War on terrorism Dakky lynched: Nato & Russia win

[the white rose]

b) TWR just get's lynched early in his games, for some reason, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's actually pretty easy to catch his scum-tells (sorry TWR, I call it as I sees it)

well the thing is day 1 is always a crap shoot, if i say something someone will consider it scummy and vote me, if i shut up then i am not playing the game and get lynched for scumarining, i can't win......would i be posting any different if i were scum? probably not.....if you lynch me and i am scum you nod knowingly claiming its easy to spot my scum tells, yet if i turn out to be town, then i deserved to be lynched by deceiving the rest of town by acting scummy.

this is the way i play, lynch me if you like, but keeping me alive will mean that i will be mightily useful later in the game when there is something to analyse, and no this is not a soft claim.

it seems in this game that the more you try to scum hunt the more you are accused of scum. If you think i am scum, then lynch me and let me get on with other things, otherwise leave me and let me scumhunt which i have been known to do very effectively if given the chance.

[the white rose]

now watch someone come on and say ah yes, twr has given himself away, must be scum.

[Ragian]

Also, I found put in my last game. Those that suggest mass claiming are morons. Got me killed early as a strong PR town role. Mass claiming always a bad idea.

A turned out to be a bad idea once --> A is always a bad idea. That doesn't fly.

I don't like floyd's idea of lynched WT to give the mod (and us) an out.

Surely, you of all people realised that he was joking. I even realised. This bit was weird, epi.

As for Dakky and myself you folks are correct we always attack each other but it is all in fun. Sometimes I will answer back right away ,sometimes not just depends on how I feel , anyway it does get the conversation started. As for twr statement it just is wrong! claiming your town this early for no good reason is just plain crazy, are you trying to get killed ? Maybe you are a jester or worse some terrorist bomber who will take a bunch of us out. and Jb Floyd I do believe you are trying to help the game but like H.S. said there is no reason to mod kill when we have a replacement.also UNVOTE

I'm interested in dakky's response to this.

Dakky ignored it... weird, but this is more weird.

I agree about Epi. Though, such deep thoughts and investigations will probably lead to EPI being lynched, but if he is town, you're next.

unvote, vote Epitaph1

I'm with you on your case, but if you're wrong, then we lynh you D2. Sounds like someone setting up a 2 x town lynch.

[color=#FF0000][b]unvote vote dakky

FYI, people need to stop saying that jb proposed to lynch Winston. It was a joke. Move on.

FP'ed by TWR.

[Ragian]

ARGH! Can't get the red font to work on my vote..

unvote vote dakky

[ptlowe]

b) TWR just get's lynched early in his games, for some reason, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's actually pretty easy to catch his scum-tells (sorry TWR, I call it as I sees it)

well the thing is day 1 is always a crap shoot, if i say something someone will consider it scummy and vote me, if i shut up then i am not playing the game and get lynched for scumarining, i can't win......would i be posting any different if i were scum? probably not.....if you lynch me and i am scum you nod knowingly claiming its easy to spot my scum tells, yet if i turn out to be town, then i deserved to be lynched by deceiving the rest of town by acting scummy.

this is the way i play, lynch me if you like, but keeping me alive will mean that i will be mightily useful later in the game when there is something to analyse, and no this is not a soft claim.

it seems in this game that the more you try to scum hunt the more you are accused of scum. If you think i am scum, then lynch me and let me get on with other things, otherwise leave me and let me scumhunt which i have been known to do very effectively if given the chance.

lol keeping me alive makes me useful, makes me want to kill you lol. because i dont believe it.

[HotShot53]

Between his post count summary and his setting up mandy if epi is town (while switching to vote epi himself), Dakky does seem to be the best case so far day 1, so I will unvote, vote dakky

[dakky21]

I'm interested in dakky's response to this.

Dakky ignored it... weird, but this is more weird.

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I'm with you on your case, but if you're wrong, then we lynh you D2. Sounds like someone setting up a 2 x town lynch.

