[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[Iron Butterfly]

Nice!!

I question miss Vanilla Scum and question how she plays. DJ jumps right to her defense. Bring it.

vote DJ

[Metsfanmax]

Nice!!

I question miss Vanilla Scum and question how she plays. DJ jumps right to her defense. Bring it.

vote DJ

Alright, at least a case against DJ is actually starting to be made. But as for PLAYER, I'm pretty skeptical of the people who are using this "vanilla scum" thing. Still, I see where they're coming from.

PLAYER, what is your case against IB?

[Iron Butterfly]

Her case is that I called her on her BS. Her strategy per her own words is to tread water and not screw up. not sure how you do that as a VT. Up until this point she has not had an opinion on anything other then to suggest I may scum.

[PLAYER57832]

Nice!!

I question miss Vanilla Scum and question how she plays. DJ jumps right to her defense. Bring it.

vote DJ

Alright, at least a case against DJ is actually starting to be made. But as for PLAYER, I'm pretty skeptical of the people who are using this "vanilla scum" thing. Still, I see where they're coming from.

PLAYER, what is your case against IB?

Its not so much evidence against IB, but more I am not convinced.
Same as others have expressed from the start. Basically, it seemed odd that Ib would be right off given info to hammer HotShot, then it seems like IB has been the one to more or less intitiate the lynches that have actually suceeded, (but that may just be my perception). IB has come up with good arguments, but they all seem to be arguments for attacking others rather than defense. The basic defense has been "I have been in on the votes" -- but that becomes a circular argument.

But, I am not truly convinced about anyone right now, so... I am looking for what others say.

[PLAYER57832]

Also, I apologize if I have not been the best player. I have been pretty stressed for RL issues the past few days. I thought I would just not be able to go on at all, but since I have been at the computer, I guess old habits of logging into CC have come back, only in short bursts rather than long stretches. That works OK for the regular CC games (OK whether AOR is "regular" is debatable .. lol ), but is not working that great for mafia. I understand folks' frustration with me. All I can do is apologize.

[PLAYER57832]

Her case is that I called her on her BS. Her strategy per her own words is to tread water and not screw up. not sure how you do that as a VT. Up until this point she has not had an opinion on anything other then to suggest I may scum.

Oh please... I thought wing was scum, said so. I thought mets was scum early on... I have been wrong, have been wrong on a lot of what I have said, but that doesn't mean I have not had opinions.

And per the "not screwing up" bit .... if I get lynched, then I would say I have "screwed up", despite your assertion that a lot of townies dying in a large game like this is normal. The goal of town is to survive, not be lynched.

Also, most of my opinions have been put forward as just that -- opinions that others may accept or dismiss. You, on the other hand consistently insist that anyone who is seriously disagreeing with you "must" be scum. That, to me seems pretty scummy.

[PLAYER57832]

Also, I am definitely not the only one who has expressed frustration with the length of this game.

[Metsfanmax]

Same as others have expressed from the start. Basically, it seemed odd that Ib would be right off given info to hammer HotShot, then it seems like IB has been the one to more or less intitiate the lynches that have actually suceeded, (but that may just be my perception).

You do not need to convince me; I probably made this argument the loudest out of anyone. The question is not whether there's reason to be suspicious of IB; it's whether he's the most suspicious person you can come up with right now.

IB has come up with good arguments, but they all seem to be arguments for attacking others rather than defense. The basic defense has been "I have been in on the votes" -- but that becomes a circular argument.

Well, we've only lynched one mafia so far, and IB was pretty late to the game on that one, which would have been a move to gain town credit if he thought the rish lynch was inevitable.

For the record, although I am still a bit suspicious of IB, he's not my main focus for the day. But you don't seem to be making the arguments I would be making if I were trying to build a case on him.

[AladdinSane]

Sory dis has taken a wile, but been busy adjusting to Manila and orso have compiled voting paterns on sevral playas (wil post after dis).

DJP Voting Pattern

D1: Hotshot (3P) – Turd on the wagen
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – sticky on TWR (Town), second vote on Storr (Town)
D3: Falko (Town) – Wun of just two votes (with Player) on Wing (Town)
D4: Wing (Town) – Secund on teh Wing wagen
D5: No linch – Only vote on Aladdin
D6: Rish (Mafia) – Dident vote

Notes: Was very keen to get Wing linched. If Mafia, mite have stayed orf teh Falko wagen sinse dat was obviously going to happen enyway. Was part of a groop trying to linch me on D5 and teh only wun to stay on it, efecktively wasting his vote and helping secure the no-linch. The only time he has negleckted to vote at orl was wen we linched scum. Add it up, it’s not screeming “Town”.

I've posted Player's voting patern erlier, but wen i was doing DJP's, teh similarities between teh two were striking, so i wanted to put dem up agin fer comparisen.

