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Postby chewyman on Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:08 am

Anarchist wrote:extremist examples on both of them, good point though.

Thank you. It's an argumentative tactic I learned in philosophy. To best express the flaws behind a point of view you should take it to an extreme example. Very few ideas survive beyond this point.

Anarchist wrote:However the morality issue on polygamy is far different then your doctor example, I guess what i mean to say is that if morality is the only contributing factor then it shouldnt be allowed to become law(keep thinking of homosexuality wanting to say by people it does not effect)

I agree, my point was simply that there is a place for morality in government. The thing is, our morality is usually there for a reason other than pure circumstance. Incest is immoral and leads to birth defects. Eating pork was immoral in ancient Judea where if not cooked correctly the Pork meat could still contain living worms capable of killing the eater. I've been trying to avoid speaking out against homosexuality in this thread, but I'm more than happy to if a new thread is created. Sticking then to polygamy, it is against our moral framework, it isn't natural for human beings, and society is affected in ways already discussed.

Anarchist wrote:Heroin is bad-I agree, but some of your examples arent entirely heroin's fault(whole guns dont kill people,people kill people example)
im suggesting that drugs shouldnt be illegalised on moral grounds but due to the negative impact they have on society, not on fabricated evidence either.
(which is how you managed to compare all illegal drugs to heroin, heroin isnt illegal because people use it, it is illegal because people abuse it- negative impact on society etc...)

Of course, that's why I support the use of heroin, marijuana and other drugs for medical purposes. As I have demonstrated, morality must play a role in our decision making as a society. But even if you disregarded this, heroin clearly does have a negative impact on society (as I have also demonstrated).
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Postby Anarchist on Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:11 am

yes it does, so can a lot of things.

What about spiritual purposes? (often ignored)
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Postby AlgyTaylor on Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:37 am

I guess if everyone involved is OK with it, I don't see anything particularly wrong with polygamy.
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Postby chewyman on Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:44 am

Anarchist wrote:yes it does, so can a lot of things.

What about spiritual purposes? (often ignored)

Sorry my last post was quite long, what's the 'it' you are referring to?

What about spiritual purposes?
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Postby Anarchist on Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:55 am

chewyman wrote:
Anarchist wrote:yes it does, so can a lot of things.

What about spiritual purposes? (often ignored)

Sorry my last post was quite long, what's the 'it' you are referring to?

What about spiritual purposes?


sorry, It was heroine
Spiritual was; Would you allow a Rastafarian to smoke pot?
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Postby chewyman on Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:09 am

You're right, heroin most definitely isn't the only thing that has a negative impact on society. The question for everything must be whether or not its benefits outweigh its negatives.

Concerning your Rastafarian example, let's flesh it out a bit. Say Nation X declares marijuana to be illegal. X has a very friendly immigration system, and the Rastafarian, who I shall refer to as person Y, is welcomed to his/her new home. The fact that Y has a different culture to that of X is no excuse for Y to break the laws of X. Y has chosen to live in X and must abide by X's laws. Y is free to carry out his/her religion, provided it does not contradict the laws of X.
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:19 am

Polygamy has a high chance to boost the effects of global warming.
We should all stay with monogamy or autogamy or agamy. Maybe bigamy would work also, but it has a moderate chance to boost the effects of globalization.

I'd say Polygamy is a hard way of life. The women are unhappy in most cases. It doesn't really work to full-extent. Nobody can really be happy with it. Except that's the case in the Western society.
In other cultures it depends also.
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Postby Anarchist on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:21 am

ah so government is more important then religion,
I would hope that Nation Y wont be forced into illegalizing Cannabis as part of trade negotiations with Nation X...
Guess I wont bother asking you if you think weed should be legalised, but what are its negative effects on society?

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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 am

Tazeyo wrote:Polygamy has a high chance to boost the effects of global warming.

