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[nagerous]

Overzealous sports fan - town instigator. Never heard of the role title but I have sort of explained how it operates.

I have just found Sam really suss, something about his closed off approach hasn't sat right with me.

[Skoffin]

What do you mean by closed off approach?
And how come him not using his night action bothered you?


But we really need chu and mets to say something here.

[Fircoal]

Chu, out of interest, why is Mets on your town list? Funny thing about Mets is he is playing the way I do when I'm scum, so I do not entirely trust him.

He seems to be questioning everything which I find to be good town play. It important for town not to get stuck in thinking that there is only one possible truth. Furthermore nothing he's done has seemed that scummy to me.

[Fircoal]

We are actually only missing any form of claims from Mets, chu and myself; as such it may be best to lynch from this bunch. If one of these dudes happens to be the immunity giver then we lynch the third.

I don't want to full claim because of how my role works but I'll tell you all this.

I am Diamond. I don't have a night action but I had reason to believe I did something night 1 or night 2. As it turns out its very likely I did nothing night 1but I don't know about night 2. Hopefully you all understand why I don't want to completely claim. Although that said I'm willing to do so if requested.

Also typing on a phone is annoying.

[Skoffin]

Chu, out of interest, why is Mets on your town list? Funny thing about Mets is he is playing the way I do when I'm scum, so I do not entirely trust him.

He seems to be questioning everything which I find to be good town play. It important for town not to get stuck in thinking that there is only one possible truth. Furthermore nothing he's done has seemed that scummy to me.

But he's also not really made his own cases, he's defended people sure but it appears to be playing all sides. As I said, he's playing as I do when I am scum.


I think some of these claims are getting a bit too weird to be believable at this point.

I'll say dakky's is believable as it is now backed up by Nag, and sam is somewhat backed up there. So those three and Legion should be left for now.
DDS' claim is a bit weird, and so is Chu's. Not sure if one of them is scum taking advantage of the weird claims that have already come forward.
I'd still like to hear from Mets and everyone else. We are quickly going to run out of time and I do not want to speed lynch a townie.

[Djfireside]

I dont see how you can clear Dakky that fast still. I believe that their statement of on Nag visiting Sam was correct but even dakky was shocked at getting the result. What were they doing to DDS in the first place? They were a known watcher so blocking the watcher would have been a good move. Dakky care to state your role because the only roles we are still really missing are I believe:

Roleblocker
Gifter
BusDriver
RoleSwapper

My top 3 for scum are the following

Dakky, Skoffin, Nag

I think Dakky is the roleblocker based on what happened and I have described.
I think that Skoffin is gifter and think they started the Hot Potato.

And Nag, They are an instigator. How is that in any sense town friendly? There are normally split roles between if you hit town or scum but I can place an instigator in town. I may flip my vote based on this actually now that I think about it.

[Metsfanmax]

As we are closing the day, and I think it's better to lynch than not, I'm going to end it with: vote Samlen. Sam's actions are the scummiest to me out of the lynch options today, and I really don't like how hard Sam is pushing on Fircoal when (as far as I can tell) Fircoal is looking pretty town to me.

Also, since at this point claiming is better than not claiming, so that we can clear up the confusion, I will reveal that I am the gifter and am responsible for the "hot potato."

[Metsfanmax]

And Nag, They are an instigator. How is that in any sense town friendly? There are normally split roles between if you hit town or scum but I can place an instigator in town. I may flip my vote based on this actually now that I think about it.

Read the game rules. Roles were assigned randomly without considering alignment. You cannot read anything into the intrinsic "town friendliness" of a role.

[Samlen]

As we are closing the day, and I think it's better to lynch than not, I'm going to end it with: vote Samlen. Sam's actions are the scummiest to me out of the lynch options today, and I really don't like how hard Sam is pushing on Fircoal when (as far as I can tell) Fircoal is looking pretty town to me.

Also, since at this point claiming is better than not claiming, so that we can clear up the confusion, I will reveal that I am the gifter and am responsible for the "hot potato."

You could at least explain what actions are scummy/why. Also, lynching is our most powerful tool but gathering info in the night is also powerful. The 'lynching just to lynch' mentality some people have is a little dangerous.

[Skoffin]

I don't get what is so confusing DJ. Dakky was shocked because Dakky is also easily confused and did not know about a redirector. Dakky claiming would certainly help, but I still don't get why you are so bothered by me being able to figure things out when you can't.


