is it possible ??????/

[zeus111]

Site Rules

Does anyone ever read the site rules anymore...

its right in the rules u just linked ....no intentional dead beating ....

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games , intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

[KoolBak]

It's a game. Geez. I've been here since the site inception and I'm happy. Are you a lobbyist in RL?

[2dimes]

If they would just offer the surrender button to every game zues would not have to wait for these dead beats to get kicked for their third missed turn.

[Bernie Sanders]

We need to ban more players, especially those who complain about the need for more bans.

It's a great business model!

[Jdsizzleslice]

Site Rules

Does anyone ever read the site rules anymore...

its right in the rules u just linked ....no intentional dead beating ....

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games , intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

Let's talk about this very plainly:

• throwing games - referring to games where you cause you (and potentially others) to lose on purpose with intent.
• intentional deadbeating - joining games with the intent to never play a turn. This cannot be represented by just one game.

Where is the gross abuse of the game? Do you honestly believe that someone who has taken turns at the start of the game, and through the events of the game, decides that there is no possible way they will win the game, and that a faster way to end the game is to DB, is in violation of site rules?

I sure hope you do not.

[Dukasaur]

IcePack, deadbeating and resigning are two different things for a simple reason. both are quitting the game, you can justify / excuse whatever behavior you like in your mind.
If your opponent resigns, the game is over and you can do something else. you can always do that once you win the game you just want to win before you have won
If your opponent deadbeats you have to stay and wait patiently until your opponent misses 3 turns.
I hope you can appreciate the difference. its no different, you can tell yourself otherwise tho if it makes you feel better

You can splash the page with red ink all you want, but in the end your histrionics won't change the fact that these things are opposites.

Resigning SAVES TIME for your opponent.
Deadbeating WASTES TIME for your opponent.

They are exact diametric opposites.

I used to play serious chess in my younger days, and in serious chess it's considered incredibly rude to piss around and drag things out instead of resigning as soon as its obvious that your position is untenable. People have better things to do with their time than sitting around playing a game that's already decided.

[Keefie]

JDSizzleslice sums it up perfectly +1

[Jdsizzleslice]

IcePack, deadbeating and resigning are two different things for a simple reason. both are quitting the game, you can justify / excuse whatever behavior you like in your mind.
If your opponent resigns, the game is over and you can do something else. you can always do that once you win the game you just want to win before you have won
If your opponent deadbeats you have to stay and wait patiently until your opponent misses 3 turns.
I hope you can appreciate the difference. its no different, you can tell yourself otherwise tho if it makes you feel better

You can splash the page with red ink all you want, but in the end your histrionics won't change the fact that these things are opposites.

Resigning SAVES TIME for your opponent.
Deadbeating WASTES TIME for your opponent.

They are exact diametric opposites.

I used to play serious chess in my younger days, and in serious chess it's considered incredibly rude to piss around and drag things out instead of resigning as soon as its obvious that your position is untenable. People have better things to do with their time than sitting around playing a game that's already decided.

What about games that do not have the Resign Button?

[IcePack]

IcePack, deadbeating and resigning are two different things for a simple reason. both are quitting the game, you can justify / excuse whatever behavior you like in your mind.
If your opponent resigns, the game is over and you can do something else. you can always do that once you win the game you just want to win before you have won
If your opponent deadbeats you have to stay and wait patiently until your opponent misses 3 turns.
I hope you can appreciate the difference. its no different, you can tell yourself otherwise tho if it makes you feel better

You can splash the page with red ink all you want, but in the end your histrionics won't change the fact that these things are opposites.

Resigning SAVES TIME for your opponent.
Deadbeating WASTES TIME for your opponent.

They are exact diametric opposites.

I used to play serious chess in my younger days, and in serious chess it's considered incredibly rude to piss around and drag things out instead of resigning as soon as its obvious that your position is untenable. People have better things to do with their time than sitting around playing a game that's already decided.

The continued comparison to chess is utter BS. Chess is not risk. Risk is not chess. Two equally skilled people in chess can draw / stalemate with some regularity. Risk involves dice. Dice involves a measure of luck. Not something that chess draws its game from.

