Putin's speech St. Petersburg June '16

[mandyb]

I don't recall seeing any report on this in the UK mainstream media - anyone in the States see it, or anywhere else for that matter?

[mrswdk]

I agree that the US continues to paint Russia as a bogeyman for propaganda purposes, as a way of justifying its attempts to snatch influence away from Russia (e.g. in Ukraine and Syria).

I don't agree that the US-Soviet power rivalry was good for world peace. The US and Soviet Union being on a level footing meant they were vying for power on a more equal footing and directly caused two devastating wars in Korea and Vietnam, on top of all the other various proxy wars of the Cold War. The situation in Taiwan and the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan are two other direct legacies of the US-Soviet power rivalry.

Look at the South China Sea. China's rise and growing power has has meant an increasingly stronger power being present to push back against the US, which the US resists, and so the potential for the situation to escalate grows.

Having two or three big power blocs in competition with each other is good for the countries who do not end up being used as cannon fodder in their games, but let's not pretend that it helps promote world peace.

[mandyb]

I don't disagree but my point was more to highlight the fact that this speech, by a powerful leader making very serious accusations at best and issuing a warning at worst, has seemingly failed to reach the mainstream media. I hear vast amounts more about Pokemon Go, which I don't even play, than I do about the true state of the world in these unstable times. So again, I was wondering who, if anyone, is aware that this conversation at the International Economic Forum in St. Petersburg even took place?

[mrswdk]

Because what's the warning? That the US might attack Russia? Is he trying to suggest the US might nuke Russia?

[waauw]

Because what's the warning? That the US might attack Russia? Is he trying to suggest the US might nuke Russia?

Seems more like they're trying to topple Putin and westernize the country. Russia is the key to keep/reinstate US hegemony. Without Russia, the US has no chance of containing the rise of China, not without full scale war anyway. US hegemony is doomed, but as long as Putin is in power, this is unlikely.

American grand plan:
Rile up the europeans to become more hostile towards the russians ==> Russia builds up arms ==> europeans become more willing to put economic sanctions on Russia ==> rile up the russians under a failing economy.

Unfortunately europe seems to be falling for the american ploy.

[Serbia]

Whoa, mandyb is back.

[GoranZ]

Because what's the warning? That the US might attack Russia? Is he trying to suggest the US might nuke Russia?

I dont think that US goal is to nuke or conquer Russia... The country is too big and the population is resilient, so the goal is to force Russia into long arms race and thus exhaust its offensive potentials(so its cant make problems elsewhere).

I agree that the US continues to paint Russia as a bogeyman for propaganda purposes, as a way of justifying its attempts to snatch influence away from Russia (e.g. in Ukraine and Syria).

Look at the South China Sea. China's rise and growing power has has meant an increasingly stronger power being present to push back against the US, which the US resists, and so the potential for the situation to escalate grows.

As I said several times before US goal is not Russia, but China. On its own Russia can't do a lot outside of Europe/Central Asia/Middle East. Even if Putin tries to compete with US in other areas it will become too expensive for the Russians. Those are the limits and both Russia and US are aware of it. On the other hand China has different long term plans and is trying to straighten its capabilities(both military and economical) where Russians are not trying a lot(Africa, South America and South Asia). Since Russia and China have interests to keep Central Asia as peaceful place and US cant do a lot there biggest problem is Korean Peninsula. Defensive(read offensive) systems in South Korea will target both Russian and especially Chinese interests. Cherry of the problem is North Korea. That's the place where things can get out of hand very easily, and most likely will. In 5 to 10 years US will have such systems in South Korea and the world might end up in new cold war or even WW3. Only European-Russian deal on a long run can save the world from new cold war/WW3... and such deal is in the hands of the Germans now.

[mrswdk]

South Korea isn't a concern. The public there are getting fed up of the US and the government is fine with having a good relationship with China, is never going to turn on China. US is just gonna push, push, push in the South China Sea, and as you say try to undermine Russia as a way of getting at China.

Too bad it won't be long before China's big enough to its tell the US to go fck itself.

[GoranZ]

South Korea isn't a concern. The public there are getting fed up of the US and the government is fine with having a good relationship with China, is never going to turn on China. US is just gonna push, push, push in the South China Sea, and as you say try to undermine Russia as a way of getting at China.

Too bad it won't be long before China's big enough to its tell the US to go fck itself.

US are not known at showing mercy towards their vassals... Take EU for example.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-s ... is-n614006

[DirtyDishSoap]

Look at the South China Sea. China's rise and growing power has has meant an increasingly stronger power being present to push back against the US, which the US resists, and so the potential for the situation to escalate grows.

If anything, we've been monitoring with no direct action, that I know of at least.



Basically this is last information I was given (Dating back in 2012/2013.) There was an excess amount of oil here, and China and India has placed their navy in the region, China was(or still is) attempting to strong arm India into giving it up. If things were to escalate, we would have stepped in with India, along with the Aussies backing us up. We were at like mid-threat level and my unit was put on QRF (Quick Reaction Force) for the remainder of my time there but then I left. It's old information and I sincerely think that situation has completely changed and units changing over responsibility.

Anywho, we monitor but unless something actually happens, we won't respond.

[mrswdk]

That's not the South China Sea.