[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[rizky_biznezz]

Sticking with player... I need to know either way... Rish implicated player once saying he thought she was a little scummy but that he could have been tunnelling and that was the only mention I could see.... I couldn't see a vote on her thru the game from him despite her being mentioned as being scummy by several players on many occasions... Not much but its all I have right now

Vote player

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin... I like your analysis, except you are wrong about me. I don't think your analysis really shows me as a prime target, either. That -- that you are now turning against me fairly heavily -- makes me suspicious (though that did not work in Wing's case). However my main point against you is that Wing thought you were scum. I had you leaning town because it was the opposite of wing, but when wing was confirmed town, that was reversed.

I'm not turning agist you, farely hevily or utherwise. I've sed I cood be perswayded to vote fer eny uncnfermed playa, and dat their arnt eny reely hard fackts to go on.

So, littul tings are goin to make a diffrense. I sed I want to know weather you've been foolin us orl with a briliant "I'm sutch a noob" show, and it strikes me dat if you are Mafia and you pull it orf in yore first game, a lot of eggsperiesed playas will have egg on there faces. Not dat dat is a reeson in itself to vote you. But their are a bunch of other tings: Yore "I am vanilla scum" slip; yore keeness to linch Wing, yore not been on teh Rish vote, yore been on a qwik-forming wagen on me D5, yore lack of useful analisis, etc. I gess we orl have sum black marks aginst us, but I am most curius about you and IB, who has been shrouded in enigma literly sinse D1. Plus, TWR and RB, two of our tree twusted playas, are voting you, witch inspires confidense a littul - at leest we know dey are not trying to leed us astray.

[PLAYER57832]

vote Mets

I am awaiting a response from you player from my last post.

Look above.

[PLAYER57832]

Sticking with player... I need to know either way... Rish implicated player once saying he thought she was a little scummy but that he could have been tunnelling and that was the only mention I could see.... I couldn't see a vote on her thru the game from him despite her being mentioned as being scummy by several players on many occasions... Not much but its all I have right now

Vote player

Why would they vote against me when I am not a power role and you have made it apparent I might even be a target. If I were scum, I would try to get town to do as much of my work as possible. And, it seems that mafia has been accomplishing that pretty well.

As said above, all of these "they look scummy" based on none votes, etc have been wrong. We scored with rish, but that was likely because mafia decided they had to vote at least one of theirs out to avoid suspicion on the rest.

[PLAYER57832]

Aladdin... I like your analysis, except you are wrong about me. I don't think your analysis really shows me as a prime target, either. That -- that you are now turning against me fairly heavily -- makes me suspicious (though that did not work in Wing's case). However my main point against you is that Wing thought you were scum. I had you leaning town because it was the opposite of wing, but when wing was confirmed town, that was reversed.

I'm not turning agist you, farely hevily or utherwise. I've sed I cood be perswayded to vote fer eny uncnfermed playa, and dat their arnt eny reely hard fackts to go on.

So, littul tings are goin to make a diffrense. I sed I want to know weather you've been foolin us orl with a briliant "I'm sutch a noob" show, and it strikes me dat if you are Mafia and you pull it orf in yore first game, a lot of eggsperiesed playas will have egg on there faces. Not dat dat is a reeson in itself to vote you. But their are a bunch of other tings: Yore "I am vanilla scum" slip; yore keeness to linch Wing, yore not been on teh Rish vote, yore been on a qwik-forming wagen on me D5, yore lack of useful analisis, etc. I gess we orl have sum black marks aginst us, but I am most curius about you and IB, who has been shrouded in enigma literly sinse D1. Plus, TWR and RB, two of our tree twusted playas, are voting you, witch inspires confidense a littul - at leest we know dey are not trying to leed us astray.

I am not mafia. I am vanilla town.

As per your analysis, I did like what you had to say, and I am not saying you were scummy in giving an analysis of me. Its just that I know I am town and I am not sure what else I can do to prove it. As used to be said a lot in the discussion forum, its pretty hard to prove a truth. We disprove hypothesis because its easier. The only real proof here comes with a lynch or night kill. ( I suppose mod kill could be included, but they are no longer relevant).