First, ignoring mitch is my specialty. You should have got used to it already. I still think he didn't respond as he normally does (to a joke vote), but that's just meta and can wait.

Mandy made pretty good summary of Epi's posts and I agreed with him that it sounds scummy.

Between his post count summary and his setting up mandy if epi is town (while switching to vote epi himself), Dakky does seem to be the best case so far day 1, so I will unvote, vote dakky

If you didn't noticed, I seem to be a pretty best case on day 1, always.

[mandalorian2298]

You can consider this Mandy-rant lite...

Really??? I guess then I need a subscription for the fat free/gluten free version next time because it is still wordy. Will look this over in a bit when I have more time from working to give it the attention you no doubt expect it to deserve.

It does deserve it! How many days does it take fo you to read one brilliant post and then sing praises to the author?! Sing my praises already, damn your ovaries! Sing them! SING!!!

[Epitaph1]

Mandy's case is one big OMGUS. I've been keeping an eye on him for most of the game and he's taken notice.

I can't tell if Mandalorian's vote is real or a joke. Based on everything else he's said, I'm thinking it's a joke.

I can't tell if Mandalorian's vote is real or a joke. Based on everything else he's said, I'm thinking it's a joke.

Seriously though, do you really think that I would seriously vote for 'one of the better Town players'? What madness could possess me to do something like that?

I agree with Rag's comment about dakky. Adding up the posts at this point in the game isn't helpful as most of the talk has been joking around. It's only turning serious on page 4.

I took BuJaber's comment about masons to be a joke. LSU did mention masons in the rules, but that could mean nothing. Would be crazy if Bu was scum and one of his buddies is a scum mason.

The FOS and vote on TWR are both weak. Scum usually doesn't come out and say "I'm going to be quiet so I don't get lynched today." Yeah, it's not good to make such a comment as it doesn't contribute to the discussion, but I don't think TWR just gave himself away by making such a comment.

IGMEOY mandalorian and bujaber

Bold added for emphasis

Well, between my voting 'one of the better Town players' and my FOSing TWR because I am naive enough to think that he might give himself away by making such a comment, I can hardly blame you. Please, feel free to correct any future misconceptions that I am sure to have.

I love it when players claim they are laying "traps" in mafia. Usually smells as an excuse for bad play at best and at worst its a cover up. BuJaber suggested he's been doing something similar with his mason comment. When questioned about it, he said he doesn't want to expose his thought process. . .is he trying to lay a trap as well?

I agree with Rag on the post count point.

Mod, can you please prod Winston?

I'm eager to hear Mandy's conclusions. So far, we've had mostly joking and the game's only begun to get half serious in the last day. For some reason, I'm expecting reads on subtle hints a la Storr.

Anyone else have some reads?

I don't put too much into the dakky/mitch exchange. They always go after each other this early.

I'd rather go after those pressuring TWR rather than him for reasons previously stated.

Everyone else I don't have a strong opinion.

No way Mandy..I'm not doing the work for you . I have an initial list of potential allies, another for scummy personalities, and another for no clue.
I'm expecting some overlap so don't disappoint.
As of now my vote stands.

Mandy and Bu said they have some reads but haven't shared them. Let's hear them.

Again, bold added for emphasis.

Mandy's case against me is that I'm reading BG and TWR differently than him. He's taken all of their posts at face value and I've made a meta read on BG and a more instinctual read on TWR. I personally know BG and have played probably well over 50 mafia games with him on here and in person. I can't tell you I know when he's scum for sure, but I do know that he's playing this game how I normally does as town.

As for TWR, he's playing like someone who doesn't give a flip but is tired of getting lynched on D1. It would be great if he would tell us who he thinks is scummy instead of whining about how he always gets pressured/lynched on D1. That would be much more helpful and spur the conversation.

Dakky's vote on me is a nice bw vote.

Funny how Mandy and BuJaber both suspect me after I call out their pressure on TWR. Also, I don't find their explanations that they are laying traps credible. They have both made posts along the lines of "I have my suspects and reads but I'm not going to give them yet". Those kinds of posts aren't helpful. Give your reads and we can talk about it. See if other people agree or disagree. The scum already have more information than us to begin with, so it's no use withholding your thoughts because you don't want to tip them off.

