Civilization Mafia - Town Victory!

[Samlen]

It's entirely possible. I've been trying to figure who the 'uncivilized' people are and this is the answer that clicks the most for me. The most likely choices for 'uncivilized' are:
1.Barbarians
2.A few random civs were chosen to be the 'mafia'
3. We are all 'uncivilized' compared to each other so we are all trying to compete for solo victory.

If it's the first option the barbarians probably just kill someone each night instead of building stuff.

If it's the second option it's a group of civs that act like us but essentially have a secret alliance.

If it's the third option then what we build at night directly correlates on how we can protect ourselves/further ourselves towards (likely) solo victory and what we do during the day is probably figure out the strongest person and lynch them.

Blech I just reread my pm and realized that the way it is worded makes it highly unlikely that the third one is the way this game is setup since it seems there is an actual town whom are considered the 'civilized' nations. So my *new* theory is that it's the second option and the reason that these civs are 'uncivilzed' is because they are trying to take over the world whereas the civilized civs are trying to live in relative peace.

[madmitch]

@ Skoffin I find it funny when a barbaric race like you (Wales) would judge me,I was told I amthe nation of_____. I have no role apart being Town and I must develop my nation by using a list of buildings and pick one to build at night, I win when all threats to a civilized nation like myself are eliminated,and I think I will start with you. vote Skoffin

[Skoffin]

Well Samlen the funny thing here is that my role PM specifically states I am town - thus there must in fact be a town, so you're suggestion that there may not be a town is quite outlandish and bizarre. Now that you've somewhat corrected your statement, there is still the fact that being told you are town is hard to miss and and your third option is literally impossible based on my PM. So, what what Sir?

@ Skoffin I find it funny when a barbaric race like you (Wales) would judge me,I was told I amthe nation of_____. I have no role apart being Town and I must develop my nation by using a list of buildings and pick one to build at night, I win when all threats to a civilized nation like myself are eliminated,and I think I will start with you. vote Skoffin

Excuse me? First of all, I am the most noble and advanced nation representative here. I am the greatest. No one words like me! I bet you don't even understand basic etiquette; you probably eat with your hands! What sort of mockery are you trying to make here?
Second, I am not wales and I am not sure how you came to that conclusion (Interestingly, my real name happens to be of welsh origin, but that has no bearing on this game eh)
Third, I'm not sure you understand how nations work. But for starters, Wales is not a barbaric nation. I suppose it also depends on what time period you consider too, as Wales has belonged to England for some time.

[nagerous]

He thinks you are Welsh because you confirmed as Iwan Rheon. It is some bizarre theory including ga7's kwanfirm as a potential Korean claim .

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Sorry, I am waiting for an apology from all those who said that my agressive play is unnecessary and unhelpful.

Lets watch the game stall. Oh look it already has.

It was the weekend. There's a difference between aggressive and insulting.

Yeah, and I know the line, Skittles does not.

@Skoffin. Nag isnt civilised, he owes me an apology.

LOL @ Samlen, way to go and scumslip. This does quite a bit of diservice to Strike who is doing some sterling work in the trenches there.

[Ragian]

I am just interested how many of you have actually played civ, cause from what I read here most of you just don't understand references to the game.

There are no uncivilized nations in game, there are nations and there are barbarians.

@stike wolf, so you are saying all of us got the same pm with same roles?

Well also the main point of Civ is to take out all of the other civs or win by being more scientific/cultural/religious. It could be that some of our civs view some of the other civs as 'uncivilized.' Like the romans could view norway as uncivilized for basically being a bunch of vikings.

Came up this almost immediately after I posted that last bit, but since civ is usually a free for all maybe that's what this game is? The whole civilized vs uncivilized is just a flavor way of saying 'beat all of the other civs'.

I have an issue with this post. Do others feel the same way?

[nagerous]

I am just interested how many of you have actually played civ, cause from what I read here most of you just don't understand references to the game.

There are no uncivilized nations in game, there are nations and there are barbarians.

@stike wolf, so you are saying all of us got the same pm with same roles?

I'm saying that when one claims to have gotten more information than others who are of town, particularly information that in some way connects to win con, it is worth noting. Why did he get this information?

My role pm didn't actually specify barbarians or uncivilized nations.