My main reason for thinking IB might be scum is twofold. First, the initial Hot Shot vote. I saw others suspicious at the time. I stayed back then because I really did not know much of anything at that point, barely even how to play the game (and if you remember I had some RL issues, so it took me a bit to find the time to really go back and look over all the discussion). I don't think IB was ever fully cleared of that, its just that other targets were seen to be better at the time. Then we have the blood bit. You did an analysis of that except I am not sure your conclusion that we can count on it being reversed, etc is really justified.

IWR -- Going back to wing, etc, there was a time when suspicion fell on IWR. That seems to have been dismissed and I am not fighting that/not really arguing against it at this time. If IB is lynched, and, as I suspect, does turn mafia, then it will tell us a lot. Actually, if IB is town it will tell us something, too, but I hope not to have a town lynch. That said, its all just guessing. Why I tie IWR and IB together is that they seem to be tied voting and discussion-wise. However, that does not necessarily mean that if IB is convicted IWR should be too, it just would give pause.... reason to think.

Ultimately, as I already said, I think it is really coming down to guesses. Take that into account when reading my "analysis". You asked, I am responding. My suspicions are there, but not strong at all.

Per / and the rest... I cannot add anything to what is said.

Again, my "suspicions" are basically guesses. If you think there is something to my reasoning, fine. If not... I already said I would go along with the crowd, for anything but a vote against me. Actually, at this point it is tempting to say I would go along with a vote against myself, just to get the game over, but that would not be fair to town.

[Iron Butterfly]

@Player

My main reason for thinking IB might be scum is twofold. First, the initial Hot Shot vote.My role was stated as Insane Asylum Guard. I stated that unless HS was lynched he would cause harm to Town. On being lynched HS flipped as Deranged Inmate I saw others suspicious at the time. I stayed back then because I really did not know much of anything at that point, barely even how to play the game (and if you remember I had some RL issues, so it took me a bit to find the time to really go back and look over all the discussion). I don't think IB was ever fully cleared of that, its just that other targets were seen to be better at the time. Then we have the blood bit. You did an analysis of that except I am not sure your conclusion that we can count on it being reversed, etc is really justified.
My role and claim lynched a deranged inmate. Yet your logic seems to indicate that your case is based on others were suspicious so I must be scum? What exactly should I be cleared of after helping lynch antiTown??

Once again you play the newbie card as if it means something. You stayed back because you were new. Your case makes no sense.

[AladdinSane]

Hotshot, Third Party Delusional Escapee from Esylum (3rd party survivor), has been lynched!

Ahem! Tecknickly, HS was DELUSIONAL, not DERANGED. Inportent diffrense, sinse "deranged" has a mutch stronger conotashun of "danjerus". "Delusional" dozent, I tink, partickly imply a thret.

I dont see enything in the flip info on HS dat implies he was danjerus.

[AladdinSane]

In fackt, woodent his flip info be colored red if he was reely anti-Town?

[AladdinSane]

There were several players relativley absent during the rish lycnhlous day. Perhaps there is a good place to start scum hunting.

How about naming names?

Hear is teh Rish final vote count:

Vote Count

Benga (3) -Catchers, Players, Risky
Rish (8) - Benga, Deg, Rage, Mets, Aladdin, IB, Mitch, TWR
DJ (2) - Rish, /,

LYNCH!

Rish - Mafia Roleblocker has been lynched

D6 their were 14 alive, 8 to linch. Their were 13 votes, wit only DJP (who fliped Town, ackshually) not voting. Who wood you judge to be "relatively absent" dat day? If you have time, post counts wood be a nice tutch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Mets (2) - /, IB
IB (1) - Catchers
Player (2) - WhiteRose, Rizky
Catchers (1) - Mitch

Deadline - 05/04/16 - 13:00 CC time, 6 to lynch

[PLAYER57832]

