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Re: [CL8] Premier Division

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We have already received official disciplinary action "Warning" for what we have done. At that time it was precedent ruling about the case so we were punished for what was not previously written in rules but only after our case. At that time we didn't know it was against rules because nobody was punished for breaking that kind of rules before us. After we were punished we never again did similar kind of breaking rules. If you feel we are still making account sitting abuse then report us and if you prove it then we will receive further disciplinary action, 1 month ban. I can tell you that, for example, not a single turn was sat by my clan in games vs TOP while our opponents sat 5 turns in only one round.

However, now the same account sitting abuse was used by TOP clan against our clan. Therefore, if we were punished in past for doing so then we want moderators to protect us and punish TOP who are repeatedly breaking rules in games against us.

It seems like you are already scared playing versus us as you faced strong beating by us in POLY tournament 29-11 ;)
No matter If you play or not versus us, final result will anyway be more or less the same because your clan is the weakest in the League and therefore already placed in the last place ;)

Also, if your stance is that you are not playing vs clan who broke rules in past then you could state that before the League began. Outcome of our account sitting abuse happened about 3-4 years ago.
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Re: [CL8] Premier Division

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Oh yeah, the poly tournament lol. I don't really care about that, much like the 1v1 competition. My issue is that old habits seem to be arising, if what is being said is true, and the ordeal with generally abusing the system and trying to circumnavigate rules, rather than just abide by them, doesn't sit well for me, when really I'd rather face trustworthy clans in good-natured, competitive games.
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iAmCaffeine wrote:My issue is that old habits seem to be arising
Did you actually read what are the accusations about?

Accusations are that TOP clan are doing that type of account sitting abuse, not S&M clan.

In fact, S&M clan did not have any sitting occurred during the war vs TOP, every our turn to date was played by original account owner.

So how can you say that old habits from S&M seem to be arising?
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I think you should just play and if they violate rules against you, report them. I really shouldn't get involved but that's my opinion.

You probably won't win but it's hard to go 0-16.
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I get that some might not be the biggest fans of S&M, KoRT, TSM, Josko or any combination thereof, but talk about inserting yourself into the drama. The only thing that iAmCaffeine is achieving by this is creating even more drama. Play, or don't. But take it directly to the people in charge, instead of this nonsense.
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I just hope there is drama (the "who is going to win this league kind" not the arguing over the rules kind) when we face S&M in week 11. So there it is - call me someone who courts drama or what not, but that is my wish. Of course we want to win and we'd rather win before week 11, but I don't see that as realistic, but I do think its realistic that we could head into the last week with a shot to win as could S&M.
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I am a little confused at this point! I thought Lindax had emphatically asked everyone to stop talking about the subject which seems to be still at the focal point of this discussion. He even made specific reference to negative consequences for individual members and their clans. I am not trying to be funny here or sarcastic. I would just like some clarification on whether we can discuss this or not.

I will say this, TOP has not knowingly committed any violations of any kind whatsoever....ever! We try very hard to be honest and also honorable. We prefer to believe this about everyone else also! This is why we have not filed any report or made any specific accusations to date.

I also agree that if you feel a clan is committing a violation, it should be discussed with the other clan first and then reported to the TO if not resolved. Forfeiting games does not seem to be a rational approach to remedying a potential conflict between 2 clans.

I sincerely hope we can all compose ourselves and continue to compete vigorously while having fun at a game we enjoy.

BTW....anyone know when the Standings might be updated?

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Re: [CL8] Premier Division

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I'm not going to make my clan forfeit any games. We'll play against S&M. I was just taking some weak minds to a crossroads. Whoever gets that joke, I will make sure to go 0-16 for you.

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Paula, you'll be at 17 after 5 weeks. We'll be at 15 (with an outside chance of 16), S&M will be at 14. LHDD and Fallen 13 (with an outside chance of 12). OSA 12.
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PaulatPeace wrote:I am a little confused at this point! I thought Lindax had emphatically asked everyone to stop talking about the subject which seems to be still at the focal point of this discussion. He even made specific reference to negative consequences for individual members and their clans. I am not trying to be funny here or sarcastic. I would just like some clarification on whether we can discuss this or not.
Nobody should be confused.

Very clear requests / instructions were left here with warnings. As a clan team we have 2 choices. 1) lock the thread (which hasn't worked well in the past, and punished everyone rather than those involved) and 2) make note of those who blatantly ignore the warnings and continue discussion on a topic after the warnings have been made and act accordingly.

Lindax runs the event and is busy currently. People shouldn't take advantage of it just bcuz he's not here slamming the hammer down. If people ignore the requests & warnings, they should expect the team to act accordingly. If Lindax decides to cut everyone a break then I guess everyone can thank him at that point. But currently, nothing has changed from when Lindax, Keefie, and then my own posts telling people to take it elsewhere.

If you want to clarify something I would suggest PMing the team rather than bringing up what has been warned about just cuz everyone else is and thinking nothing will happen.

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Re: [CL8] Premier Division

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Oh boy, I wasn’t going to make a huge deal out of people posting stuff here that shouldn’t be posted here, however, I will make a big deal out of people blatantly ignoring requests, directions and warnings by the TO and others from the CD Team.

Following IcePack’s post I will regard this as noted for now. From now on official warnings will be given and if they are ignored, your clan may end up with an infraction. Not to mention the other measures the CD Team has available.