I would say that Masket would play it as close to the game as possible so if there are no uncivilised nations in the game then we can say it more likely that it is barbarian hoards that the enemy . It is early doors right now but speculation is good - I still find it suspicious that some of the theories out there include people like aage saying Gandhi could be a villain - even if it is joking apparently?


Samlen's initial post seems like a bit of a slip up there suggesting we could all be uncivilised nations?? Certainly that is not the case. As skoffin indicated there is definitely a town that needs to eliminate all threats

[nagerous]

Sorry, I am waiting for an apology from all those who said that my agressive play is unnecessary and unhelpful.

Lets watch the game stall. Oh look it already has.

It was the weekend. There's a difference between aggressive and insulting.

Yeah, and I know the line, Skittles does not.

@Skoffin. Nag isnt civilised, he owes me an apology.

LOL @ Samlen, way to go and scumslip. This does quite a bit of diservice to Strike who is doing some sterling work in the trenches there.

I don't owe you shit. You acted like a complete dick in that other game, and I know I am not the only person that thought so. There are many ways to treat games and scum hunt but to be openly insulting to people doesn't benefit anyone

[Samlen]

Well Samlen the funny thing here is that my role PM specifically states I am town - thus there must in fact be a town, so you're suggestion that there may not be a town is quite outlandish and bizarre. Now that you've somewhat corrected your statement, there is still the fact that being told you are town is hard to miss and and your third option is literally impossible based on my PM. So, what what Sir?


[/color]

Started thinking too much about flavor and not enough about my own role pm and yeah i'm dumb for not properly reading it before making those theories.

ninja'd by nag
My initial point was that maybe each of us consider the others 'uncivilized' but when I went back to read my role pm i realized that my win con indicated that there were multiple civilized civilizations and that I was part of them.

[Skittles!]

So I'll emphasize Tim's point. Why do you fos Mitch and not Dakky, Skittles?

Honestly I was subconsciously not processing what Dakky has been posting when I FOS'd Mitch. I.e. Skimming Dakky's posts, /sorry.

[Skoffin]

He thinks you are Welsh because you confirmed as Iwan Rheon. It is some bizarre theory including ga7's kwanfirm as a potential Korean claim .

That is the worlds dumbest theory. I didn't even confirm as the actor, I specifically confirmed as the mass-raping, torturing scumbag Ramsey Bolton.

Yeah, and I know the line, Skittles does not.

@Skoffin. Nag isnt civilised, he owes me an apology.

Line? What line? I'm sure Skittles knows plenty about lines. What is this madness?

What does he owe an apology for?

[Ragian]

Humm... Have you scrutinised your pm now?

FP'ed by more than one

[madmitch]

@ Skoffin I bow and apologize to your nation, I am also 1 of the oldest and ahead of the times thanks to our many Gods that has left a mark for people UNVOTE

[Skoffin]

Egypt? Greece? Rome? ARE YOU AZTEC?!

Anyway, why are people giving actual hints to what their nation might be? XD

[nagerous]

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

Care to expand on this?

[dakky21]

Egypt? Greece? Rome? ARE YOU AZTEC?!

Anyway, why are people giving actual hints to what their nation might be? XD

I started it with confirm phase and they're bandwagoning. I bet some of them aren't telling the truth but saying it just for the sake of saying. Either say it or don't say it - if someone else counter claims, we have a winner there. Gigiving random clues like "our many Gods" from Mitch is a blatant bandwagon speculated on what was said before.

[aage]

Since this whole thing around Ghandi is starting to get way more attention than it deserves, I'll just point out that we need not fear him til the Atomic era. (Forgive me for using this source, couldn't find a better one.)

Anyway, why are people giving actual hints to what their nation might be? XD

I'm quite convinced Mitch religiously claims his role flavour as early as possible in every game in every game he plays. As to others, I don't know. I suppose Dakky is trying to gauge doubleclaims, but that's a wasted effort in my opinion. It could be construed as scummy but meh. I don't feel like lynching Dakky again on day one.


It would be nice if Nag and Wing would bury the hatchet instead of demanding apologies from the other. Take it from someone who died night 1 and read as an outsider: you were both dicks in the Pokémon game. Please don't both be dicks in this game.