@Player

My main reason for thinking IB might be scum is twofold. First, the initial Hot Shot vote.My role was stated as Insane Asylum Guard. I stated that unless HS was lynched he would cause harm to Town. On being lynched HS flipped as Deranged Inmate I saw others suspicious at the time. I stayed back then because I really did not know much of anything at that point, barely even how to play the game (and if you remember I had some RL issues, so it took me a bit to find the time to really go back and look over all the discussion). I don't think IB was ever fully cleared of that, its just that other targets were seen to be better at the time. Then we have the blood bit. You did an analysis of that except I am not sure your conclusion that we can count on it being reversed, etc is really justified.
My role and claim lynched a deranged inmate. Yet your logic seems to indicate that your case is based on others were suspicious so I must be scum? What exactly should I be cleared of after helping lynch antiTown??

Once again you play the newbie card as if it means something. You stayed back because you were new. Your case makes no sense.

Oh please. I came into this game not realizing how much time it would take and at a bad time RL-wise too boot. (I wound up doing many extra shifts, plus some volunteer work when a coworker's house burned and 2 family members died. ) I had a short time in which to beg off, but by then several were already also gone and Streaker was having issues. At that point I still did not really know how much time would be required to do a decent job. Its not so much that I am a newbie as that I just have not had the time to sit and do a full and complete analysis. When I did try, I came up with not much and probably "too little, too late". At this point, I am doing my best not to screw town over. I don't like defending myself all the time. I can see, based on all the comments, that this is an unusually complicated mafia game and one that has also had its share of issues and has dragged on for a long time. Its unlikely I will play mafia again, but if I do, then I will definitely know better what I am in for. This game requires the time to not just glance through posts, but really read them and to keep track of everything everyone is saying. Then you have to balance all of that.

If you want to claim that makes me look "scummy" --- well basically, its that type of "reasoning" that makes me thing you are. Per the Hot shot bit-- I thought HS came up as insane, but that this did not necessarily mean bad, except on your say-so. At least, that is what I remembered people saying. Then folks seemed to partially be convinced and partially just moving on to other targets. If I am going back over all the votes, then you stick out and not including you would be negligent. All of that said, I also said I was going to vote with the group, except of course on a vote for myself.

Maybe I am just tired right now, but I am ready to just roll some dice -- to give everyone numbers and see who I pick. Seriously! But, if you all come up with a consistent vote then I will go along. I am not going to offer any more "analysis" because I have nothing to add and am tired of being told that everything I say means I am somehow mafia.

Frankly, if I were mafia, then I would have played a better game. My fault here is that I just played honestly... but this is not a game for that.

[Iron Butterfly]

Maybe what you say is true but you still sound like a broken record and you never address the question asked. we all have lives. This game is not that imposing on so give me a break. If you are going tos ay something back it up Your beliefs on who are scum seem based on what others think and not the facts presented. It has gotten very old. So enough about life stuff. You obviously have the time to post considering the how you keep repeating yourself. Now post substance.

[PLAYER57832]

Maybe what you say is true but you still sound like a broken record and you never address the question asked. we all have lives. This game is not that imposing on so give me a break. If you are going tos ay something back it up Your beliefs on who are scum seem based on what others think and not the facts presented. It has gotten very old. So enough about life stuff. You obviously have the time to post considering the how you keep repeating yourself. Now post substance.

Not even close. I answered, but for some reason you insist that nothing I say is correct or valid.

Post substance, you say. What substance, pray tell? I have no investigative powers, nothing more than just the "maybe this, maybe that" that everyone is putting forward. I am a plain vanilla townie. You keep demanding that I put forward more, but truthfully have put forth little but unfounded accusations yourself. The difference is you insist your assertions are correct and that those who disagree are "scum". Everyone does this to a point, but you take it to and extreme. What I am saying may not be all that helpful, but so are comments of many. You demand, when you know full well the "demand" cannot be met. At least I am not pretending that I have some great insight or that my ideas are somehow more firm than anyone else's. i am not the one suggesting anyone not parlaying my lines is scum, you pretty much are.

At any rate, I don't know right now if you are scum, but it is pretty clear that at least one of the consistent voters is likely scum.

I am serious about wanting to just toss some dice, but I will go along with the crowd.

