Balance Not Included Come Back Mafia End Game: Mod Down!!!

by **dakky21** on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:45 pm

Specifically it said what I wrote above.

by **Skoffin** on Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:02 pm

Ok, so the roleblock is unconfirmed but it's a possibility. So with that

DJ - One of the few people whose role ability can't be confirmed in any manner, and one of the few people capable of making the kill action N2. Hasn't been helpful towards town, and only became active at times to discredit my theories regarding him and OMGUS. Regardless of his alignment, he needs to post a lot more.

Mets - One of the few people who could have performed the night kill N2, and could also perform the kill N3. Playstyle has been very similar to how I play as scum; he plays very middle of the road, he asks plenty of questions regardless of who is being lynched but doesn't take an active stance towards anything. Feels like he is playing the entire field to not ruffle any feathers, which appears to be working as a few people see nothing scummy in his playstyle. My top contender for scum at the moment.

Dakky - Has lead to some confusing scenarios recently, and DDS made some good points on him. However, my take is that dakky is not very good at explaining himself in general and not that he is scum confusing his fake claims. He's not on my list at present.

DDS - Has been active and made some good points. However is also a possible reason the N2 kill did not happen, as his action was turned into a roleblock. He's one of the few explanations as to what happened N2, as such he must be on my suspect list for now.

Legion - He was integral to getting Ragian lynched which would point to him being town. However I've started finding him suspicious, first that he basically changed the description of his role D1 to get ragian lynched but that he essentially disappeared after that day. Potentially he could be scum that bussed a partner for town-cred and now just thinks he can coast through to the end of the game and not do or say anything. He is also one of the few people that could have failed the night kill on N2 (he was roleblocked). Regardless of his alignment, he needs to be more active - he has posted about 6 times in a month's time and at least two of those were just "I'll post later". Personally I think he needs to be replaced.

Chu - IF there is a redirector in the game, then chu is my top candiate for being that role; he's crafty enough to try to move himself around to try to get me killed that way or mess up who I hide behind. However, if there is no redirector, then he is clear. There is a reasonable chance at this point that there is no redirector, however I won't discount it entirely until we see a few more nights play out.

Skoffin - pro-town hero

Nag - Didn't consider anything said to stop the sam lynch, then uses part of that same argument to stop me voting DJ. Seems convinced I am scum for baffling reasons, but other than that my wondering is whether he is scum trying to discredit me and hopping on the easy sam lynch or whether he is just a bit too distracted by RL atm and not playing to the best of his ability. At the moment I think it's the latter, as such he's not on my suspect list.

by **Skoffin** on Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:12 pm

so one possibility for something we could do:

We lynch someone, such as mets (soz)

I hide behind someone such as legion
DDS watches Legion
DJ protects DDS

Scenarios:

I die:
Legion is scum, or DDS sees someone visit legion (a redirector)
You lynch the person DDS sees visit, or if no one does then you lynch legion
If legion turns out town, then DDS is lying about what he saw and you lynch DDS. If you lynch whomever DDS claims to see visit and they turn out town, then you lynch DDS.

I live:
Legion is cleared, unless DDS claims he saw someone visit. We either have a clear townie or we have a scumster (either DDS catches someone or DDS lies about seeing someone)

DJ protects DDS to keep him alive to figure things out the next day.
Nag could target someone like chu or dakky to see what happens

by **dakky21** on Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:29 pm

I agree with Mets lynch. Even if he is giving gifts to me I think he is the best target so far. What, I'll lose an ability to do target people with Alarm clocks and hot waffle potatoes. Big deal... at least we will know where are we standing.

vote mets

by **Skoffin** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:39 am

I believe we have two days left before the deadline, would be good to see more opinions before we get stuck rushing this. For now I'm going with my best contender for scum as no one has presented a better option or given a reason for mets to be more likely town

Vote mets

by **Skoffin** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:40 am

Goddamnit

Vote Mets

by **DirtyDishSoap** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:02 am

Skoffin wrote:Dakky - Has lead to some confusing scenarios recently, and DDS made some good points on him. However, my take is that dakky is not very good at explaining himself in general and not that he is scum confusing his fake claims. He's not on my list at present.

I'm aware that we're opting on lynching Mets, and as much as I want to vote for him since he's also been my top suspect, I can't shake the feeling that Dakky is scum. Depending on how tomorrow plays out, I'll change my vote to avoid a no lynch, but for right now, it stays.

It's one thing that his explaining is poor, but it's entirely different on how 1. The night action that lead me to role blocking Legion. And 2. How we've all been caught up since Ragian that there is a bus/redirector in this game, when now I'm fairly certain there isn't.

I still cannot grasp as to why he would choose to target one of two roles that claimed, and I find it incredibly convenient that he chose me "randomly" and "guessed" what the alarm clock gift would do, which ended up with me roleblocking Legion. He received my role and targeted Samlen afterwards, so I'm venturing a rather large guess here in that he did indeed know what the alarm clock did. I would even say him targeting Samlen proves this.

2nd. The story of being redirected to explain his action, and him acting confused and basically "cluttering" the day with nonsense when he actually knew what had happened didn't help the Town one bit. I'm sorry, but I can't view it any other way at this time other than it was him just attempting to confuse Town. There's just too many things that were "convenient" and "lulz, I guessed".

Just look it over for a minute, and ask yourself if his actions really aren't meant to be hostile and was him just "guessing" the entire time.