How so?
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Postby Anarchist on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:25 am

by increasing the furnace that is hell(homosexuals too)
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:25 am

Nation Y wouldn't need to illegalize cannabis for Nation X, except in the case that Nation X wants it to happen and if Nation Y has no other choice, but to accept that to have the trade relation. :?
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:26 am

Actually, the belief that Hell is a furnace is actually wrong. If people read the bible, they would know that it is like how we bury our 'dead' now. No hell, they just rot away in the ground into nothingness.
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:27 am

Skittles! wrote:
Tazeyo wrote:Polygamy has a high chance to boost the effects of global warming.

How so?


When people are stressed with a bad marriage their heart beats more and they use more oxygen, releasing more gasses into the atmosphere.
Now if we don't have enough trees in the area where these gasses are taken it will be catastrophic. :wink:
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:29 am

Skittles! wrote:Actually, the belief that Hell is a furnace is actually wrong. If people read the bible, they would know that it is like how we bury our 'dead' now. No hell, they just rot away in the ground into nothingness.


The belief that hell is a furnace came in the middle ages when the church wanted people to be under the fear of hell, and then making art that displays it as horrible. So when people believe this, then you're boss (if you're the church.) If you think otherwise, you've become a heretic and the church kills you off.
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:29 am

Tazeyo wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
Tazeyo wrote:Polygamy has a high chance to boost the effects of global warming.

How so?


When people are stressed with a bad marriage their heart beats more and they use more oxygen, releasing more gasses into the atmosphere.
Now if we don't have enough trees in the area where these gasses are taken it will be catastrophic. :wink:

Come to Australia then! We have plenty of trees. Or you could just go to the Amazons.
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:31 am

Tazeyo wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Actually, the belief that Hell is a furnace is actually wrong. If people read the bible, they would know that it is like how we bury our 'dead' now. No hell, they just rot away in the ground into nothingness.


The belief that hell is a furnace came in the middle ages when the church wanted people to be under the fear of hell, and then making art that displays it as horrible. So when people believe this, then you're boss (if you're the church.) If you think otherwise, you've become a heretic and the church kills you off.

Another instant where the Church used people to further its own gains.
You see pretty smart. Already I've learnt 2 things in 5 minutes.
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:37 am

The Catholic church has been like that. The last pope is one of the only non-corrupt popes I remember. :cry:
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:47 am

Tazeyo wrote:The Catholic church has been like that. The last pope is one of the only non-corrupt popes I remember. :cry:
May he rest in peace.
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I don't know many of the Popes, but that's a different thread.
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:50 am

Back to topic then. :)

Hm... Polygamy... HBO... Big Love.

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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:51 am

Why is it 3?
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:00 am

You're right. We'd have to go with (3+) to be exactly right. 8)
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:01 am

But why can't it be 2?
And doesn't Poly normally mean 5?
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:14 am

Poly can actually range from 2 upwards, but when people use 2 they use "bi" prefix-. I dunno!
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Postby chewyman on Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:49 am

Anarchist wrote:ah so government is more important then religion,
I would hope that Nation Y wont be forced into illegalizing Cannabis as part of trade negotiations with Nation X...
Guess I wont bother asking you if you think weed should be legalised, but what are its negative effects on society?

(so far off topic!)

Government is more important that religion, but religion does have a place within government. Nation Y is free to decide on its own stance on marijuana. Both nations have the ability to attempt to change the other's policy through economic pressure.
I know this is just going to blow your mind but guess what: I smoke marijuana casually maybe once every couple of months with friends. That doesn't excuse it, but it may help to explain why I would like it legalised. Believe it or not, I'm not a perfect person. :lol:

Nation Y wouldn't need to illegalize cannabis for Nation X, except in the case that Nation X wants it to happen and if Nation Y has no other choice, but to accept that to have the trade relation.

Err, Y wasn't a nation, it specifically referred to the one Rastafarian person. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
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Postby Tazeyo on Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:55 am

chewyman wrote:
Tazeyo wrote:Nation Y wouldn't need to illegalize cannabis for Nation X, except in the case that Nation X wants it to happen and if Nation Y has no other choice, but to accept that to have the trade relation.

Err, Y wasn't a nation, it specifically referred to the one Rastafarian person. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.


I was anwering to the other person, who was talking about Nation Y.
I took that as the place where the rastafarian comes from.
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