Powerless mafia, mafia win

[dgz345]

Fair. I'll join that choir. You don't want Skoffin to do the same?

Sure. Can we do one at a time?

I could go skoffin first if that's what the rest of town wants.

[Ragian]

Well, you'd be putting the second vote on her rather than one vote on each. No offence to Razor, but I fear a silent, unrecorded Skoffin more than a Razor one.

[Razorvich]

Dgz..q. why you gunning for me

More to come tonight on my phone atm

[dgz345]

Dgz..q. why you gunning for me

More to come tonight on my phone atm

I'm on the phone all the time...

@Ragian. Sure.

Unvote vote skoffin

[Razorvich]

well from my perspective its real hard to tell who is bullshitting and who is not.

The only scummy post that really caught my eye was from Mets, when I ended Day 1.

Now you may say HA he just ended it to get onto night action, but that is not true. There was a lot of debate about why end the day with no lynch, and there were a lot of others that had the oportunity to unvote before I hammered it.

If you look at the list Mets, you were No 1. so had more chance than any of us to unvote, then spray me for ending it.

You are No 1 on my list atm.

[dgz345]

No lynch was the town move.

It's just that it was so abrupt and out of nowhere. I expected more that the no lynch vote would come from someone else.

[Razorvich]

well obviously someone on the list is scum

[BuJaber]

Fair. I'll join that choir. You don't want Skoffin to do the same?

Sure. Can we do one at a time?

I could go skoffin first if that's what the rest of town wants.

Dgz..q. why you gunning for me

More to come tonight on my phone atm

I'm on the phone all the time...

@Ragian. Sure.

Unvote vote skoffin

Why does Ragian represent "the rest of town" all by himself?

[dgz345]

Why does Ragian represent "the rest of town" all by himself?

You see anyone else responding within 12 hours?

Town is covfefe addicts that hasn't got their cafefe.

[Ragian]

Could we have some input instead?

[strike wolf]

well from my perspective its real hard to tell who is bullshitting and who is not.

The only scummy post that really caught my eye was from Mets, when I ended Day 1.

Now you may say HA he just ended it to get onto night action, but that is not true. There was a lot of debate about why end the day with no lynch, and there were a lot of others that had the oportunity to unvote before I hammered it.

If you look at the list Mets, you were No 1. so had more chance than any of us to unvote, then spray me for ending it.

You are No 1 on my list atm.

Mets didn't vote No lynch. He replaced someone who wasn't around when it started or at all day 1 and by the time he joined No lynch was already one vote away. Either way, we aren't really arguing whether you or anyone else voting there was scummy just for voting no lynch. That's putting it in a vacuum. We're saying it was scummy that you ended the day without any meaningful contribution. You effectively ended the day without giving your own input into anything and denied town a chance to get more of a read on you and others. That's what stands out about you hammering no lynch when you did.

[Ragian]

Agree with Strike.

Has BuJ done anything besides moan about what I write? And perhaps what dgz writes? Has he suspected anyone? I tend to forget...

Also, where the frick is skoffin?

[dgz345]

Also, where the frick is skoffin?

That lazy birch!

[Skoffin]

Been not well.
Also lazy.

Input tomorrow mebbe yolo see you bitches then

[BuJaber]

well from my perspective its real hard to tell who is bullshitting and who is not.

The only scummy post that really caught my eye was from Mets, when I ended Day 1.

Now you may say HA he just ended it to get onto night action, but that is not true. There was a lot of debate about why end the day with no lynch, and there were a lot of others that had the oportunity to unvote before I hammered it.

If you look at the list Mets, you were No 1. so had more chance than any of us to unvote, then spray me for ending it.

You are No 1 on my list atm.

Mets didn't vote No lynch. He replaced someone who wasn't around when it started or at all day 1 and by the time he joined No lynch was already one vote away. Either way, we aren't really arguing whether you or anyone else voting there was scummy just for voting no lynch. That's putting it in a vacuum. We're saying it was scummy that you ended the day without any meaningful contribution. You effectively ended the day without giving your own input into anything and denied town a chance to get more of a read on you and others. That's what stands out about you hammering no lynch when you did.

As WIFOMy as this is, I tend to think that he wouldn't have done such an obvious shady move if he were actually town. But that kinda assumes he's experienced enough to recognize that it will look really bad.

Razor is in DBD right? So he should know mafia quite well.


Also Ragian I suspect dgz. And I do like pressure on people not posting also. What I don't like is people who come up with cases/reasons to suspect people (whether they're good reasons or not is irrelevant for this point), but then vote somebody else who they're kinda 'meh' about or is a popular choice among voters. It's just really scummy.

[dgz345]

Razor is in DBD right? So he should know mafia quite well.

No he always gets lynched early for not talking. And when he does talk he talks in RP riddles.

Also Ragian I suspect dgz. And I do like pressure on people not posting also. What I don't like is people who come up with cases/reasons to suspect people (whether they're good reasons or not is irrelevant for this point), but then vote somebody else who they're kinda 'meh' about or is a popular choice among voters. It's just really scummy.

You talking about my Razor to skoffin vote?

Razor was just higher on my scum list. But Ragian reminded me that he was on skoffin and that he would not switch to Razor so better for me to follow him than trying to create confusion at town.

And I've said it before. I am very trigger happy when it comes to sending posts. I usually edit my posts and pm:s that can be a reason you don't like my posting style. I'm just very vocal.

And if there is a wierd word I blame the phone autocorrect!

[dgz345]

And i don't think Ragian had scum vibes against me.

But I don't think I'll bother reading all Ragians posts until I got my computer up and running in like 2-3 weeks (need to lay floor and paper the wall in the room the computer will be in. While still taking care of twins and going to university everyday)

I don't see how Ragian can complain on one kid. He's probably even on parental leave!