If we can't come to an agreement, however, I will change my vote.

by **Skoffin** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:07 am

I get what you are saying DDS and understand where you are coming from, and had this been any other player I'd probably be joining you in voting for them. I guess for me it's just that I think Dakky is a terrible player and this is just him playing terribly as usual, as harsh as that is XD Maybe he really is scum and isn't as bad as I think he is, but I think it's just him not being clear in what he is saying and not fully understanding what is going on around him.

by **DirtyDishSoap** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:16 am

Well God forbid if I pulled another mitch

by **Skoffin** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:20 am

What do you mean by 'pulled another mitch'?

by **DirtyDishSoap** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:23 am

By picking on a bad player and being a stubborn ass about it.

by **Skoffin** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:25 am

Ahh fair enough.
I guess my position is worse though, I could be picking on someone's skills for no good reason if I turn out wrong XD

by **Djfireside** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:28 pm

I wish I could say that I was actually inactive but I have been working on something and getting pulled from work. I am here just having time getting my thoughts out so will just do so once I get them. When we were composing the list here is what I got.

(hider) Skoffin - Its pretty noted that Skoffin and Chu are working more in unisome which isnt a bad thing but lines up a pair. Both claimed immunity at one point and the waffling of how the role would work on Mafia earlier kinda struck me off a bit. I have a hard time believing Chu being full on bulletproof but can not discount the role if its positive so I will test the theory on Skoffin.
(Test Subject) Dakky -- I had some issues every since the Roleblock and everything that something just didnt fit. There are quite a few ways that this can go and as I stated I think that Mets and Dakky exist together but one can be scum and alot of what Dakky has done has left me questioning things and they were first on my list going into this but dropped once I started typing it.
(Dr Egg Gifter) Metsfanmax -- The naming convention leads me to think scum and some of the gifts do as well and Im having issues between him and Dakky if I were to Test them
(Diamond Bulletproof) Chu -- I have issues with their claim of 100% bulletproof but with the no kill it does lend itself that it may have occurred with either Skoff or Chu.
(Instigator) Nag - I dont like their role and havent really been able to prove anything with them.
(Owl Watcher) DirtyDishsoap -- Proven watcher, I have nothing that really points them scummy.
(Delayer) Legion -- Cop proven, if they are scum they submarined well.
(Dr Hibbert) Dr fireside

I am torn between the two groups. Skoffin makes a point that we can test various aspects and ensure that each person is doing as they say. I am willing to test Skoffins theories but between mets and dakky I am also torn and lean towards dakky however

I have one question that I dont think was answered yet.

Dakky, do you have a choice to use the gifts or are you forced?

by **nagerous** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:13 pm

Skoffin wrote: so one possibility for something we could do:

We lynch someone, such as mets (soz)

I hide behind someone such as legion
DDS watches Legion
DJ protects DDS

Scenarios:

I die:
Legion is scum, or DDS sees someone visit legion (a redirector)
You lynch the person DDS sees visit, or if no one does then you lynch legion
If legion turns out town, then DDS is lying about what he saw and you lynch DDS. If you lynch whomever DDS claims to see visit and they turn out town, then you lynch DDS.

I live:
Legion is cleared, unless DDS claims he saw someone visit. We either have a clear townie or we have a scumster (either DDS catches someone or DDS lies about seeing someone)

DJ protects DDS to keep him alive to figure things out the next day.
Nag could target someone like chu or dakky to see what happens

I was thinking of targeting you in the night. If I die then people will see my role is real and learn you are scum. As you would have been redirected to me and hidden behind me but should have therefore also died. Makes sense to me

Can we have a vote count please

by **Skoffin** on Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:39 pm

I'm confused as to that last part about me dying?
In any case, if the information I have is correct, then by all accounts you should not be able to target me at all. This could indeed benefit us, as either you'll get a message that states your action failed somehow which proves my role (best option) or nothing happens. You'll see that I did not make a kill action and we'll further be able to figure out who had the ability to do so with the actions that are out there.

Something I've been meaning to ask; Chu, what were the details of your role exactly? A few people seem to be under the impression that you would be too OP or that scum could have targeted you before and I don't get why.
My understanding of a BP is that you get a one shot vest that saves you one time, and you get a message if you get hit stating you have lost the vest. Is yours different?

by **strike wolf** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:27 am

Sorry all. Ibe been having a lot of trouble getting Internet access over the 5 days. If someone could do a vote count for me, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I'll try to do it later today or tonight.

by **Skoffin** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:46 am

Chu
Nag
Djfireside
Dakky (1) DDS
Mets (2) Dakky, Skoffin
Legion
DDS
Skoffin (1) Nag

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

There you go

by **Skoffin** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:17 am

So if I have things right:

DDS: His top suspects are Dakky, Mets, then nag or DJ.

Chu: Top suspects are Dakky, DDS then DJ

Nag: Skoffin, then one of dakky/mets

Skoffin: Mets, DDS/legion or DJ

Dakky: Mets

DJ: Chu/Skoffin or mets/dakky

So we're missing input from legion and mets

by **Djfireside** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:32 am

Correct, Legion has seemed to disappear worse than I have lately which is pretty bad.

I have been trying to read through both of my scenarios and the more I think about it the more I would lean toward Mets being scum if Dakky and mets were split scum/good. Especially based on their name, it fits to follow sonic logic.

I think doing the night test would help me with skoff and solidifying various other things so:

Vote Mets

by **Djfireside** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:33 am

Skoffin wrote:Nag
Djfireside
Dakky (1) DDS
Mets (2) Dakky, Skoffin, DjF
Legion
DDS
Skoffin (1) Nag

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

There you go

by **DirtyDishSoap** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:23 am

Alright, going to avoid the no lynch as I've said earlier.

Unvote Vote Mets

by **DirtyDishSoap** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:23 am

Stupid bold

Unvote Vote Mets.

by **Metsfanmax** on Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:04 am

Well I don't think I should be lynched, so I have to pick someone, and even though it's definitely OMGUS, I'm going to vote DjFireside for choosing to try and lynch me based on my character name in a game with random alignment.