The Nazi discussion.

[armati]

Forgot, thx for the foed explanation.

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[tzor]

Well, first of all you talked about "popularity." Despots are always popular in times of economic dire straights. The combination of the horrific constraints as a result of WWI and very disastrous economic policies made the people look for anyone who would save them. This wasn't unique to Germany and in fact Fascism started in Italy. Hitler sold the people snake oil about how they were the master race and were being unfairly picked on (at least the later had some sense of truth to it). Then he found an enemy they could attack and blame their problems on and they did so with a vengeance creating that infamous night of broken glass.

Now let's get back to the Catholic Church, as much despised by the Nazis as the Soviet Union. I'm lazy so I'll just quote from Wikipedia for now. (Catholic Church and Nazi Germany}

Nazi ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state.[43]

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Hitler was raised Catholic. Gobels was born to a Catholic family.

On the "Church Question", he wrote "after the war it has to be generally solved .... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a heroic-German world view".[50]

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A threatening, initially sporadic, persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover.[93] The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.[15]

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Clergy as well as members of male and female religious orders and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality".[131] Priests were watched closely and frequently denounced, arrested and sent to concentration camps.[135] From 1940, a dedicated Clergy Barracks had been established at Dachau concentration camp.[136]

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The point of this is to show that Christian ideology (not just Catholic teaching) was anathema to the whole concept that the Nazi party created in order to take total and absolute control of the people. Ignoring the wars and the targeting of the Jews their final aim was to burn their own people in a crucible to eliminate everything which they thought was "impure." Just like their relations with the Soviet Union the relations with the Vatican were basically worthless lies that they never intended to live up to.

[armati]

The Catholic priests were not sent to Dachau JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE PRIESTS. Catholics and Protestants alike were arrested as "enemies of the state" but........ ONLY if they preached against the Nazi government.........

An important policy of the Nazi party in Germany was called Gleichschaltung, a term that was coined in 1933 to mean that all German culture, religious practice, politics, and daily life should conform with Nazi ideology.

An example The 156 French, 63 Dutch, and 46 Belgians were primarily interned for their work in the Underground

The account of the torture of the 60 priests in Father Bernard's book was a description of the infamous hanging punishment. The hanging punishment was originated by Martin Sommer, an SS officer at Buchenwald. This punishment was abolished at Dachau by Commandant Martin Weiss in 1942. Sommer was dismissed from his job at Buchenwald and sent to the Eastern front after being put on trial in SS judge Dr. Georg Konrad Morgen's court in 1943 for abuse of the prisoners.

Notice here that Sommer was dismissed and sent to the eastern front for ABUSE OF PRISONERS.
Put on trial....a trial for mistreating prisoners at a concentration camp.

Nobody ever mentions that abuse of prisoners was not considered acceptable, not exactly as we are told.
Every once in awhile I run across that info. Maybe depends on the camp or who was running the camp?

I found this @ 'Catholic priests in the Dachau concentration camp '

[tzor]

The Catholic priests were not sent to Dachau JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE PRIESTS. Catholics and Protestants alike were arrested as "enemies of the state" but........ ONLY if they preached against the Nazi government.........

If they had not done so, the very stones themselves would have preached against it. But had you bothered to look at the article you would realize that this was all a pretense. The Nazi "faith" was a pagan worship of a mythical heritage and an all powerful state. The question was never whether but when and since the majority was still Lutheran, Catholic clergy was on the first wave of the ultimate progression to their thousand year rule.

The Priest Barracks of Dachau Concentration (in German Pfarrerblock, or Priesterblock) incarcerated clergy who had opposed the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler. From December 1940, Berlin ordered the transfer of clerical prisoners held at other camps, and Dachau became the centre for imprisonment of clergymen. Of a total of 2,720 clerics recorded as imprisoned at Dachau some 2,579 (or 94.88%) were Roman Catholics. Among the other denominations, there were 109 Protestants, 22 Greek Orthodox, 8 Old Catholics and Mariavites and 2 Muslims. Members of the Catholic Society of Jesus (Jesuits) were the largest group among the incarcerated clergy at Dachau.