[Metsfanmax]

As WIFOMy as this is, I tend to think that he wouldn't have done such an obvious shady move if he were actually town. But that kinda assumes he's experienced enough to recognize that it will look really bad.

The whole issue from D1 is that people like Pika and dgz were arguing that not only is it not shady to drop a quick "no lynch" hammer on D1, but actually it is the right thing to do. So if I were in Razor's shoes I might have felt like there was a lot of cover for that action.

[Pikanchion]

The whole issue from D1 is that people like Pika and dgz were arguing that not only is it not shady to drop a quick "no lynch" hammer on D1, but actually it is the right thing to do. So if I were in Razor's shoes I might have felt like there was a lot of cover for that action.

Point out where either of us said that outside of situations where doing so would result in additional kills for Town.

[Ragian]

@dgz, not complaining. I'm loving it. Just new to it.

Also, dgz is right about Razor's DBD merits. He did win his first game as scum, though. I'd argue, however, that it was a fluke. My fellow townmate was very gullable (I, was of course, on top of the situation).

What's the VC?

[Razorvich]

well from my perspective its real hard to tell who is bullshitting and who is not.

The only scummy post that really caught my eye was from Mets, when I ended Day 1.

Now you may say HA he just ended it to get onto night action, but that is not true. There was a lot of debate about why end the day with no lynch, and there were a lot of others that had the oportunity to unvote before I hammered it.

If you look at the list Mets, you were No 1. so had more chance than any of us to unvote, then spray me for ending it.

You are No 1 on my list atm.

Mets didn't vote No lynch. He replaced someone who wasn't around when it started or at all day 1 and by the time he joined No lynch was already one vote away. Either way, we aren't really arguing whether you or anyone else voting there was scummy just for voting no lynch. That's putting it in a vacuum. We're saying it was scummy that you ended the day without any meaningful contribution. You effectively ended the day without giving your own input into anything and denied town a chance to get more of a read on you and others. That's what stands out about you hammering no lynch when you did.

Ate the same time, the debate on day 1 was to no lynch or not. I read everything and decided that a no lynch was the way to go. So really there is more than Mets that had to chance to stop it from happening.

Appologies mets, I didnt realise the full story there.

So... that leaves only dgz looking to kill people quicky.

[BuJaber]

As WIFOMy as this is, I tend to think that he wouldn't have done such an obvious shady move if he were actually town scum. But that kinda assumes he's experienced enough to recognize that it will look really bad.

The whole issue from D1 is that people like Pika and dgz were arguing that not only is it not shady to drop a quick "no lynch" hammer on D1, but actually it is the right thing to do. So if I were in Razor's shoes I might have felt like there was a lot of cover for that action.

I didn't mean to type town in the above quote, I meant to say he wouldn't make that move as scum given how it would bring obvious attention to himself.

[BuJaber]

Also Ragian I suspect dgz. And I do like pressure on people not posting also. What I don't like is people who come up with cases/reasons to suspect people (whether they're good reasons or not is irrelevant for this point), but then vote somebody else who they're kinda 'meh' about or is a popular choice among voters. It's just really scummy.

You talking about my Razor to skoffin vote?

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Yes but it was more a jab at Ragian for writing cases against everyone and then voting for skoffin despite not giving any reasons to suspect her, only saying "nothing there".
So he's my 2nd suspect right now.

[BuJaber]

Also Ragian I suspect dgz. And I do like pressure on people not posting also. What I don't like is people who come up with cases/reasons to suspect people (whether they're good reasons or not is irrelevant for this point), but then vote somebody else who they're kinda 'meh' about or is a popular choice among voters. It's just really scummy.

You talking about my Razor to skoffin vote?

Yes but it was more a jab at Ragian for writing cases against everyone and then voting for skoffin despite not giving any reasons to suspect her, only saying "nothing there".
So he's my 2nd suspect right now.

Fixed the quotes

[Metsfanmax]

The whole issue from D1 is that people like Pika and dgz were arguing that not only is it not shady to drop a quick "no lynch" hammer on D1, but actually it is the right thing to do. So if I were in Razor's shoes I might have felt like there was a lot of cover for that action.

Point out where either of us said that outside of situations where doing so would result in additional kills for Town.

Do you also want no talking D1?

I don't care one way or the other but if we're planning not to lynch it's questionable what worth any discussion today will be. If we talk a lot we invite WIFOM situations where people try to guess if something talked about influenced the choice for N1 kill, if we don't then we start D2 as if it's a day one. Either way the lynch D2 is likely to be pretty random (and even if we don't talk much today there's a decent chance of people trying to discern who is scum based on who was killed as the basis for the D2 lynch) so it's really of little consequence if we talk a lot or a little today.

I'm just tired of having to have a lengthy discussion about whether it's worth lynching or not day one every single game when the choice is pretty clear cut most of the time.

I didn't mean to type town in the above quote, I meant to say he wouldn't make that move as scum given how it would bring obvious attention to himself.

I understand what you were saying. My response was that Razor might have thought he wasn't bringing any obvious attention to himself since Pika had advocated so forcefully for a D1 no lynch. I am just speculating, it is hard to know what his motives were.

I read everything and decided that a no lynch was the way to go. So really there is more than Mets that had to chance to stop it from happening.

There is nothing I could have done to stop it from happening other than persuade people not to vote yet (which I tried to). Now, I agree that everyone who voted No Lynch was a participant in ending the day without further discussion; you're not the only person responsible. But the person who drops the hammer always gets extra scrutiny -- you can't shift the focus off yourself just because someone else might have hammered. You did it.