Does Trump Deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?

[saxitoxin]

At today's party mass rally, the crowd began spontaneously chanting "NOBEL!" - calling for President Trump to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in breakthrough talks that may lead to peace and reunification of the Korean Peninsula.

[riskllama]

lol, no. he does not. don't be stupid, saxi.

[riskllama]

why do you suppose he's skipping the correspondents' dinner, saxi???

[HitRed]

The Korean War has never ended. my dad was there in the USS Kearsarge. History in the making before our eyes. Truly remarkable.

[armati]

50 foreign leaders whom the United States has attempted to assassinate:

1949 – Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950s – CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany to be “put out of the way” in the event of a Soviet invasion
1950s – Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life
1950s, 1962 – Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1951 – Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
1953 – Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran
1950s (mid) – Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 – Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 – Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959, 1963, 1969 – Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1960 – Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1950s-70s – José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 – Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 – Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
1961 – Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 – Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s-70s – Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
1960s – Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 – Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965-6 – Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 – Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 – Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 – Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s, 1981 – General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 – General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 – Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 – Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-1986 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 – Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
1983 – Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
1983 – Miguel d’Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 – The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
1985 – Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
1991 – Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1993 – Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia
1998, 2001-2 – Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant
1999 – Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2002 – Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord
2003 – Saddam Hussein and his two sons
2011 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya

U.S. attempts to overthrow governments (* indicates success):

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
[arguably, Syria 1949 needs to be added to this list. –DS]
The above list does not include numerous coups by U.S.-trained fighters


list of nations bombed by the United States:

Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-1961
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets)
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Iran 1987
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991 (Persian Gulf War)
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1993
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Yemen 2002
Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis)
Iraq 2003-2015
Afghanistan 2001-2015
Pakistan 2007-2015
Somalia 2007-8, 2011
Yemen 2009, 2011
Libya 2011, 2015
Syria 2014-2016

Lists are from William Blum “lets try democracy”

Kim better keep on his wits about him.

[karel]

hell yea..best prez since who the fook knows,obama should of never got 1,he should of got shit on a stick for doing nothing

[HitRed]

If Obama got 1 then Trump should get 50.

[HitRed]

This is a great opportunity to see how biased the Europeans are. They will says something silly like, He defeated ISIS so no award for Trump. Ending a war after 65 years is common so no award for Trump. He married a European Super Model so he got his reward already.

[riskllama]

lol, obama didn't deserve his, either. so, just to recap : your logic dictates that if barry got one, then trump should get one, too?

[Neoteny]

It would be weird for a Peace prize for peace on the Korean peninsula to go to anyone other than the Korean leaders themselves. Trump's capricious activities are a sideshow at best.

[mookiemcgee]

lol, obama didn't deserve his, either. so, just to recap : your logic dictates that if barry got one, then trump should get one, too?

No, his logic said if barry got one trump should get 50.

Let's just hold the award back and let something beyond 'a plan to have a meeting... soon' happen before we go giving it out.

[riskllama]

sounds reasonable, mook.

[HitRed]

South Korean leader said President Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

[mookiemcgee]

South Korean leader said President Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

North korean leader said Trump is a mentally deranged dotard.

Words....

[Neoteny]

South Korean leader said President Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

Yeah, this even baffles me. Take credit for the work you've done, bro.

[jonesthecurl]

He should get the "Nobble Peace" prize.

[mrswdk]

I think we'd all like a chance to nobble those North Korean police traffic gals.

[saxitoxin]

South Korean leader said President Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize.

Yeah, this even baffles me. Take credit for the work you've done, bro.

Kim Jong-un didn't just spontaneously wander across the DMZ. It preceded months of digital diplomacy by Trump, an earlier visit to the DPRK by Mike Pompeo as Trump's emissary, Trump's visit to Seoul for consultations with Moon, Moon's visit to Washington for consultations with Trump, etc. And the the Kim-Moon meeting was only the appetizer course to the main event between Kim and Trump anyway.

Moon Jae-in understands what the decrepit and feebled Democratic Party has been unable to understand due to the senility that has crippled it during during the twilight days of its existence.

[saxitoxin]

Actually, I don't think Trump should get the Nobel Prize.

Obama got the Nobel Prize for looking through a pair of binoculars at Kim jong-un.

If that's the standard for Nobel Prizes, Trump will need something much bigger and better after his historic summit takes place.

[Neoteny]

After Clinton was lambasted for attempting dialogue with North Korea, Obama took the even worse view of just completely ignoring obligations of working toward peace (and was also roundly criticized by his political opponents because consistency is not Washington's strong suit on either side of the aisle). He did somehow win a peace prize for this, so as far as useless prizes go, sure, give one to Trump. Why not at this point? Though, in Obama's defense, he didn't have a Moon Jae In in power with the political willpower to do anything.

I'm beginning to think that Moon's political understanding of the situation is actually very shrewd, as he does have to deal with peripheral parties such as the United States and China, who, for better or worse, were signatories to the armistice. What better way to grease those gears than feeding into the US's most egotistical and least intellectually capable leader since perhaps the inception of the country?

"Yes, Mr. Trump's incoherant yelling was key to convincing us to come together on this agreement. Please sign here and go away immediately."

[Dukasaur]

After Clinton was lambasted for attempting dialogue with North Korea, Obama took the even worse view of just completely ignoring obligations of working toward peace (and was also roundly criticized by his political opponents because consistency is not Washington's strong suit on either side of the aisle). He did somehow win a peace prize for this, so as far as useless prizes go, sure, give one to Trump. Why not at this point? Though, in Obama's defense, he didn't have a Moon Jae In in power with the political willpower to do anything.

I'm beginning to think that Moon's political understanding of the situation is actually very shrewd, as he does have to deal with peripheral parties such as the United States and China, who, for better or worse, were signatories to the armistice. What better way to grease those gears than feeding into the US's most egotistical and least intellectually capable leader since perhaps the inception of the country?

"Yes, Mr. Trump's incoherant yelling was key to convincing us to come together on this agreement. Please sign here and go away immediately."

This.

[riskllama]

Neoteny wins this thread.

[saxitoxin]

Trump wins the thread: 6-4.

[mrswdk]

[riskllama]