Bu says he has an "initial list of potential allies, another for scummy personalities, and another for no clue." Let's hear them.

Mandy says he has his first "batch of conclusions". Let's hear them. Or was it all just about me?

[BuJaber]

Initial reads:

Town
Mandy
ptlowe
madmitch
iron butterfly

Scum
jbfloyd
dakky
epitaph
hotshot
TWR

That's helpful for you? I have nothing substantial to go on. It's mainly gut feeling, so I didn't wanna post it until I have more. But here, if anything, your thing about scum already knowing and town not having a clue convinced me. How will this list help us exactly?
If they're innocent I piss them off. But you can share your opinions now, go on. Because I haven't decided if I'm gonna change my vote.

[BuJaber]

It just occurred to me that maybe you just wanted to laugh at my stupidity. Well I deserve it then. Apparently I have no free will and just blindly obey people when they tell me to do something. Got a bank you want me to rob for you maybe?

[jbfloyd]

FYI, people need to stop saying that jb proposed to lynch Winston. It was a joke. Move on.

Well, I'm glad at least one person got it. 'salright though Rage, if people are looking for a reason to make something stick, I think I can take it. As I've learned, it's mafia, not pretty pretty ponies...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Initial reads:

Town
Mandy
ptlowe
madmitch
iron butterfly

Scum
jbfloyd
dakky
epitaph
hotshot
TWR

That's helpful for you? I have nothing substantial to go on. It's mainly gut feeling, so I didn't wanna post it until I have more. But here, if anything, your thing about scum already knowing and town not having a clue convinced me. How will this list help us exactly?
If they're innocent I piss them off. But you can share your opinions now, go on. Because I haven't decided if I'm gonna change my vote.

Now I have barely skimmed this thread, but this looks suspiciously like others opinions not your own. How far off am I with that statement?

White Rose - In how many of the last games have you claimed earlier that your role is important to town, and in how many games have you been mafia?

I am feeling lazy, Epi and Mandy, seeing as you two are squaring off, why should we lynch the other one?

(LSU Josh has asked me to replace Winston but has not yet sent me a role pm. Its has zero impact on my ability to scum hunt so......)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There aren't towns in this part of the World....there are villages. So, we have VVs (Vanilla Villagers), I guess. 15 players, that should be about 8-9 villagers, 4 scum, and 2-3 third party, although I've never played one of this mod's games before.

So just got my role pm. My response to this post now; I hear you brother! Hi FIve.

But read the opening scene, there is a cult by the name of ISIS, kill the recruiter, win the game. Who is trying to live for just an extra day or so? Assuming typical mafia/town seems a bit dubious.

So scratch Mandy and Epi, who doesnt want to get involved in the game yet is posting?

[Talapus]

You can consider this Mandy-rant lite...

Really??? I guess then I need a subscription for the fat free/gluten free version next time because it is still wordy. Will look this over in a bit when I have more time from working to give it the attention you no doubt expect it to deserve.

It does deserve it! How many days does it take fo you to read one brilliant post and then sing praises to the author?! Sing my praises already, damn your ovaries! Sing them! SING!!!

I missed the brilliance...sorry dude. See the logic and reasoning behind it and no doubt with epi's response you will regale us with a full page tale of treachery and deceit and some how wrap it up all nicely in a CONCISE SUMMARY*nudge, nudge, wink wink* for me to read later...lol.

Couple things I guess. First off, the mason talk is ridiculous. Thank you captain obvious for opening the door on mason talk. You are playing a game based on what quite frankly could have caused complete instability in middle east for all the nations on the plant. Sure they have had problems for centuries but every flipping person on the planet thinks they know how to deal with it. With that in mind you have zero idea what nations, special interest groups, government contractors, religious solo fanatics, or other political groups with motives can communicate in this game. Reaching out like that seems useless as I'm sure as the game progresses alliances and needs will change based on the story and thus some form of communication will happen. So discussing this before we know anything is a total waste of time.