I still don't understand the votes for Sam, or why you guys won't give a response to the matter between nag/sam that shows Sam did not put a kill forward and thus decreases his chance of being scum. Also a bit perturbed at the allying going between chu and mets for no good reason there. I think it's more likely that chu is suckering mets than the other way around, though.

Sam at this point I think it's best you claim before you are lynched. I don't think Sam is scum and I'll have to vote chu if people are going to proceed with voting him, as I imagine someone is going to get rush voted and sam's the only option right now. I'll take the consequences if I happen to be wrong about Sam.

Vote Fircoal

[Fircoal]

As we are closing the day, and I think it's better to lynch than not, I'm going to end it with: vote Samlen. Sam's actions are the scummiest to me out of the lynch options today, and I really don't like how hard Sam is pushing on Fircoal when (as far as I can tell) Fircoal is looking pretty town to me.

Also, since at this point claiming is better than not claiming, so that we can clear up the confusion, I will reveal that I am the gifter and am responsible for the "hot potato."

You could at least explain what actions are scummy/why. Also, lynching is our most powerful tool but gathering info in the night is also powerful. The 'lynching just to lynch' mentality some people have is a little dangerous.

Gathering info is great when there is info to grab. How are we going to be able to grab more info? As far as we can tell there are no more investigative roles besides DDS's watcher, and while watchers are great they're more of a Doc power than an investigative one in how they work out. I guess we can analyze what we see from the night actions but even that seems hard with what we got. So I'm not sure if we'll be able to find out as much as you say that we can.

I still don't understand the votes for Sam, or why you guys won't give a response to the matter between nag/sam that shows Sam did not put a kill forward and thus decreases his chance of being scum. Also a bit perturbed at the allying going between chu and mets for no good reason there. I think it's more likely that chu is suckering mets than the other way around, though.

Sam at this point I think it's best you claim before you are lynched. I don't think Sam is scum and I'll have to vote chu if people are going to proceed with voting him, as I imagine someone is going to get rush voted and sam's the only option right now. I'll take the consequences if I happen to be wrong about Sam.

Vote Fircoal

I still find issue with how Sam has played. Pretty much everyone has more or less claimed their roles. I think you and Sam need to start claiming yours. Especially Sam.

I think you should be more concerned about the consequences of voting for a town member and trying to get them lynched. > >

[DirtyDishSoap]

With the end of the day close at hand, I'm going with: Vote Fircoal. (I doubt I'll be on before the day ends, have a new gym routine for my fat ass).

The theory we threw out there isn't concrete enough to convict Sam, and it'd be an incredibly poor play on Ragians part (assuming we all believe in the Ragian Hype) to just throw Sam under like that if he were scum. I have a hard time believing any player would make that sort of play.

As I said when I voted Samlen initially. It was the only (loose) lead/theory we had, but due to increased pressure of the day and how thing's are going, I'm going to have to take sides in what I believe to be right.

[nagerous]

What do you mean by closed off approach?
And how come him not using his night action bothered you?


But we really need chu and mets to say something here.

There was just a certain amount of convenience in regards to Sam's lack of night action and ragians claim he blocked Sam. It seemed way too supportive of each other. Strike mentioned in the night he was missing two night actions night one, one was me as I hadn't got around to telling him no action. I quizzed Sam repeatedly as to whether he told strike no action to find out if he was the other person, he has been closed off as in he has completely stonewalled any attempt to give us even a smidgen of information to prove his towniness, the guy has not been working with the town

[Skoffin]

What do you mean by closed off approach?
And how come him not using his night action bothered you?


But we really need chu and mets to say something here.

There was just a certain amount of convenience in regards to Sam's lack of night action and ragians claim he blocked Sam. It seemed way too supportive of each other. Strike mentioned in the night he was missing two night actions night one, one was me as I hadn't got around to telling him no action. I quizzed Sam repeatedly as to whether he told strike no action to find out if he was the other person, he has been closed off as in he has completely stonewalled any attempt to give us even a smidgen of information to prove his towniness, the guy has not been working with the town

Sure, but then if Ragian had claimed to have jailed you then you would have been suspicious for the same reason. Now Chu also claims to probably not have had actions at night. Three people claiming they didn't use their actions is pretty bizarre, and chu's partial role-claim is weirder still on top of that.
What did you say your role name was?