The Nazis introduced a racial hierarchy – keeping Poles in harsh conditions, while favouring German priests. 697 Poles arrived in December 1941, and a further 500 of mainly elderly clergy were brought in October the following year. Inadequately clothed for the bitter cold, of this group only 82 survived. A large number of Polish priests were chosen for Nazi medical experiments. In November 1942, 20 were given phlegmons. 120 were used by Dr Schilling for malaria experiments between July 1942 and May 1944. Several Poles met their deaths with the "invalid trains" sent out from the camp, others were liquidated in the camp and given bogus death certificates. Some died of cruel punishment for misdemeanors – beaten to death or run to exhaustion.

[armati]

Tzor, the stones would not have sung. That comes from some christian story about Jesus. I've forgotten it now.
It might have come from the play Jesus christ superstar.

There is no "nazi faith" nazi is a socialist political party. There was a German faith movement, maybe thats what your talking about.

Recall nazi, national socialism was a legitimate party in the states until germany declared war on the U.S.

Prescott Bush made millions working with the nazis and the americans made his son and grandson their president.
So it sorta looks like they wernt too opposed to nazis. (americans dont like to acknowledge that too often)

Pétain was not the only person to agree with the nazis, socialism is a popular thing when people are having a tuff time.
The issue of course is that eventually you run out of other peoples money.

Your posting about mistreatment of prisoners, yupper sure happened, lets not forget Mengele.

People know about that, what they dont know about is guards and or commanders of concentration camps could be charged for mistreating prisoners.


As for pagan worship check out the Bohemian Grove.
Formed in the 1870s many american presidents have been members, it gathers every year in California june/july.
You might be surprised as to who attends this gathering at the Owl.


Just another western similarity to the nazis? or has it always been the same society?

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Things that make ya go hmmmmm.

Course we can always say "we study change dna good, nazi study change dna bad" Its just funny.
There is alot more to the first and second wars than is generally told.

Unfortunately, when people speak of it they are accused of being nazi or anti semitic.

People dont even know what semitic is. Good educations really, but everyone has an opinion.
Some are more valuable than others of course. Semitic actually has to do with language.

Semitic.
The term came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, some Ethiopians, and Aramaean tribes including Hebrews.

So, when the Israelis holler anti semite for being pro palestinian you can call bs. lol

[tzor]

There is no "nazi faith" nazi is a socialist political party.

Faith: "Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing."

Kirchenkampf(German: [ˈkɪʁçn̩kampf], "church struggle") is a German term pertaining to the situation of the Christian churches in Germany during the Nazi period (1933–1945). Sometimes used ambiguously, the term may refer to one or more of the following different "church struggles": the internal dispute between the German Christians (Deutsche Christen) and the Confessing Church (Bekennende Kirche) over control of the Protestant churches; the battle between the Nazi regime and the Protestant church bodies; and the battle between the Nazi regime and the Roman Catholic Church. Around two thirds of Germans were Protestant, and one third Catholic when the Nazis took power. Many historians maintain that Hitler's goal in the Kirchenkampf entailed not only ideological struggle, but ultimately the eradication of the churches.

Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people - their attitudes, values and mentalities - into a single-minded, obedient "national community". According to Ian Kershaw, in order to achieve this, the Nazis believed they would have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances by a "massively enhanced national self-awareness to mobilize the German people psychologically for the coming struggle and to boost their morale during the inevitable war".