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We're gonna go into no lynch with a four way divide in a couple days and Mets happens to be sitting around with a big ol shrug.

[rizky_biznezz]

We only have til the 5th... Benga where u at?

[madmitch]

@ slash you are right! UNVOTE VOTE METS

[AladdinSane]

I'm a bit suspishus of those who want to linch Mets today, witout giving him a chanse to finger Mafia overnite. Scared dat he mite get a hit, perhaps?

/, IB, Mitch on teh Mets wagen, versus TWR and RB on teh Player wagen. I know witch groop I twust moor (hint: it isent teh firt wun).

I'm waiting fer Benga to vote. At leest voting wit teh twusted playas removes teh posibility of been delibrately led astray, leeving only teh posibility of geting it acidently rong (yet agin).

I'm traveling on teh 5th, so will vote tomorow my time in case tings go awry and I cant get logged in fer sum reeson. Hopefuly Benga will have voted by den, but in eny case, I'll prob folow teh twusted groop.

[AladdinSane]

I could def vote Mets tomorow, btw.

[AladdinSane]

...depending on wether he fingers sumwun, and how credibul his claim is, of corse.

[PLAYER57832]

Interesting, that. So I am now the target of the "trusted" players? I am not happy with voting mets, but if its him or me, then I guess I will vote mets... but not until either later today or tomorrow.

[PLAYER57832]

In fackt, woodent his flip info be colored red if he was reely anti-Town?

I think this is a VERY good point.

Basically, I see a couple of options right now.

with the above, I am definitely leaning toward IB. It would make perfect since, if that were the case, that I would now be the prime lynch target.

I am not sure about IWR, since apparently his confirmation was much more firm. It was, if I remember correctly, a confirmation by the town cop? At any rate, I would not lynch IWR before IB. If IB turns, then we can look at other prospects

The other option is that IWR and IB are both OK. If so, we get into some iffy suspects. Mets, /, Aladdin -- well, basically everyone but mad mitch.
Then again, maybe mad is crazy mafia instead of just a jester. (don't really think so, but I am addressing possibilities).

So... I think I already voted IB, but just in case UNVOTE VOTE IB

If no one else agrees, then its back to the other choices, I supposed.

[AladdinSane]

Interesting, that. So I am now the target of the "trusted" players? I am not happy with voting mets, but if its him or me, then I guess I will vote mets... but not until either later today or tomorrow.

Well, yes. Teh twusted groop is, as I see it, TWR, RB, and Benga. Two of those are curently voting fer you, and Benga is yet to vote.

I am kind of starting to leen away frum you a bit and tord IB - their has just been too mutch mistery serounding him throughout teh game. But let's see wot teh twusted groop comes up wit. We have to avoid a no-linch. It's unfortunate dat I am traveling on teh 5th, sinse I prob wont be able to make eny last minut adjustments to my vote.

[AladdinSane]

Teh other ting wit Mets is he cood well be NKed tonite if he is Town. Eether way, I don't see him lasting anuther day/nite cycul. If not linched today or Nked tonite, prob linched tomorow. Ortho in dat last case, will be innersting if he fingers sumwun tomorow mourning. Den we will have to deside who is moor credibul - Mets, or whoever he is pointing teh finger at.

[AladdinSane]

And if Mets DOES servive tonite, will it be becorse he is MAfia, or becorse he is Town and was perteckted aby a hidden Doc?

Hard desishun fer a hiden Doc - perteck Mets, who mite be Mafia, or pertect a twusted playa (not TWR, obviusly)?

[Metsfanmax]

Here's the thing about IB: I've been suspicious right from the start of his claim that he's actually town-aligned. However, it seems to me like there's almost no way he could be mafia and have had the information he did. I'm still betting he's some kind of 3P that needs to eliminate the asylum inmates as his wincon. So while I can't tell whether he's dangerous to town, we should just be clear if we do lynch him that it's not because he's potential mafia.

I still don't understand why HotShot got such a raw deal, and I'm still convinced that IB is either lying to us or withholding some part of the truth. In other circumstances that might earn him a lynch, but I don't know that we can afford to not lynch mafia today.