War on terrorism Dakky lynched: Nato & Russia win

[the white rose]

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

... . So you claim a power roll, offer zero additional input, respond to nothing in the post I put up to begin with questioning why you'd put such a huge target on your own back, and then willingly claim " I will go along with that"??? You do realize attitudes like that make you seem like you'll be the first individual to hop on a bandwagon right? Which, as a supposed pro-town role, is a bad idea. Not to mention, and I find this part hilarious, you didn't want to say anything to begin with because you were afraid it would make you look like scum and yet you have zero problem jumping in with this gem and offering nothing additional.

I'd totally vote you for a move like this if I didn't actually think you may just be a a sheep of a town folk. Because from what I have seen so far I see zero indication this play style for you is not the norm unfortunately.

This is my first vote in the game. the reason for the delay is that its really a crap shoot trying to find scum on day 1.

I have had many opportunities to follow others like a sheep, but have constantly declined.

Now, a very experienced player points out that you don't really want to lynch anyone, i value wing's opinion and because i happen to agree with him i am suddenly a sheep? bet you would not have said that had i voted for dakky

[the white rose]

Could we have a vote count please, I lost my way,thanks. I don't like TWR quick vote Talapus , I also think Mandy and BuJaber are working together either as scum or cult, and welcome WCG glad to have you hear.

quick vote?

its my first vote, the game is already a week old and its one day after the original deadline.....whats quick about it? think in fact i was the last to vote.

[madmitch]

@ TWR you are right , sorry

[Talapus]

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

... . So you claim a power roll, offer zero additional input, respond to nothing in the post I put up to begin with questioning why you'd put such a huge target on your own back, and then willingly claim " I will go along with that"??? You do realize attitudes like that make you seem like you'll be the first individual to hop on a bandwagon right? Which, as a supposed pro-town role, is a bad idea. Not to mention, and I find this part hilarious, you didn't want to say anything to begin with because you were afraid it would make you look like scum and yet you have zero problem jumping in with this gem and offering nothing additional.

I'd totally vote you for a move like this if I didn't actually think you may just be a a sheep of a town folk. Because from what I have seen so far I see zero indication this play style for you is not the norm unfortunately.

This is my first vote in the game. the reason for the delay is that its really a crap shoot trying to find scum on day 1.

I have had many opportunities to follow others like a sheep, but have constantly declined.

Now, a very experienced player points out that you don't really want to lynch anyone, i value wing's opinion and because i happen to agree with him i am suddenly a sheep? [b]bet you would not have said that had i voted for dakky[/b]

The hell I wouldn't. Had you jumped in with a vote on dakky the same way you voted me simply by saying, " i will go along with that", you still would have garnered suspicion. WHY would you go along with that? At least now you gave justification, all though it is all smoke. For a couple reasons actually, first off wing posted that before he even read everything and that's fine, that's his thought process. But you claim day 1 is a crap shoot to begin with and now you are saying because I don't want to lynch anyone that makes me the best target based on what someone else claims??? FYI, I have not stated the no lynch thing...in case you were curious.

So yes, for the actions stated above you look like a sheep. But I still think in general this is your play style and I am doubting you are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes and playing some clever ruse as scum. I'd still be amazed if you live the next few nights based on your ability claim but who knows, stranger things can happen.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

/quote]first off wing posted that before he even read everything and that's fine, that's his thought process.

Well thats not true. I posted my logic on what I am looking for. Then you made a post which ticked all my boxes. Clearly I read said post, and have skimmed the rest.

I also worry about anyone who is the first responder to every vote/accusation against. Its almost like you have a defensive mentality....

@whiteRose - you havent answered my question about why youve claimed to be a strong role when you have a history of being mafia when claiming similar.