In its racial categorization, Nazism viewed what it called the Aryan race as the master race of the world—a race that was superior to all other races. It viewed Aryans as being in racial conflict with a mixed race people, the Jews, whom the Nazis identified as a dangerous enemy of the Aryans. It also viewed a number of other peoples as dangerous to the well-being of the Aryan race. In order to preserve the perceived racial purity of the Aryan race, a set of race laws was introduced in 1935 which came to be known as the Nuremberg Laws. At first these laws only prevented sexual relations and marriages between Germans and Jews, but they were later extended to the "Gypsies, Negroes, and their bastard offspring", who were described by the Nazis as people of "alien blood". Such relations between Aryans (cf. Aryan certificate) and non-Aryans were now punishable under the race laws as Rassenschande or "race defilement". After the war began, the race defilement law was extended to include all foreigners (non-Germans). At the bottom of the racial scale of non-Aryans were Jews, Romanis, Slavs and blacks. To maintain the "purity and strength" of the Aryan race, the Nazis eventually sought to exterminate Jews, Romani, Slavs and the physically and mentally disabled. Other groups deemed "degenerate" and "asocial" who were not targeted for extermination, but were subjected to exclusionary treatment by the Nazi state, included homosexuals, blacks, Jehovah's Witnesses and political opponents. One of Hitler's ambitions at the start of the war was to exterminate, expel or enslave most or all Slavs from Central and Eastern Europe in order to acquire living space for German settlers.

Although Nazism is often seen as a reactionary movement, it did not seek a return of Germany to the pre-Weimar monarchy, but instead looked much further back to a mythic halcyon Germany which never existed. It has also been seen – as it was by the German-American scholar Franz Leopold Neumann – as the result of a crisis of capitalism which manifested as a "totalitarian monopoly capitalism". In this view Nazism is a mass movement of the middle class which was in opposition to a mass movement of workers in socialism and its extreme form, Communism.

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So there you have the elements of "Faith" ... a blinding belief in a past that never existed or at the very least could not be proved and a kit bashed bastardization of Darwin to promote the notion of the "Master Race" which is also a vile devolution of Nietzsche's (no not our Nietzsche, the other one) Übermensch

The term Übermensch was used frequently by Hitler and the Nazi regime to describe their idea of a biologically superior Aryan or Germanic master race; a racial version of Nietzsche's Übermensch became a philosophical foundation for National Socialist ideas. The Nazi notion of the master race also spawned the idea of "inferior humans" (Untermenschen) who should be dominated and enslaved; this term does not originate with Nietzsche, who was critical of both antisemitism and German nationalism. In his final years, Nietzsche began to believe that he was in fact Polish, not German, and was quoted as saying, "I am a pure-blooded Polish nobleman, without a single drop of bad blood, certainly not German blood". In defiance of nationalist doctrines, he claimed that he and Germany were great only because of "Polish blood in their veins", and that he would be "having all anti-semites shot" as an answer to his stance on anti-semitism. Nietzsche died long before Hitler's reign, and it was partly Nietzsche's sister Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche who manipulated her brother's words to accommodate the worldview of herself and her husband, Bernhard Förster, a prominent German nationalist and antisemite. Forster founded the Deutscher Volksverein (German People's League) in 1881 with Max Liebermann von Sonnenberg.

Pivoting one hundred and eighty degrees to your misdirection; many of the founding fathers and especially "The General" was fond of the relatively young Masonic movement.It is difficult to compare the actions of a fraternal movement with a group dedicated towards the military implementation of their beliefs against an unwilling people. It's sort of like comparing HEMA participants with suicide bombers.

[armati]

Not sure what your getting out of what your posting.

You again slip in a "jab" "misdirection" as if I am saying something that is incorrect.

Sorry, but Darwin has no bearing on the nazi party being a socialist political party.
Im am certain some Germans read his theories tho.

There was no "nazi faith" there was definitely faith IN the nazi party and there was a German "Faith Movement", which is what I think your talking about.

Your idea of faith..... "the elements of "Faith" ... a blinding belief in a past that never existed" kinda says all the religions are bunk. ok. Maybe they are, I would have no idea about that.

[Symmetry]

Tzor, you can't just bombard someone with dodgy encyclopedia entries.

[tzor]

I'm of the Acme Anvil school of combating stupid.
It's fun just to see the back peddling that has to be done.
He's now backed into a corner, covering his eyes and repeating "Nazis were just socialists."
So was the Soviet Union.
So was the United States (under the "progressive" policies of FDR).
So was Italy,
So was practically everyone.
But I think I'm done with this thread.

[armati]

Tzor

"there aint no cure for stupid".

Hope the admission fees weren't too high for that school.