If you wanna talk opposites at least have an honest fucking conversation about it and stop with this horse shit of a comparison.

If people wanted to play chess, they’d be on a fucking chess site.

[zeus111]

Site Rules

Does anyone ever read the site rules anymore...

its right in the rules u just linked ....no intentional dead beating ....

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games , intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

Let's talk about this very plainly:

• throwing games - referring to games where you cause you (and potentially others) to lose on purpose with intent.
• intentional deadbeating - joining games with the intent to never play a turn. This cannot be represented by just one game.

Where is the gross abuse of the game? Do you honestly believe that someone who has taken turns at the start of the game, and through the events of the game, decides that there is no possible way they will win the game, and that a faster way to end the game is to DB, is in violation of site rules?

I sure hope you do not.

i do and it is under current guidelines of this rule ill go one step and put it direct as i can to announce in a game i db is breaking the rules .....when members such as evil semp and Silly Knig-it both admit it stops them from joining speed games and that just 2 of many we have to take a stand .. when its come to a 50 percent of speed games with a db or in some cases 3 out of 6 db we have to take a stand ....again ill take sites head mod s opinion vs yours any day

Postby king achilles on Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:55 pm
Intentional deadbeating is still not allowed especially if it is being done regularly.....


your version of this rule or interpretation is wrong ....

this is the type of play im talking about ..let me guess according to you this is acceptable https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... ead#unread


zeus111

[Jdsizzleslice]

[zeus111]

i know the feeling ...to put it simple join a game finish a game is that so much to ask for ...the site rules dont ask for much really they dont...this type of mentality is how we got to a 50 percent db rate in speed games ...

the positive thing i take here well there are a few ...we created a great dialogue regarding db s and there are many opinions on this subject whos right or whos wrong im not certain but i am certain of this ...db s are killing speed games members are avoiding them as a result ..it seems ppl think its ok to join a game announce i db and move on to find a game with a possible win rather then show the other members in that game the respect to finish it...to date i db is a direct violation of site rules plain and simple ...it doesn't get any clearer then when a member announces i db and leaves the game to show there intentional db

zeus111

[Donelladan]

intentional deadbeating - joining games with the intent to never play a turn. This cannot be represented by just one game.

I am wondering where did you find this interpretation of intentional deadbeating. This is not the current interpretation by the C&A mods.

Intentional deadbeating can be done from turn 1 as well as from turn 100. You just aren't supposed to deadbeat.

Where is the gross abuse of the game? Do you honestly believe that someone who has taken turns at the start of the game, and through the events of the game, decides that there is no possible way they will win the game, and that a faster way to end the game is to DB, is in violation of site rules?

I sure hope you do not.

Well I actually argued the exact same thing before we had a resign button for trench games, and I was told that yes indeed it's still a violation of the site rules.

We are now in a different situation thanks to the resign button.
So for no trench game, it's extremely rare that it is faster to deadbeat than to finish the games. Except Hive and USA2.1 I don't think there is many maps you can't clean within 3 turns if the game is over for one player.
I can take dozens of examples easily in my finished speed games where my opponent just quit a no trench speed game and I was able to finish in 2 turns or would have in 3 easily.
Consider most speed games are played on small maps, but players still prefer to deadbeat, actual reason is they don't give a shit about their opponent waiting alone for the game to finish.

So, if your point was people deadbeat because it's faster than finishing the games, what do yo do of all the other games that are deadbeated ( vast majority) while it's actually NOT faster to deadbeat ?

[Jdsizzleslice]

Where is the gross abuse of the game? Do you honestly believe that someone who has taken turns at the start of the game, and through the events of the game, decides that there is no possible way they will win the game, and that a faster way to end the game is to DB, is in violation of site rules?

I sure hope you do not.

Well I actually argued the exact same thing before we had a resign button for trench games, and I was told that yes indeed it's still a violation of the site rules.