If you are confused or not sure if you should post whatever you would like to say, it’s likely that this thread is not the proper place. Below you’ll see the relevant posts by the CD Team about this:
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Lindax wrote:A report has been filed with me, concerning account sitting abuse. This will be looked into with the help of admin (king achilles), who have the tools to do so.

This thread is not the place to file reports of abuse or infractions, nor is it a place to discuss those issues. The proper way is to contact the TO, which is me, Lindax.

Please leave this up to us and stop the discussion (and mudslinging) here.

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Maybe I should make myself clearer: Anybody posting anymore about this issue will face consequences, as well as their clan.

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IcePack wrote:Greetings,
Finally have a few minutes to catch up on the goings on etc around here.
Theres a lot going on, so I'll try to be concise & clear about things.

1) if you have concerns about sitting abuse, the proper venue is a C&A report just like any other site sitting abuses. If the Admin team have questions or need clarification from the clan team on specifics, they'll contact me as I am the lead person for general clan disciplinary issues. If any abuse or issues are deemed to be found, that would then be relayed to the TO who can make the determination on what (if any) additional measures need to be taken as it relates to the tournament. But Lindax is correct, the place to report it / discuss that matter is not in the CL8 general thread.

If you want to make the TO aware of your C&A case, you can PM him with a link to the thread. If you want to get discussion on the matter as it pertains to the C&A case there, you can post a link here in the main thread as its event related but the discussion / debate should be taken there.

2) If you want to talk about general sitting issues, again this isn't the place. I'm happy to split the discussion off from here and will do so momentarily, but the place to have a general discussion is creating a new thread. If the discussion leads to a group wanting to change the rules, the place to do that would be the CDF.

3) if a team member asks you to do something, or refrain from it, please try to comply with the request. If you feel like any request that the team has made is unreasonable, the way to handle it is not to argue or continue on with the discussion that has been requested to be stopped. You should PM me, and if the request being made doesn't make sense, is unreasonable, or not in line with clan policies and procedures etc I will speak to the team member directly and make a post about it. But openly ignoring a request made or arguing about it (regardless of whether the request was in the wrong in the first place) is just a good way to get yourself a warning. Appeal the decision, dont argue it.

I hope that helps clarify the questions / issues that have come up.
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Lindax wrote:Some people may be a little hard of hearing. Please refer to IcePack’s post about how to report infractions & sitting abuse and what these tournament threads are not meant for.

In addition:

4) If you would like to report a post in these tournament threads, you can do the by PM, to me, or you can use the little triangle with the exclamation mark in the top of the post.

5) These tournament threads are primarily for recording the progress of the tournaments, as well as for posting information about the tournament in question.

Posts that are irrelevant to the tournament, are not beneficial, have nothing to add, etc., have no place in these specific tournament threads. Nor do posts that have no other intention than to stir the shit by being obnoxious, annoying or provoking.

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Some more comments about stuff that came up in some of the posts:

If a clan were to refuse to play a round, or another clan, they would be disqualified from the tournament. You cannot pick and choose who you play.

Standings are updated once a round is completed.

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No worries, we'll play against S&M. This will be our last time in the Clan League however. Also Lindax, you're ignoring me on the forums and your wall now or what?
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The infractions section of the OP was updated:
R6 - S&M vs TOP: TOP players nibotha and FreeFalling123 committed account sitting abuse. First warning issued to TOP, one game will be remade/replayed.
TOP also received a warning for excessive account sitting during CL8 games. This warning is included in the first warning above.

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Mod Edit

If you want to discuss the sitting issue, please continue to do so in the other thread as previously instructed.
Post moved.

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iAmCaffeine wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Lindax wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:Also, do game labels not matter anymore?
Yes, they do. Below a reminder of how to label the games. Please follow these instructions and refrain from getting creative:
Game Creation Labels

The 1st Clan Contacts, and some 2nd Clan Contacts, have privileges to create the home games and invite their players. When creating a game use this tournament: "2016 [CL8] Premier Division". For your home games label the games with your clan abbreviation first, followed by "vs", followed by the away clan. For example, the first set of Round 1 is ATL against OSA, so ATL should create their home games with the following label: R1 ATL vs OSA The second set is the OSA home games and the label should be: R1 OSA vs ATL
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Okay. Just wondering why this isn't being adhered to by all the clans.
Hi, can we not overlook this just because the annual S&M sitting abuse is taking place about now?
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TOP have requested and been granted a 48 hr extension for the round 7 home games.

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LHDD have requested and been granted an extension for the home games.

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I'm a bad duck :( I thought today was Wednesday and am going to be late.
I acknowledge I'll get my warning and get on it ASAP
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IcePack wrote:I'm a bad duck :( I thought today was Wednesday and am going to be late.
I acknowledge I'll get my warning and get on it ASAP
De-mod please.
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The infractions section in the OP has been updated:
R7 - FALL vs PACK: FALL did not post and fill home games in time. First warning issued.
R7 - PACK vs FALL: PACK did not post and fill home games in time. Final warning issued.
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I feel like that almost warrants a medal in its own right.
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Results and standings for the first 4 rounds are posted on the first page.

See: Results and Standings

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TOFU have requested and been granted an extension for the round 7 away games.

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