[TimWoodbury]

4. Am I? Because Dakky himself just pointed out that his role pm is different than the one I got. Or would you rather we just ignore discrepancies?

vote strike dakky claims there are uncivilized people going after him you claim your pm dont say anything of the sort...sumfin finky there and i dont trust you your lieing or you didnt read entire role pm

[Skoffin]

Since this whole thing around Ghandi is starting to get way more attention than it deserves, I'll just point out that we need not fear him til the Atomic era. (Forgive me for using this source, couldn't find a better one.)

It's okay, I appreciate your Ghandi references.

Anyway, why are people giving actual hints to what their nation might be? XD

I'm quite convinced Mitch religiously claims his role flavour as early as possible in every game in every game he plays. As to others, I don't know. I suppose Dakky is trying to gauge doubleclaims, but that's a wasted effort in my opinion. It could be construed as scummy but meh. I don't feel like lynching Dakky again on day one.

There are a few people that seem to reveal as much as possible as early as possible.
In any case, for future reference people, any references to what I might be as a nation can be ignored- I'm goofin around, so my references may not be accurate to what I actually am. I don't roleclaim this early, soz.

It would be nice if Nag and Wing would bury the hatchet instead of demanding apologies from the other. Take it from someone who died night 1 and read as an outsider: you were both dicks in the Pokémon game. Please don't both be dicks in this game.

4. Am I? Because Dakky himself just pointed out that his role pm is different than the one I got. Or would you rather we just ignore discrepancies?

vote strike dakky claims there are uncivilized people going after him you claim your pm dont say anything of the sort...sumfin finky there and i dont trust you your lieing or you didnt read entire role pm

Okay chap. My role PM did not say there were uncivilised nations, any ideas of uncivilised nations can be inferred but it's not outright stated. So what does YOURS say eh?

[Fircoal]

however I do have a variety of slippers with animal faces on them)

I'll take 69.

@aage You can absolutely lynch someone in this first week. It just means you didn't need the countdown to reach the limit.

Not according to what you said.

1. The Countdown Lynch Method.
This was born from my last mafia game and was chosen to be used by a majority of players in that game, so it's carrying over here.
Let's say on Day 2 there are 14 out of 16 players still alive. The number needed to lynch a player will therefore start at 14 and decrease by one every real life day.
Naturally, assuming one player dies during Night 2, that - and the lynch for Day 2 - will mean 12 players are alive for Day 3, so the number to lynch will start at 12, as will the number of real days for that game day. Etc etc.
The only exception to this rule will be Day 1, to allow for a settling in period. You will have a one week window before the countdown starts.
Sounds scary? Excellent. That's the idea, and it's brilliant for wiping out long game day slogs that last for weeks. Plus it means every vote has that much more impact, so choose wisely.

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Doesn't Dakky do this more or less every game? I mean he's sorta known for getting lynchs onto him. I'm not saying that any Dakky said made sense but I'm not sure if it's anything special from him. How is his actions in this game different from others?

@Dakky, how do you know that the threats to your nation come from other nations?

In a game of nations, what else can be a threat to a nation except another nation? Actually, my role says so, so that's how I know. I also know there are civilized and uncivilized nations, the later one being a threat.
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Posting this again so everyone sees and remembers what dakky said.

4. Am I? Because Dakky himself just pointed out that his role pm is different than the one I got. Or would you rather we just ignore discrepancies?

Sometimes differences in PMs can be a good way of hunting down scum.... but sometimes the mods purposefully give different PMs to different people to prevent that from happening. In looking at the role PMs from his game 3 years ago that he just posted in the archives, the opening to win conditions were worded slightly differently, but the main part was the same. So he may have made the win conditions worded differently for different people. Anyone else have experience with how Masket gives out role PMs?

I think by now most of us have forgotten how he does it. Most tend to stick to the same pms which is why usually pm quoting isn't allowed. Speaking of which:

8. You are not allowed to quote any PM's given by the mod, until the game has ended. Loose paraphrasing is acceptable. Again, nasty things will happen if you do not comply.

I'm not sure if that says anything concrete but it does show that at the very least Masket doesn't want pm quotes running around.

I mean we're not playing a Civ game, we're playing a Civ Mafia game, so wording and theme can be different from what was seen in Civ series, but still if you're unaware of your win condition, or it says kill barbarians instead of uncivilized countries, that's what Strike was after I think.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Because it sounds like you don't. If you do please tell the town everything because that sounds like good information to know.

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

Quoting to again point out what benga just said.