We are now in a different situation thanks to the resign button.
So for no trench game, it's extremely rare that it is faster to deadbeat than to finish the games. Except Hive and USA2.1 I don't think there is many maps you can't clean within 3 turns if the game is over for one player.
I can take dozens of examples easily in my finished speed games where my opponent just quit a no trench speed game and I was able to finish in 2 turns or would have in 3 easily.
Consider most speed games are played on small maps, but players still prefer to deadbeat, actual reason is they don't give a shit about their opponent waiting alone for the game to finish.

So, if your point was people deadbeat because it's faster than finishing the games, what do yo do of all the other games that are deadbeated ( vast majority) while it's actually NOT faster to deadbeat ?

I can bring up just as many examples of where it was faster to db than to finish the game. It's just that your experience has been that db isn't faster, while my experience is that it is much faster when the game has been decided.

[zeus111]

Where is the gross abuse of the game? Do you honestly believe that someone who has taken turns at the start of the game, and through the events of the game, decides that there is no possible way they will win the game, and that a faster way to end the game is to DB, is in violation of site rules?

I sure hope you do not.

Well I actually argued the exact same thing before we had a resign button for trench games, and I was told that yes indeed it's still a violation of the site rules.

We are now in a different situation thanks to the resign button.
So for no trench game, it's extremely rare that it is faster to deadbeat than to finish the games. Except Hive and USA2.1 I don't think there is many maps you can't clean within 3 turns if the game is over for one player.
I can take dozens of examples easily in my finished speed games where my opponent just quit a no trench speed game and I was able to finish in 2 turns or would have in 3 easily.
Consider most speed games are played on small maps, but players still prefer to deadbeat, actual reason is they don't give a shit about their opponent waiting alone for the game to finish.

So, if your point was people deadbeat because it's faster than finishing the games, what do yo do of all the other games that are deadbeated ( vast majority) while it's actually NOT faster to deadbeat ?

I can bring up just as many examples of where it was faster to db than to finish the game. It's just that your experience has been that db isn't faster, while my experience is that it is much faster when the game has been decided.

u seem to forget that is not permitted to db man ..until that changes do we not have to follow site rules ?? or just follow the ones we agree with ...

[Dukasaur]

IcePack, deadbeating and resigning are two different things for a simple reason. both are quitting the game, you can justify / excuse whatever behavior you like in your mind.
If your opponent resigns, the game is over and you can do something else. you can always do that once you win the game you just want to win before you have won
If your opponent deadbeats you have to stay and wait patiently until your opponent misses 3 turns.
I hope you can appreciate the difference. its no different, you can tell yourself otherwise tho if it makes you feel better

You can splash the page with red ink all you want, but in the end your histrionics won't change the fact that these things are opposites.

Resigning SAVES TIME for your opponent.
Deadbeating WASTES TIME for your opponent.

They are exact diametric opposites.

I used to play serious chess in my younger days, and in serious chess it's considered incredibly rude to piss around and drag things out instead of resigning as soon as its obvious that your position is untenable. People have better things to do with their time than sitting around playing a game that's already decided.

The continued comparison to chess is utter BS. Chess is not risk. Risk is not chess. Two equally skilled people in chess can draw / stalemate with some regularity. Risk involves dice. Dice involves a measure of luck. Not something that chess draws its game from.

If you wanna talk opposites at least have an honest fucking conversation about it and stop with this horse shit of a comparison.

If people wanted to play chess, they’d be on a fucking chess site.

Whether you're playing Risk, Chess, Monopoly, Parcheesi, Alpha Centauri, Donkey Kong, Poker, Whist, Horseshoes, Football, Hockey, Ping-Pong, or Ker-Plunk....

.... a game is only interesting as long as the outcome is in doubt. As soon as the winner is certain, all participants rapidly get bored, and any further time spent is just an annoyance.

Any game that forces you to keep playing after the winner is certain, is a game with a design flaw. Period. That's pretty straightforward and honest.

What about games that do not have the Resign Button?

It's not within my power to do anything about that.

[Donelladan]

I can bring up just as many examples of where it was faster to db than to finish the game. It's just that your experience has been that db isn't faster, while my experience is that it is much faster when the game has been decided.

Please go ahead. Really curious. You can pm me if you prefer.

