War on terrorism Dakky lynched: Nato & Russia win

[Ragian]

We don't need to feed ISIS and other baddies information that we cannot utilise at this point. Keep the evil forces in the dark so we can catch them in a lie or what not.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Ragian]

That's a long the lines of what I was thinking (and saying).

[Tobikera]

Im trying to think of how the game might be setup.

So, I think we may have ISIS (cult) and NATO (town) and villagers (town-sided survivors)

With this setup, I think its plausible that we may havea vigilante that HAS to kill each night. This to me indicates that the person who did the shooting wouldve been on the Epi wagon, believing they are doing something in towns best interest. It also explains the scene (I think).

This is a stretch, but Im trying to figure out just what we're up against here.

OK, you are suggesting a NATO-sided or Town-leaning vigilante that screwed up on N1. That fits, and that means there's a chance that we won't lose two more on N2. If we could only kill that recruiter.....
And, not pointing any fingers, but there's a whole lot of folks who aren't contributing much; but, I'm not going to review 15 pages to find out.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Tobikera]

OK, I did review the log a bit, and found the following haven't posted much of substance:

The White Rose
HotShot
Iron Butterfly

I initially voted for Iron Butterfly in retaliation. I note most of his posts are questions, appearing above the fray (not the rock band). He also tried to hammer dakky but was foiled by someone unvoting just before him. He also defended madmitch, who some folks seem keen on right now. I'm not sure where my vote lies right now, but it would be good to get Iron Butterfly to L-1 to hear him sing.

UNVOTE....VOTE Iron Butterfly

[BuJaber]

oh TWR is a suspect again? Yes... let's do this. we screwed up too much. let's turn this around.

Vote TWR

Complaining about always getting suspected D1 is not something a town role would do and if it was it's a really bad defense. Yes, it feels frustrating but there are so many other ways to try to prove yourself that are much better.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

oooooh Town Vig, I should probably play along and not start a rebellion. Shame.

I dont buy IB being a bad guy, I might be wrong, but he doesnt tend to get quite so annoyed at my play (or at least not obviously) when he is mafia.

TWR I can see, along with BG, and whoever else I said yesterday. Was it Talapus?

[madmitch]

I not sure who to go after but TWR and I.B. sounds reasonable, only worry I have is I.B. did take his vote of Dakky which I thought was great at that time but now Dakky is after me which gets me wondering if Iron was right, but then TWR has been quite actually to quite ,must be sneaking around out their planting bombs.

[madmitch]

got to learn how to spell quiet ,

[Talapus]

Speaking frankly here, if a vig is in this game and had to use a night kill, Epi was the right choice based on popular opinion. I still don't buy TWR being smart enough to be ISIS unless they got recruited last night so I have zero intention of throwing my vote that way...But I would agree it is most likely someone who was on the Epi wagon was /is our vig and probably with enough conviction to post their thoughts but they still failed so they night killed. But I refuse to look into that and help out someone ISIS could really use.

I am traveling abroad right now for rest of week so don't have time to look back and see who my number one suspect would be. But it would certainly be someone on the Mandy wagon towards the lynch because he clearly knew what he was talking about earlier in the game with NATO and some people deliberately ignored it...so ISIS is in there somewhere. Maybe able to post tomorrow my thoughts on that.

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree that mitch is the obvious answer. However, let's not jump the gun before everyone has had a chance to pitch in. From the looks of it, ISIS can't kill, but only recruit, yes? Like a cult.

Epi was killed last night, so someone is killing. Who called in the airstrike that killed Epi? Not one of the villagers.
Also, someone appears to have gotten recruited on N1. That's a net loss of three NATO-sided villagers on D1/N1.
If this keeps up, the game will be over quickly.

Something doesn't make sense to me.
Even if we kill one ISIS every day, we potentially stand to lose 2 villagers every night,
one to a straight kill and one to conversion (unless the recruiter can only act on odd nights).
In this scenario, the NATO-sided villagers can't win, because we lose a net 1 villager every night.
Even if we started the game with 13 villagers and one ISIS warrior and one ISIS recruiter,
it will end the same, unless we get lucky and kill the recruiter.
Any other thoughts? I'm not as experienced in mafia games as some of y'all.

Interesting.

We have 2 dead survivors. One lynched and one night killed. Why would you say that the one recruited last night was a survivor as well? It is obvious there is NATO.We know there is ISIS. We also know there are Villager Survivors. Survivors can win with anyone so their deaths are not a loss.