Player Voting Pattern
D1: HotShot (3P) – jumped on the HS vote post-hammer (was 12th with 11 required for lynch)
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – sticky vote on “no lynch”, and the other was teh only vote on CM. Wasted votes.
D3: Falko (Town) – one of only two (with DJP) to vote Wing, who later flipped Town.
D4: Wing (Town) – third on teh Wing wagon (and urging others to pile on)
D5: No lynch – Sixth on Deg (prob Town) wagen, after joining CM and DJP in a late attempt to get me linched.
D6: Rish (Mafia) – Second on Benga (prob Town) wagen.

Similarities Player/DJP votes:
1. Both claimed to be down wit the HS linch, but Player jumped on teh wagen too late.
2. Neither placed either D2 vote on WhatSausage
3. Both voted Wing on D3
4. Both were erly on teh Wing wagen on D4
5. Both voted me late in teh day, Player switched to Deg
6. Most telling, neither voted Rish on D6.

Scum pair? I dunno, it's not damming, but sertanly food fer thort.

[AladdinSane]

Sinse IB is under teh spotlite a bit atm:

IB Voting Patern

D1: Hotshot (3P) –Didn’t vote
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – Both votes on TWR (Town)
D3: Falko (Town) – Ninth on teh Falko wagen
D4: Wing (Town) – Forth on teh Wing wagen
D5: No linch – Forth on Deg (prob Town) wagen
D6: Rish (Mafia) – Sixth on wagen

I'm not seeing enyting hugely scumy hear, but dere are sum kwestjuns, sum of witch have awreddy been raised. Been on teh Falko and Wing linches isent inherently scumy, and IB dident seem to gung ho wit it as Player and DJP. IB was on teh wagen wit teh most chanse of sucsess on D5, and voted fer mafia Rish. Dat orl looks pritty sound.

Kwestjuns wood be why he dident vote HS wen he was teh wun providing teh damning info on him, and why not on the WhatSausage vote? (He's prob ansered dese but I don't have time to go look rite now).

Orl-in-orl, IB's voting patern dozent look tooo scumy too me, but dis is just wun considerashun to take into acount wen making an overorl asessment. I agree wit others, as I have sed before, dat I tink their is moor to IB than meets teh eye, but I dont know if it is scummy or not. I tink their are moor obvius targets to go after atm.

[AladdinSane]

And now teh wun I gess evrywun is most innerested in atm, /. Dis took a bit longer becorse I had to trorwl thru orl of D4:

/ (Slash) Voting Pattern

D1: Hotshot (3P) - / was firt on the wagon
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – Sticky on WhatSausage (3P), no second vote.
D3: Falko (Town) – Forth on teh Falko wagen
D4: Wing (Town) – Dident vote
D5: No linch – Only vote on Mets (?)
D6: Rish – Wun of only two votes on DJP

D1 and D2 seem sound, ortho why no secund vote D2? D3, been on teh Falko wagen is unnerstanabul. D4 was /'s grate disapeering act. D5 wasted vote on Mets. Kind of weerd how he atackked Mets out of teh blue, then just dropped it witout eggsplanashun. Dident vote fer Rish.

Overorl, I'd say a similar level of scuminess to Player and DJP, based solely on voting patern. If Mets terns out to be scum, I guess /'s D5 vote will look good.

[AladdinSane]

And now, Mets:

Mets Voting Pattern

D1: Hotshot (3P) – Didn’t vote
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – Sticky vote on WhatSausage (3P), no secund vote
D3: Falko (Town) – Sixth on teh Falko wagen
D4: Wing (Town) – Eigth on teh Wing wagen
D5: No linch – Firt on Deg (prob Town) wagen
D6: Rish (Mafia) – Forth on wagen

Dat ackshually looks pritty good to me. Fare enuff not to votre HS given orl teh unsertanty about IB's info. Ditto lack of clarity with WhatSausage. Falko and Wing were popular linches, so we can't hold dat aginst him. He was firt on teh Deg wagen on D5, witch was teh wagen dat came closest to sucseeding (L-1). Voted fer mafia Rish.

Two ways of looking at dis: Either it's qwite a Towny patern, or its a clever Mafia patern - but I gess you can say teh same ting about enywun whose vote pattern looks okay. Wile mets obviusly cant be cleered at dis point, I tink I wood put him in teh "less likely to be scum" basket fer now, based on dis.

[AladdinSane]

CM Voting patern:

D1: Hotshot (3P) – Didn’t vote
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – Sticky on TWR (Town), no second vote
D3: Falko (Town) – Tenth on teh Falko wagen
D4: Wing (Town) - Voted Player (?)
D5: No linch – Forth on Benga (prob Town) wagen
D6: Rish (Mafia) – Firt on Benga (prob Town) wagen

I'm 50/50 hear. D1, D2 efferts were okay, unnerstannabul to vote Flako D3. Was on teh Wing linch D4 but dropped off wen it look to be hapening too fast, and voted Player, who was urging on teh Wing linch. D5, teh Benga wagon was a reesonabul alternative to teh Deg wagen - sinse Deg is prob Town, Mafia wood have had no reeson to get in teh way of a Deg linch, so dis looks fine to me. Main stiking point fer me is day he wasent on teh Rish linch, but Benga was a reesonabul aternative. Cood be an honest mistake or cood be Mafia trying to avoid a Rish linch.