I am the most noble and advanced nation representative here. I am the greatest. No one words like me!

Are you soft claiming Trump?

I am just interested how many of you have actually played civ, cause from what I read here most of you just don't understand references to the game.

There are no uncivilized nations in game, there are nations and there are barbarians.

@stike wolf, so you are saying all of us got the same pm with same roles?

Well also the main point of Civ is to take out all of the other civs or win by being more scientific/cultural/religious. It could be that some of our civs view some of the other civs as 'uncivilized.' Like the romans could view norway as uncivilized for basically being a bunch of vikings.

Came up this almost immediately after I posted that last bit, but since civ is usually a free for all maybe that's what this game is? The whole civilized vs uncivilized is just a flavor way of saying 'beat all of the other civs'.

I have an issue with this post. Do others feel the same way?

yes.

I would say that Masket would play it as close to the game as possible so if there are no uncivilised nations in the game then we can say it more likely that it is barbarian hoards that the enemy . It is early doors right now but speculation is good - I still find it suspicious that some of the theories out there include people like aage saying Gandhi could be a villain - even if it is joking apparently?

I think it's pretty clear that it's a joke. That said. We have no idea what type of mod MAsket is. Or well we might but I forget. IT's very possible he's the type who would stuff an unexpected role as mafia. While it is a nice joke it is also possible that MM might have done it for the lolz. Never underestimate the lolz.

There are many ways to treat games and scum hunt but to be openly insulting to people doesn't benefit anyone

I am quoting this because it's important. Being insulted isn't pleasant, and if anyone else here is like me it just makes me less likely to want to contribute. There is a difference between scum hunting and being a douche. I think it'd be best for all of us if we keep it in the former catergory. I will try my best to do so myself.

Anyway, why are people giving actual hints to what their nation might be? XD

I don't know but I don't suggest it.

4. Am I? Because Dakky himself just pointed out that his role pm is different than the one I got. Or would you rather we just ignore discrepancies?

vote strike dakky claims there are uncivilized people going after him you claim your pm dont say anything of the sort...sumfin finky there and i dont trust you your lieing or you didnt read entire role pm

[/quote]

Have you read your whole pm? Same thing as with Dakky. If you know some good information please tell the rest of us. It would benefit the town as a whole.

[Fircoal]

That one missed quote at the end... I feel shame. Lots of shame. v.v

[madmitch]

I now believe that Samlem is China with his ninja post,I also don't know where Dakky got his uncivilized nation claim ? I know I don't hve that in my role info.

[Skittles!]

I am hereby making a temporary axis of excellence, based on the representatives of various nations I feel are alright with thus far and welcome to any coalition should they accept. (This list is essentially meaningless, but writing it because I can)
This would be myself, wing, skittles, nag and chu for now.


On the other hand I also have an axis of muppets, people that I will happily execute if no other meaningful alternatives present themselves.
Here are your axis of muppets: Mitch, dakky, tim and ga7. [/color]

Cool.

[Skittles!]

"HURRRBURBLUR I AM JAPAAAAAAN!" is what I take from your comment. What has Japan done for me lately? Stolen my boyfriend and turned him into a weebo. You are no ally of mine, Sir.

Definitely a Japan claim there. I don't understand why people are already soft claiming their roles (i.e. benga with Germany), it is bizarre and not helpful imo.

First of all I accept dof from WCG who I think is Iran because of his priest that coverts, Aage might be India ? Ghandi reference GA7 Korean ? (kwanfirm),Strike with his Princess Bride reference,Floria against Guilden might be Florence Italy or guilden dutch money so Holland,then Sam with his unify comment could be communist ? so he could be Russia, China ,Cuba, Lao's, N Korea or Vietnam ? but with his confirmerino he might be Spain or Australian , Tims Yugioh is Japanese (Japan) Benga conger (Germany) and he wants to visit his WW2friend Japan. Allies of WW2 Japan were Germany and Italy, which leaves us with Dakky pokemon(Japan) or maybe Great Briton? and Skoffin with that hurrburblur remarkthat seems German and theRamcey Butler confirmation played by a Welsh actor (Wales) so I think Skoffins DOW on Dakky was to protect him.Fither Skoffin Germany and Dakky Japan or SKOFFIN Wales and Dakky Great Briton and I think Tims DOW is just scummy.