I think it would help to know Sam's actual role to figure out the deal between the odd claims thus far. I'll roleclaim after Sam reveals what he is.

[legionnare]

sorry I've not been active I will read through what I have missed and post a full response later tonight.

[TimWoodbury]

vote salmen if hes the chosenj one then cant heloo to try to help especially due to day comeing clsoe to an end

[Skoffin]

It's very important that Samlen reveals his role before any lynch, I'm not going to specify why that is until he claims. I ask that no one else vote for him at the moment to get his claim out otherwise I will have to assume you are scum for it.

[Djfireside]

Im curious to see what comes of this but I will wait tapping away

[nagerous]

It's very important that Samlen reveals his role before any lynch, I'm not going to specify why that is until he claims. I ask that no one else vote for him at the moment to get his claim out otherwise I will have to assume you are scum for it.

Are you saying there is a link with your roles ?

[nagerous]

Not sure if you were asking me the name of my role again skoff but it is overzealous sports fan as per top of the page

[Fircoal]

With the end of the day close at hand, I'm going with: Vote Fircoal. (I doubt I'll be on before the day ends, have a new gym routine for my fat ass).

The theory we threw out there isn't concrete enough to convict Sam, and it'd be an incredibly poor play on Ragians part (assuming we all believe in the Ragian Hype) to just throw Sam under like that if he were scum. I have a hard time believing any player would make that sort of play.

As I said when I voted Samlen initially. It was the only (loose) lead/theory we had, but due to increased pressure of the day and how thing's are going, I'm going to have to take sides in what I believe to be right.

But there's also no theory to convict me either? This looks like really weak reasoning to me, if there is any here. In fact you're basically flip flopping from what you said earlier without any actual reason behind it which I find very suspicious. You said that Samlen was the only theory we had and then you vote me despite that. This has so many layers of suspiciousness honestly.

And as I explained, the point of Ragian throwing it to Sam wouldn't be to throw him under the bus, it would be to either help himself out or help Sam out.

What do you mean by closed off approach?
And how come him not using his night action bothered you?


But we really need chu and mets to say something here.

There was just a certain amount of convenience in regards to Sam's lack of night action and ragians claim he blocked Sam. It seemed way too supportive of each other. Strike mentioned in the night he was missing two night actions night one, one was me as I hadn't got around to telling him no action. I quizzed Sam repeatedly as to whether he told strike no action to find out if he was the other person, he has been closed off as in he has completely stonewalled any attempt to give us even a smidgen of information to prove his towniness, the guy has not been working with the town

Sure, but then if Ragian had claimed to have jailed you then you would have been suspicious for the same reason. Now Chu also claims to probably not have had actions at night. Three people claiming they didn't use their actions is pretty bizarre, and chu's partial role-claim is weirder still on top of that.
What did you say your role name was?

I think it would help to know Sam's actual role to figure out the deal between the odd claims thus far. I'll roleclaim after Sam reveals what he is.

Let me make it clear. I do NOT have an action at night. I have a power of sorts but no action. My role is a more or a less common one too, it's not something special or inventive.

I also agree that it's important that we hear Samlen out before we vote him.

[Samlen]

Fine. I am hated extra #5. I am a miller with literally no abilities and the ENTIRE point of me not claiming was to get mafia to kill me instead of one of our useful power roles. There was more than enough evidence to indicate that I was highly unlikely to be mafia but apparently enough of you are too stubborn to realize that.

[dakky21]

Fine. I am hated extra #5. I am a miller with literally no abilities and the ENTIRE point of me not claiming was to get mafia to kill me instead of one of our useful power roles. There was more than enough evidence to indicate that I was highly unlikely to be mafia but apparently enough of you are too stubborn to realize that.

Sam, any scum would say the same thing. Great escape strategy to claim being useless. No abilities in a game like this sounds to me as bulls*it. Like Chu said, he doesn't have a night action, but he has a role (that could be a modifier or a day action). So I simply can't believe you don't have anything.

[Samlen]

Pretty sure scum could claim anything and get away with it in a setup like this. I have no abilities that I know of. Might have hidden ones but again, as far as I know, I have no abilities.

[Djfireside]

Correct anyone can claim anything just some fit more than others.