I see the Dak conversation as having slightly more to go on then the epi convo at the moment, but that's also because I have yet to read epi's response as I am just summing up so far as I catch up.

As for TWR I'm seeing more than anything a player who has been screwed in the past either from action or non-action and is too afraid to say much else on grounds it will hurt them. It's day 1, I'm willing to cut them a bit a slack and see how this plays out.

Also I agree with Ragain, mass claims make sense in some setups and games and just because you got screwed in one game pt never means mass claims are bad. They can be quite beneficial in certain setups though I believe this to not be one of them just based on the fact that for several of our roles it could be hard to decide alignment.

Back the twr...I mean really what were you thinking coming out claiming town will miss you later on if they need to analyse something....really? Even if you live through the day I would think that kind of puts a bright neon arrow over your head saying, "Hey bad guys, I know stuff and I'm gonna tell." I wish you all the luck in the world still being alive come day 3 with comments like that.

And I read Epi's response...ehhh. not enough to sway me and think Epi is clean but not enough to make me think mandy is scum either(Though usually buddy I think that just to be safe).

So to sum up, lot's of day 1 shenanigans and best thing so far is the dak argument which although isn't strong is something. I doubt twr will live long, mason talk is complete bs so early in the game, BU's list already has 5 scum based on gut(You are correct, not useful because that seems slightly high and again alliances I'm sure will change as game goes on), and no doubt we will get a one page rebuttal from mandy based on epi's response(Remember dude, cliff notes at bottom please). With the weekend ahead of us and more discussion to come I will quite simply just not move my vote out of respect for the mod until we get closer to deadline.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There we go, that'll do me.

Vote Talapus.

Summary of his post above:

*Oh please dont lynch anyone, lets be clear I dont accuse anyone, ignore me*

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Its been too long

Vote Talapus

[Talapus]

There we go, that'll do me.

Vote Talapus.

Summary of his post above:

*Oh please dont lynch anyone, lets be clear I dont accuse anyone, ignore me*

I'll give you time to catch up, but my vote is on someone with a reason already. It's ok though, certainly missed playing with some of you guys

[mandalorian2298]

No singing?

[Talapus]

No singing?

I'm tone deaf anyway man, I assure you I'm doing us all a favor.

[Ragian]

FYI, people need to stop saying that jb proposed to lynch Winston. It was a joke. Move on.

Well, I'm glad at least one person got it. 'salright though Rage, if people are looking for a reason to make something stick, I think I can take it. As I've learned, it's mafia, not pretty pretty ponies...

I'm hung over...

[the white rose]

There we go, that'll do me.

Vote Talapus.

Summary of his post above:

*Oh please dont lynch anyone, lets be clear I dont accuse anyone, ignore me*

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

[Talapus]

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

... . So you claim a power roll, offer zero additional input, respond to nothing in the post I put up to begin with questioning why you'd put such a huge target on your own back, and then willingly claim " I will go along with that"??? You do realize attitudes like that make you seem like you'll be the first individual to hop on a bandwagon right? Which, as a supposed pro-town role, is a bad idea. Not to mention, and I find this part hilarious, you didn't want to say anything to begin with because you were afraid it would make you look like scum and yet you have zero problem jumping in with this gem and offering nothing additional.

I'd totally vote you for a move like this if I didn't actually think you may just be a a sheep of a town folk. Because from what I have seen so far I see zero indication this play style for you is not the norm unfortunately.

[jbfloyd]

unvote

vote dakky

My vote one twr was more of a prod to do something rather me thinking he's done anything overtly scummy, although his response has be underwhelming.

Dakky actually said something that registered on the scummy side of the spectrum to me. So I'm thinking that is the better avenue to pursue going forward.

[madmitch]

Could we have a vote count please, I lost my way,thanks. I don't like TWR quick vote Talapus , I also think Mandy and BuJaber are working together either as scum or cult, and welcome WCG glad to have you hear.