Again, I think this is super suss. Just as suss as what Dakky was doing pre-Day and during it. I don't think it matters what nations people, because throughout the series there has been a huge amount of nations to choose from, leaving a lot of characters/nations to pick from. Until we understand how the actual mechanics of the game works (like the negatives of war and the extra benefits of friendship apart from +1(?) vote to lynch).

In saying this, I do believe mitch is town and the flavour speculating is part of the game. I just don't agree with it at this point in time.

Secret negative effect on war declarations ?

No thank you, seems a bit rash to use that power so early and so freely.

Declaration of friendships on the other hand seem like they are more useful for anyone who is afraid of getting lynched and feel they need a buffer for protection. Personally I think it is pretty scummy to go out hunting alliances straight away in a mafia game - it is a useful tool for any uncivilised nations to use at any rate as subterfuge before launching a sneak attack.

I agree, like the soft-claiming and flavour speculating, I think it's very odd that people are already trying to declare friendships and war so early in the game.

Well, I don't know about the Ghandi bit. I read that as a joke fra Aage that dakky just played along with. He did, however, say that his nation is threatened by other nations. Is your nation threatened by other nations, benga?

only if we played hot seat civ
as I understood there are nations and there are barbarians
that's why I rather hear dakky expand more before we acting upon it

I am assuming you are gathering this hypothesis from the Civ game itself?

@Dakky, how do you know that the threats to your nation come from other nations?

In a game of nations, what else can be a threat to a nation except another nation? Actually, my role says so, so that's how I know. I also know there are civilized and uncivilized nations, the later one being a threat.

Also, benga trying to DoF with me is too rushed. Feels like he could be one of those uncivilized nations, especially after he said

as I understood there are nations and there are barbarians

...and we never mentioned exactly barbarians. Paraphrasing the role is possible here, but I'll still wait for a turn or two before accepting the friendship agreement.[/quote]
This is sooooooooo weird. "My role says so" is what? Several people have already stated their PM did not mention uncivilised nations. However, you could have gotten that by the mentioning of civilised roles but nothing explicitly stated that.

It's entirely possible. I've been trying to figure who the 'uncivilized' people are and this is the answer that clicks the most for me. The most likely choices for 'uncivilized' are:
1.Barbarians
2.A few random civs were chosen to be the 'mafia'
3. We are all 'uncivilized' compared to each other so we are all trying to compete for solo victory.

If it's the first option the barbarians probably just kill someone each night instead of building stuff.

If it's the second option it's a group of civs that act like us but essentially have a secret alliance.

If it's the third option then what we build at night directly correlates on how we can protect ourselves/further ourselves towards (likely) solo victory and what we do during the day is probably figure out the strongest person and lynch them.

If this is how the game is, I think option 1 would be the most likely. I don't know if long term friendships can turn into factions or something (that would be cool but also ultimately scary for the town not in the 'coalition'), so at the moment all I think that it's civilised nations vs mafia with maybe a city state/survivor/sk thrown in there to keep it fresh. I don't know if it's possible in this game setting but would the role of Jester be able to exist? Dakky could possibly just be trying to get himself lynched with his aggressive points on several people.

Yeah, and I know the line, Skittles does not.

@Skoffin. Nag isnt civilised, he owes me an apology.

LOL @ Samlen, way to go and scumslip. This does quite a bit of diservice to Strike who is doing some sterling work in the trenches there.

Girl, please.

I am just interested how many of you have actually played civ, cause from what I read here most of you just don't understand references to the game.

There are no uncivilized nations in game, there are nations and there are barbarians.

@stike wolf, so you are saying all of us got the same pm with same roles?

Well also the main point of Civ is to take out all of the other civs or win by being more scientific/cultural/religious. It could be that some of our civs view some of the other civs as 'uncivilized.' Like the romans could view norway as uncivilized for basically being a bunch of vikings.

Came up this almost immediately after I posted that last bit, but since civ is usually a free for all maybe that's what this game is? The whole civilized vs uncivilized is just a flavor way of saying 'beat all of the other civs'.

I have an issue with this post. Do others feel the same way?

Yes and no. He could just be speculating on how Civ series games and if Masket has followed the series that thoroughly. Everything is FFA until declarations of alliances happen.

[benga]

I don't have anything about uncivilized in pm, I draw my conclusion from my experience with civ games and about dakky from my past experience with him.