[Epitaph1]

I'm actually leaning town on Talapus and I agree with his read on TWR insofar as Rose's vote wasn't a good one, but that's how he plays. I feel the same way about dakky's vote for the record. Yes, he bandwagoned, but I don't think that's uncommon when he's town. I haven't played with him in a while, but I remember thinking that he does a lot of scummy stuff when he's town, which is probably why he gets on the hot seat on D1 a lot.

Bu, I think your reads are helpful. Could you give a little more reason behind the following though:

ptlowe
madmitch
iron butterfly
hotshot

None of these guys have been terribly active this game and so I haven't gotten a read on them one way or the other. I'm on the fence about floyd right now, maybe leaning town. I thought his comments about Winston were serious, but sometimes I miss sarcasm when I'm reading mafia.

[the white rose]

@whiteRose - you havent answered my question about why youve claimed to be a strong role when you have a history of being mafia when claiming similar.

I have never claimed to be a strong role, that is just your perception. In fact i said i can be really useful to town in scumhunting when we have more evidence. If i recall correctly, i specifically said that one should not take this as a soft claim, cos its not.

please do not put words in my mouth, quote me by all means, but do not make up words that i never said.

[the white rose]

Had you jumped in with a vote on dakky the same way you voted me simply by saying, " i will go along with that", you still would have garnered suspicion. WHY would you go along with that? At least now you gave justification, all though it is all smoke. For a couple reasons actually, first off wing posted that before he even read everything and that's fine, that's his thought process. But you claim day 1 is a crap shoot to begin with and now you are saying because I don't want to lynch anyone that makes me the best target based on what someone else claims??? FYI, I have not stated the no lynch thing...in case you were curious.

So yes, for the actions stated above you look like a sheep. But I still think in general this is your play style and I am doubting you are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes and playing some clever ruse as scum. I'd still be amazed if you live the next few nights based on your ability claim but who knows, stranger things can happen.

look, i do not know when deadline is but we need to get 7 votes against the same person to lynch. Surprise surprise, that means that one person votes and 6 others follow like sheep. If we do not do that then the day will end in a no lynch and only scum would want that.

Yes, it is a bit of a crap shoot, and tbh i have no idea whether you are scum or not, but that is the case with everyone else too, but like i said we gotta lynch someone.

[mandalorian2298]

Last thing first: I would like to congratulate LSU on the setup. Good Mafia mod, lika a good Dungeon Master should give the players every chance to shoot themselves in the foot and oh boy do we have some early limpers.

Wing, Tobi - congratulations! I am 100% certain that you guys are Town. I am also, pretty certain that one or both of you is getting recruited by scum on Night 1 so congrats to the Vig on two good targets for Nights 2 and 3.

To the rest of you vanilla Villagers: now that we ALL know that Vanilla Townie is called Villager, please DON'T mass claim. It no longer proves that you are innocent. Or recruitable.

So, my eyes are once again fully functional and pretty as ever and I can play fully. Let's see what happened so far...

I am feeling lazy, Epi and Mandy, seeing as you two are squaring off, why should we lynch the other one?

Nothing wrong with lazy. Work smart not hard has always been my favorite motto and your approach is very goal oriented, which is something that Mafia games need more of.

Ok, here are my brief notes on my favorite supects so far:

DAKKY

Between his post count summary and his setting up mandy if epi is town (while switching to vote epi himself), Dakky does seem to be the best case so far day 1, so I will unvote, vote dakky

I agree, dakky seems scummy indeed for this. It's basically an attempt to a) get a free pass during Day 1 because we would be lynching Epi and b) if Epi turns Town then he is trying to cement me as Day 2 lynch target for another free pass.

FOS dakky

THE WHITE ROSE

There we go, that'll do me.

Vote Talapus.

Summary of his post above:

*Oh please dont lynch anyone, lets be clear I dont accuse anyone, ignore me*

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

Although I support voting Talapus as a solid approach in any game; this is such blatant bandwagoning that it boggles the mind. There is a wagon on dakky and he jumps on Wing's (incorrect) summation of Talapus' post like it's a smoking gun! "Yeah sure, let lynch that guy who is not me!"

