executions by hanging were scheduled in France, the Army looked for a volunteer enlisted hangman and found Woods, who falsely claimed previous experience as assistant hangman in two cases in Texas and two in Oklahoma – there is no evidence that the U.S. Army made any attempt to verify Woods' claims. In fact, Woods had no documented pre-war experience as a hangman.

U.S. Army reports suggest that Woods participated in at least 11 bungled hangings of US soldiers between 1944 and 1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby 2dimes on Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:23 pm

Picture of Johnny C Woods' suit or get out. This thread is about nice looking uniforms.
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby NomadPatriot on Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:11 pm

what,me worry? wrote:
For being the California liberal in this forum, ya'll some SJW snow flakes


we have no doubt a California Liberal would be pro-Nazi or Pro-Communist..

they are on your team when it comes to politics..
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Re: Nazi uniforms

Postby what,me worry? on Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:13 pm

saxitoxin wrote:FDR's hangman ... a clinically insane habitual liar -

John Clarence Woods (June 5, 1911 – July 21, 1950) was a United States Army master sergeant who carried out the Nuremberg executions of ten former top leaders of the Third Reich on October 16, 1946. Time magazine credited him with 347 executions to that date during a 15-year career.

Woods joined the US Navy on December 3, 1929, and went absent without leave within months. He was convicted at a general court martial and subsequently examined by a psychiatric board on April 23, 1930. He was diagnosed with "Constitutional Psychopathic Inferiority without Psychosis", was found "poor service material" and discharged.

When in autumn of 1944 military executions by hanging were scheduled in France, the Army looked for a volunteer enlisted hangman and found Woods, who falsely claimed previous experience as assistant hangman in two cases in Texas and two in Oklahoma – there is no evidence that the U.S. Army made any attempt to verify Woods' claims. In fact, Woods had no documented pre-war experience as a hangman.

U.S. Army reports suggest that Woods participated in at least 11 bungled hangings of US soldiers between 1944 and 1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Woods


YEAH! This thread is about handsome uni..... :shock:

*eats popcorn*..... Mr. Woods is the definition of, "If there's a will, there's a way"

I did some digging and found that he was voted most likely to become an amateur hangman. Damn
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