So, yeh. Not as scummy as Player - DJP - /, but maybe a littul more scummy than IB and Mets.

[AladdinSane]

And finorly, me:

Aladdin Voting patern:

D1: Hotshot (3P) – Hamered (11th)
D2: WhatSausage (3P) – Sticky vote on Skoffin (Town), second vote on Storr (Town)
D3: Falko (Town) – Hamered (eleventh on teh Falko wagen)
D4: Wing (Town) – Ninth on teh Wing wagen
D5: No linch – Therd on Benga (prob Town) wagen
D6: Rish (Mafia) – Fifth on wagen

I tink D1 is fine. D2 i did ofer to switch my vote to WS if it was needed to hamer; in teh event, my vote wazent needed. D3 and D4 - popular linches. D5 started out on Mitch, then switched briefly to Deg. Based on my feeling Deg was prob Town, switched to the next best alternative, Benga. Was on teh Rish vote.

Obviusly I'm biased, but dat doesn't look too bad to me.


Overorl, I tink Player and DJP, and prob / come out looking most suspect frum dis eggzersize.

[AladdinSane]

But, I am not truly convinced about anyone right now, so... I am looking for what others say.

Can't you see dat if evrywun took dat aproach, teh game wood just degenrate intoa big cerkul jerk? You need to cum up wit yer own independent analisys and take a stand - otherwise you are useless to Town even if you are Town.

I can unnerstand IB's anoyence wit you. I'm not qwite reddy to vote you yet but, orl things considered, yer at or neer teh top of my list.

[AladdinSane]

I want to see if Player keeps her OMGUS vote on IB, or switches it to me LOL.

[PLAYER57832]

A lot of people have changed votes, where do we stand now? And what was the deadline again? (sorry, but short of time.. trying to do what I can in the time I have)

[PLAYER57832]

sorry for the multiple posts, but we cannot edit, after all...

I will keep my vote for now, but I think the big thing is to get a vote, any vote now. '
I am not convinced by the voting pattern, because I don't think we have been making the best votes. In other words, those that went in early might actually be the scum, rather than the reverse, as the above analysis are assuming.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

A lot of people have changed votes, where do we stand now? And what was the deadline again? (sorry, but short of time.. trying to do what I can in the time I have)

23rd. Vote count tomorrow

[madmitch]

@ Aladdin you left me out, that hurt my feelings ,don't I have a say ? will I not bleed if you cut me?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

/ (1) - Catchers,
DJ (2) - /, IB
Benga(1) - Mitch
Players (1) - Rizky,
IB (2) - DjPat, Players

12 Alive, 7 to lynch

deadline 23/03/16 at 14:00 CC Time

[rizky_biznezz]

Thanks for breaking down the votes Aladdin I have been trying to get to them to take a look but I just haven't had chance.. Only 2 days to go now and the votes are all over the place so where we at guys?

[Iron Butterfly]

Thanks for breaking down the votes Aladdin I have been trying to get to them to take a look but I just haven't had chance.. Only 2 days to go now and the votes are all over the place so where we at guys?

Dj is the best lynch. As I stated earlier there are several who I believe are Town. Alladin is Town in my book and so is TWR. Benga and You. I am Town.I have been checked not once but twice for having a gun and blood on my hands. I also got HS lynched. I have had more to prove I am Town then anyone alive regardless what you think. so do with it what you will.

Mets and / can go either way for me. There skills fall into line with being almost useless unless real lucky. Mad inventers and insane cops negated the real cops so we questioned. Thats how I see the majority of roles this game. BUT I tend to feel they are telling the truth.

Outside the people I listed is the scum...now if I made a mistake in my list the majority of scum will still be outside the list.

Mitch your vote on Benga does not help Town. I ask you vote DJ

[madmitch]

UNVOTE VOTE DJ

[AladdinSane]

@ Aladdin you left me out, that hurt my feelings ,don't I have a say ? will I not bleed if you cut me?

LOL, sory Mitch but where Mafia-hunting, and we don't have time to linch a likely 3P jester / serviver. Teh main rationarl for linching you on D5 dozent apply now dat teh two inventers are ded and we have at leest parshal resalushun of teh alinement-definer saga. I only analised teh votes of linchabul playas. If you want to be linchabul, just vote anti-Town and I'm shore we can fit you in to our schedule at sum point.

It's looking moor and moor like you are a serviver, tho. If you can win wit Town, I don't have a pomplem wit it. "If".