Luckily, I had the great insight to FOS TWR before it was popular , so I need not waste the red

Epitaph and BGtheBrain

All of you who read original my Epithapika will remember how he first drew my supicion by his metagame endorsment of BG as a good Town player. Well, this Town Hero is currently lying so low that earthworms have to jump over him.

BTW, Epi, I did not accuse you because you "had a different read" on BG and TWR, but because you went out of your way to post meta-game based endorsment/defense of them. There is no reason why a Townie would want to do this. The fact that someone was Town in game A tells you nothing about his role in game B. You can pick up informations about his playing style in general, but unless you have a 100% sure tell on this player which let's you know for certain if this person is Town or Scum, metagaming is just an attempt to divert the Town from what they should be doing: analyzing player's behaviour in THIS game.

My vote stays on Epi. Although the case against dakky is good, I feel that Epi is a better target since his lynch has implications on the cases against TWR and BG.

Cliff notes for Tal: You should vote Epi. Was that short enough?

[Talapus]

... we need to get 7 votes against the same person to lynch. Surprise surprise, that means that one person votes and 6 others follow like sheep.

Not at all, it should mean those other 6 make decisions they are reasonably happy with based on what is there to begin with. What you are describing quite literally is a bandwagon.

And quite honestly there is no reason to quote what you said earlier and feed us all some line about how wing got it wrong. When you claim it isn't a soft claim and that town will find your ability of analysis later on in the game that typically means something akin to a cop role. Again, grats for outing yourself so early, maybe one of the other players will buy your usefulness for later and decide to save you but that's a mighty large target to paint on your own back day one.

[ptlowe]

I'd like a vote count please.

[Talapus]

My vote stays on Epi. Although the case against dakky is good, I feel that Epi is a better target since his lynch has implications on the cases against TWR and BG.

Ok, although I would never admit that you had a semi decent idea or that I agree with you as quite simply I just can't bring myself to that realization, I will say that for this thought process alone I see that maybe on some obscure cosmic level this line of logic has benefits. However, I'm torn mainly for the fact that so far I have disagreed with nearly everything coming out of TWR's and I really can't bring myself to thinking he's scum rather then an out of touch villager just because I can't really see scum playing this way. But my magic 8 ball might just be hazy and twr is fooling me. I would like to see a vote count and will look back over the point on epi and dakky and make up my mind. Also, you made me visually picture earthworms jumping and it amused me, so well done sir.

Cliff notes for Tal: You should vote Epi. Was that short enough?

Indeed, although you buried them at the bottom, they should be at the top so I don't have to muddle through mandy logic to find them...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

To the rest of you vanilla Villagers: now that we ALL know that Vanilla Townie is called Villager, please DON'T mass claim. It no longer proves that you are innocent. Or recruitable.)

Note: its not good enough to claim villager.

Hey White Rose, I am epic at finding scum, so dont lynch me. Though I also really good at maintaining multiple lies as scum, so lynch me.... dont bother posting such crap.

Mandy, stop looking for mafia, nobody cares. We want recruiter.

[HotShot53]

To the rest of you vanilla Villagers: now that we ALL know that Vanilla Townie is called Villager, please DON'T mass claim. It no longer proves that you are innocent. Or recruitable.)

Note: its not good enough to claim villager.

Hey White Rose, I am epic at finding scum, so dont lynch me. Though I also really good at maintaining multiple lies as scum, so lynch me.... dont bother posting such crap.

Mandy, stop looking for mafia, nobody cares. We want recruiter.

Umm... is the comment about the recruiter sarcasm? Or did I miss something somewhere?


Dakky's only defense is that he's always on the block day 1... so my vote will stay there for now. I can see mandy's case on Epi also, so if town decides that's a better case I can see switching if my vote is needed to do something with day 1.