[IcePack]

Whether you're playing Risk, Chess, Monopoly, Parcheesi, Alpha Centauri, Donkey Kong, Poker, Whist, Horseshoes, Football, Hockey, Ping-Pong, or Ker-Plunk....

.... a game is only interesting as long as the outcome is in doubt. As soon as the winner is certain, all participants rapidly get bored, and any further time spent is just an annoyance.

Any game that forces you to keep playing after the winner is certain, is a game with a design flaw. Period. That's pretty straightforward and honest.

I strongly disagree. Some of the best moments from a board game can come from moments after, giant swings of luck. Banter. Debate. Reiminising as the time winds down.

This is your opinion, certainly shouldn’t be treated “as a fact” just because someone has the attention span of a goldfish. Thought I shouldn’t be surprised in the age of candy crush and tap games that literally have no point and cater to those types.

And totally changes the direction of the discussion from the original post you made regarding chess. Chess can stalemate. Risk has elements of luck. Treating them the same is BS.

[KoolBak]

Yeah, Duk o death....i hafta disagree too. If my father felt that way, I'd never be the ping pong player I am today. How does someone learn if they don't play with someone better?? Also with me and my boys....i still can easily beat them in ping pong, horseshoes, pool, dirt bike riding....but I thoroughly enjoy teaching them and watching them improve.

Stoopid Duk, sayin stoopid things....

*hides*

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, Duk o death....i hafta disagree too. If my father felt that way, I'd never be the ping pong player I am today. How does someone learn if they don't play with someone better?? Also with me and my boys....i still can easily beat them in ping pong, horseshoes, pool, dirt bike riding....but I thoroughly enjoy teaching them and watching them improve.

Stoopid Duk, sayin stoopid things....

*hides*

No, KB, you're talking apples to my oranges.

You're talking about playing someone better than yourself in hopes of improving yourself. Totally makes sense. This thread was about wasting time playing a game that's already decided, instead of moving on and starting your next one.

My grandfather taught me to play chess when I was about 12. He was really good. I only beat him once in about 100 attempts. Which is fine. I didn't expect to win a lot, but every game I started, I knew I had at least a glimmer of a chance, and then one day, I did win one. But we didn't drag on the games once they were obviously over...

Ten years later, almost the exact same situation. My father-in-law in my first marriage was a certified Grandmaster. Crushed me almost every time. I finally won one after 35 attempts. I knew I was likely to lose each game, but I jumped in at every chance with enthusiasm. But once the games were obviously over, we would resign, not drag it out needlessly.

Taking a shot when you know that the odds are against you is the only way to improve. I play against people better than myself all the time on Conquer Club. But I don't drag out the games. As long as there is a glimmer of a chance, I will fight like hell. But when the game is obviously lost, I drop-and-run. I don't drag it out needlessly. That's what we're talking about here.

[KoolBak]

Ok.

Using the ping pong (horseshoes, pool) analogy, we always finish the game regardless.

I get what you're saying....just picking nits

[zeus111]

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 6&t=230045

36 hours of speed game history makes me believe this issue is just too out of control to even attempt to fix so possibly its time to amend this rule

[Donelladan]

How much of an hypocrite are you IcePack ?

Game 18919093 2017-12-07 04:02:53 - IcePack resigned
Game 17892347 2019-02-27 05:46:16 - IcePack resigned


So much for playing always till the end yeah.

You've barely played 10 trench speed games since the resign button been implemented but resigned 2. ( you've won the others otherwise I guess I'd have more examples ).

But nooooo no one should ever resign a risk game.

[zeus111]

How much of an hypocrite are you IcePack ?

Game 18919093 2017-12-07 04:02:53 - IcePack resigned
Game 17892347 2019-02-27 05:46:16 - IcePack resigned


So much for playing always till the end yeah.

You've barely played 10 trench speed games since the resign button been implemented but resigned 2. ( you've won the others otherwise I guess I'd have more examples ).

But nooooo no one should ever resign a risk game.

oh snap

[iAmCaffeine]

How much of an hypocrite are you IcePack ?

A big one, it's no secret. Welcome to the club.