[madmitch]

@ I.B. good question to Tobi, how would he know ? unless he was recruited .With a question like that I am beginning to think you might be one of the good guys after all.

[BuJaber]

Actually reading the 2 posts: Tobi just mentioned villagers, IB took it a step further to survivors. Why assume villager = survivor? We only have 2 confirmed cases of that role. We don't know anything else for certain, except that there are NATO countries, and an ISIS faction that can grow over time.

FOS IB

[the white rose]

I am getting confused here.

if isis are a cult, who can grow with recruitment, is there a mafia type group as well.....does that make all survivors town? are there any survivors who are not 'nato sided'?

Should we be looking to lynch isis or mafia today?

[madmitch]

@ TWR I believe mafia is isis unless I am reading this wrong,

[Tobikera]

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Interesting.
We have 2 dead survivors. One lynched and one night killed. Why would you say that the one recruited last night was a survivor as well? It is obvious there is NATO.We know there is ISIS. We also know there are Villager Survivors. Survivors can win with anyone so their deaths are not a loss.

I DO NOT think there are any significant numbers of NATO players, in fact, I think there are none. There are NATO-sided survivor villagers (NSSV), each from a different country. Mandy and Epi were two (see page 1). I am a third. However, I am withholding my country for the present in case someone else tries to falsely claim it. So we have NSSVs shooting themselves in the foot by killing each other, we have recruiting ISIS mafia scum, and perhaps we have a NATO-sided vigilante or 3rd party vigilante survivor who killed EPI.

I don't think there is evidence for any other roles at present. Once again, Iron Butterfly tried to hammer dakky, but hotshot had unvoted right before him. His posts are unrevealing of himself, and mainly pose questions that give him the appearance of being above the rest of us, and sow seeds of doubt about the loyalty of whomever his subject is. My vote stays on him. Y'all killed Mandy with much less evidence.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Tobi, you are missing some obvious information.

The vig is very unlikely to be a villager. And for that reason I shall say no more.

So BG? Is D2 too much of a crapshoot for you to manage to post?

[madmitch]

@ Tobikera ,I do believe PT said he was NATO WITH TWO ALLIES and something about Jordan not be one of them.

[Tobikera]

@ Tobikera ,I do believe PT said he was NATO WITH TWO ALLIES and something about Jordan not be one of them.

Let's see, PT + Mandy + Epit, that makes three. So, if you suspect I am lying, then lynch me, and when I turn up as what I said, then you migh FOS PT. The mod was right, this is confusing.

[BuJaber]

@ Tobikera ,I do believe PT said he was NATO WITH TWO ALLIES and something about Jordan not be one of them.

Tobi, you are missing some obvious information.

The vig is very unlikely to be a villager. And for that reason I shall say no more.

So BG? Is D2 too much of a crapshoot for you to manage to post?

QFT

[BuJaber]

FP'd By Tobikera... The point is that pt claimed to be a full NATO country, not a nato sided villager. We're not saying we don't believe you (I have you down as probable town), just that you're missing things other people have hinted at.

[dakky21]

FP'd By Tobikera... The point is that pt claimed to be a full NATO country, not a nato sided villager. We're not saying we don't believe you (I have you down as probable town), just that you're missing things other people have hinted at.

IIRC pt claimed to be NATO country AFTER mandy mentioned NATO.

I still do think mitch is acting weird and differently from his recent games when he was town, if we have cults and mafia separated, he could be something like that. Meta says he is not a villager. My vote stays on him.

[madmitch]

@ Dakky that's your opion , just one question , who are you ? I am Qatar ,Mandy was Pakistan and Epi was Iran , we all are NATO sided village survivors like you, but who are you ? maybe you are non ally Jordan PT. WAS TALKING ABOUT, Then we have Tobi and WCG who also claim NATO sided villager survivors also , like to know who they are also,not sure who BG AND JABER ARE ?

[madmitch]

@ Dakky that's your opion , just one question , who are you ? I am Qatar ,Mandy was Pakistan and Epi was Iran , we all are NATO sided village survivors like you, but who are you ? maybe you are non ally Jordan PT. WAS TALKING ABOUT, Then we have Tobi and WCG who also claim NATO sided villager survivors also , like to know who they are also,not sure who BG AND JABER ARE ?