[dakky21]

Dakky's only defense is that he's always on the block day 1... so my vote will stay there for now. I can see mandy's case on Epi also, so if town decides that's a better case I can see switching if my vote is needed to do something with day 1.

So you're willing to bandwagon on anyone else?

Ok, here are my brief notes on my favorite supects so far:

DAKKY

Between his post count summary and his setting up mandy if epi is town (while switching to vote epi himself), Dakky does seem to be the best case so far day 1, so I will unvote, vote dakky

I agree, dakky seems scummy indeed for this. It's basically an attempt to a) get a free pass during Day 1 because we would be lynching Epi and b) if Epi turns Town then he is trying to cement me as Day 2 lynch target for another free pass.

FOS dakky

I don't want a free pass. What you just said is - if Epi turns town, then you are probably town as well. But if Epi turns scum.... that's another story. You're constantly FOS-ing people without voting, looks like you really want anyone dead.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Following the attacks on the twin towers on September 11, 2001 many countries decided that they needed to handle terrorist organizations. Some tried to train them to be democratic countries while others decided to invade. During the course of these events, there was a movement that sprung up in the countries that thought the rest of the country was becoming too "Westernized". This group went by many names, but eventually became known as ISIS. At this time, there is a very loose coalition of countries that are fighting to end ISIS individually. Meanwhile ISIS has started their recruiting to try to stop what they view as a Western cultural takeover of their homeland. Day 1 has begun. First vote count will be sometime on Tuesday. With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch someone.

How explicit do you want it to be?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Count: 15 alive takes 8 to lynch.

4 Dakky: BGtheBrain, Ragian, Hotshot, JBFloyd
2 Talapus: Wing, The White Rose
2 Epitaph: Mandy, Dakky
2 JBFloyd: Epitaph, Talapus,
1 Tobikera : Iron Butterfly,
1 The White Rose: Bujaber,
1 Bujaber: PTLowe,
1 Iron Butterfly: Tobikera

[Iron Butterfly]

Hey Folks. My sincere apologies for being absent this weekend. I was admitted to hospital by ambulance Friday for heart related condition. I was over medicated which had implications on my health. Got home this evening. All is well so I will not bore you with details. I will give input later as I am exhausted and need sleep and good bath. Trying to sleep in a hospital is like sleeping in a card board box in the heart of Time Square. It didnt help that the patiant in my room last night snored like a busted chainsaw.

[dakky21]

Hey Folks. My sincere apologies for being absent this weekend. I was admitted to hospital by ambulance Friday for heart related condition. I was over medicated which had implications on my health. Got home this evening. All is well so I will not bore you with details. I will give input later as I am exhausted and need sleep and good bath. Trying to sleep in a hospital is like sleeping in a card board box in the heart of Time Square. It didnt help that the patiant in my room last night snored like a busted chainsaw.

Off topic: You was lucky you wasn't in a room with me... I snore like 3 busted chainsaws. Glad you're good.

[jbfloyd]

There aren't towns in this part of the World....there are villages. So, we have VVs (Vanilla Villagers), I guess. 15 players, that should be about 8-9 villagers, 4 scum, and 2-3 third party, although I've never played one of this mod's games before.

I missed this until this was pointed out. Unlike, mandy and wing, I don't think word villager is some kind of privileged information. It's like his only post; it does make me lean town on Tobi, I'll give him a D1 bye, but I do not consider the post exculpatory.

The recruiting thing. If true (good catch wing) it means results are reset every night. Just because someone seems townie now, it doesn't mean they stay townie for the duration.

Thanks for the vote count mod. It reminds of an early republican primary. I can't see us going farther than Wednesday before a deadline is called. Unless we want to figure out everything at the last minute, we should try to coalesce around something soon.

Side commentary: As someone who can really only check in once in the morning and once in the evening on weekdays and sometimes only evenings, it kind of bugs me all of a sudden 4 pages of posts happen before a deadline that I can't participate in.

[BuJaber]

I can't quote a PM, but LSU has implied that there are ways of getting recruited to a particular faction by someone OTHER than that faction. Going after a recruiter is a great move for sure, but just don't forget that it's not the only danger.

Epi, I am not ignoring your question, but I didn't keep any notes for the game and I'd have to go over everything again to remember what inspired my reads. Since the weekend is over, time is a little scarce. I will do that asap.

I have very limited experience playing with any of you; ranging from 0 games - 2 days only in the other game. All I know for sure is how capable TWR is at lying. His behavior is a little strange. I am not confident he is scum, but I haven't seen enough on anyone else to warrant changing my vote.

[ptlowe]

I disagree with this sentiment. I have jut reread all of the initial posts. Tobikera has posted twice of which this is the largest the other is asking for his/her name to be fixed. THERE ARE NO VILLAGES.....Its ISIS verse member states. So if ur from a village ur probably scum. Just my thoughts. Countries arent villages. Read the intro duh
unvote vote Tobikera

Other reads
Bu - Iffy on him. Feel like hes made a couple of scummy posts. I dont like people claiming town when there really isnt a town. Its countries verse terrorists. Also some of his/her arguments dont make sense but I havent played with him/her enough to get a good read.

EPI and Mandy - Feel like they could both be scum or both be town. Time will tell. They could be pushing each other so we dont expect the other when it comes down to the end.

BG-I think hes scum as well. Nothing in his gameplay even appears to be good guy

TWR - Lost and worthless to the game.

Wing - Good addition to the game, feels like a good guy.

Tala - Feel like he is good as well. Time will tell.

IB - Good Guy

HS - Playing the same game he always plays. I have never been able to read him.Town and scum same play style..

Madmitch and Dakky- who knows with them

There aren't towns in this part of the World....there are villages. So, we have VVs (Vanilla Villagers), I guess. 15 players, that should be about 8-9 villagers, 4 scum, and 2-3 third party, although I've never played one of this mod's games before.

I missed this until this was pointed out. Unlike, mandy and wing, I don't think word villager is some kind of privileged information. It's like his only post; it does make me lean town on Tobi, I'll give him a D1 bye, but I do not consider the post exculpatory.

The recruiting thing. If true (good catch wing) it means results are reset every night. Just because someone seems townie now, it doesn't mean they stay townie for the duration.

Thanks for the vote count mod. It reminds of an early republican primary. I can't see us going farther than Wednesday before a deadline is called. Unless we want to figure out everything at the last minute, we should try to coalesce around something soon.

Side commentary: As someone who can really only check in once in the morning and once in the evening on weekdays and sometimes only evenings, it kind of bugs me all of a sudden 4 pages of posts happen before a deadline that I can't participate in.

[dakky21]

I disagree with this sentiment. I have jut reread all of the initial posts. Tobikera has posted twice of which this is the largest the other is asking for his/her name to be fixed. THERE ARE NO VILLAGES.....Its ISIS verse member states. So if ur from a village ur probably scum. Just my thoughts. Countries arent villages. Read the intro duh
unvote vote Tobikera

Village and VillageR are not the same... Villager is VT while I'm not sure if a Village role exist.

[mandalorian2298]

To the rest of you vanilla Villagers: now that we ALL know that Vanilla Townie is called Villager, please DON'T mass claim. It no longer proves that you are innocent. Or recruitable.)

Note: its not good enough to claim villager.

Hey White Rose, I am epic at finding scum, so dont lynch me. Though I also really good at maintaining multiple lies as scum, so lynch me.... dont bother posting such crap.

Mandy, stop looking for mafia, nobody cares. We want recruiter.

Is that some sort of a claim?

[Ragian]

@PT, are you stating that this game is only ISIS vs. Coalition? That doesn't really sound "confusiong and absurd" as stated in the rules. But nice of you to tell the recruiter that you are not a mere villager. Duh right back atcha.