CC is declining again!

hmsps · Post by **hmsps** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:44 am

Said it once will say it again, a great deal of 1 v 1 games are decided mainly by the unbalanced dice. ITs no fun playing speed games 1 v 1 anymore the dice streaks just spoil it. Give us even dice where tactics matter

ConfederateSS · Post by **ConfederateSS** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:25 pm

ConfederateSS wrote:------YEAH...IN OTHER GAMES ..WE CAN NOW PLAY RISK... GOOD THING...I can't remember why I have been here all these years...WHEW! ...I can now play RISK....TAKE THAT CLASSIC MAP(ART/SHAPES)... ...Other maps along the same line... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...I can see the line at the sign up page...It goes around the block and for miles and miles...

--------I GUESS NO ONE READ THIS POST ON Aug.26th...

YEAH! LETS ALL PLAY SOME RISK.....OR WE CAN PLAY SOME RISK...I'M GUESSING GO FISH WAS OUT OF THE QUESTION...

ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:38 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo · Post by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:29 pm

Army of GOD wrote:7933

Its still going up....

ch0rn · Post by **ch0rn** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:54 pm

hmsps wrote:Said it once will say it again, a great deal of 1 v 1 games are decided mainly by the unbalanced dice. ITs no fun playing speed games 1 v 1 anymore the dice streaks just spoil it. Give us even dice where tactics matter

The dice are even. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. Pull out a Risk board and play on your kitchen table.. Sometimes you will have good dice, sometimes you will have bad dice.

Post by **Dukasaur** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:09 pm

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:7933
Its still going up....

Here's hoping. Have been burned by short-lived rallies in late August before. We'll see if it keeps up.

Metsfanmax · Post by **Metsfanmax** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:44 pm

Is any mod interested in editing Pirlo's original post and linking to my chart? That way it would be easy to find.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:50 pm

Pirlo wrote:When I look at the number of online users, I see it's like only 60% of the number I used to find a year ago.

This indicates CC is not even stable and non-growing; rather, it's declining!

17315 are the current users. I think they used to be +20.000 last year.

this is way back from 2011... 17K seems like a dream...-Jésus noir

Post by **Dukasaur** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:21 am

Metsfanmax wrote:Is any mod interested in editing Pirlo's original post and linking to my chart? That way it would be easy to find.

I'm not completely opposed to the idea. If Pirlo was one of those long-vanished members that we're pretty sure isn't coming back, I would do it. However, Pirlo still makes an appearance every now and then, so I don't think he qualifies as vanished. I think you should write to him and ask his permission before we edit his post.

In the meantime, it wouldn't hurt to just repost the link every month or two.

How often are you updating the data?

jmyork82 · Post by **jmyork82** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:41 am

Ok, so we answered the question about the decline.

New question, what can WE do as ourselves to improve this sight? Not mod's, not admins, not BW....US.

The Owens and the Caffeines and the AOG's, hmsps, Confederate, ect..... How can we improve this sight?

Why do people come to this sight? The ones that are here, why are we here? Why are we playing this game and what can we do to improve the experience of others to stay on this sight as well as bring on new members?

....new discussion topic?

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:06 pm

jmyork82 wrote:Ok, so we answered the question about the decline.

New question, what can WE do as ourselves to improve this sight? Not mod's, not admins, not BW....US.

The Owens and the Caffeines and the AOG's, hmsps, Confederate, ect..... How can we improve this sight?

Why do people come to this sight? The ones that are here, why are we here? Why are we playing this game and what can we do to improve the experience of others to stay on this sight as well as bring on new members?

....new discussion topic?

there is already a thread:
Subject: What can be done to reverse the decline?

also, if you go through this thread, there are tons of of ideas concerning your quirie... literally, you asked a question that is also being answered in this very thread... i am befuddled, but enjoy your enthusiasim... way to stay abreast of late breaking developments... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

Butters1919 · Post by **Butters1919** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:14 pm

owenshooter wrote:also, if you go through this thread, there are tons of of ideas concerning your quirie... literally, you asked a question that is also being answered in this very thread... i am befuddled, but enjoy your enthusiasim... way to stay abreast of late breaking developments... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

This thread is 100 pages deep. I don't think many people have the time or desire to sift through that many posts.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:31 pm

Butters1919 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:also, if you go through this thread, there are tons of of ideas concerning your quirie... literally, you asked a question that is also being answered in this very thread... i am befuddled, but enjoy your enthusiasim... way to stay abreast of late breaking developments... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir
This thread is 100 pages deep. I don't think many people have the time or desire to sift through that many posts.

sooo, i'm supposed to make some cliff notes for him? he's been a member since '09... i took a little offense to that post... to me, it implied that we are just bitching and tearing down... that isn't the case.. there are many well thought out ideas and solutions in this thread... if someone wants to do this dude's homework for him, that's cool, i'm just not that guy... thus, i gave him the redux thread about the same thing he asked in his post... regardless, this thread is dense with lots of good ideas, not just criticism...-Jésus noir

jmyork82 · Post by **jmyork82** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:00 pm

owenshooter wrote:
jmyork82 wrote:Ok, so we answered the question about the decline.

New question, what can WE do as ourselves to improve this sight? Not mod's, not admins, not BW....US.

The Owens and the Caffeines and the AOG's, hmsps, Confederate, ect..... How can we improve this sight?

Why do people come to this sight? The ones that are here, why are we here? Why are we playing this game and what can we do to improve the experience of others to stay on this sight as well as bring on new members?

....new discussion topic?
there is already a thread:
Subject: What can be done to reverse the decline?

also, if you go through this thread, there are tons of of ideas concerning your quirie... literally, you asked a question that is also being answered in this very thread... i am befuddled, but enjoy your enthusiasim... way to stay abreast of late breaking developments... the black jesus is amused...-Jésus noir

lol, I appreciate the link to the thread. I will check to see how far that rabbit hole goes.

This thread just seems depressing because of the topic. It's probably because I really enjoy what this site has to offer and want to see it grow as opposed to decline. I know everybody here feels the same. From just skimming, it does come off as tearing down, but you're right, I have some homework to do. There is only so much forum I can absorb in one sitting.

Cheers Black Jesus!

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:13 pm

jmyork82 wrote:Cheers Black Jesus!

the black jesus has given you great dice for the next 18.4 hours... i think i like you...-Jésus noir

jmyork82 · Post by **jmyork82** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:20 pm

owenshooter wrote:
jmyork82 wrote:Cheers Black Jesus!
the black jesus has given you great dice for the next 18.4 hours... i think i like you...-Jésus noir

Sweet!! Time to go start some 8 player speed freestyle games while I still have time!!!

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:36 pm

jmyork82 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
jmyork82 wrote:Cheers Black Jesus!
the black jesus has given you great dice for the next 18.4 hours... i think i like you...-Jésus noir
Sweet!! Time to go start some 8 player speed freestyle games while I still have time!!!

ohhhh!!! did you play freestyle when it was huge?!! part of the suggestions in here deal with restoring the freestyle rules and trying to bring back that community that fled the site over night!!!
what do you think of that?-Jn

jmyork82 · Post by **jmyork82** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:52 pm

i played a couple for the hell of it way back when, but i stayed away for the most part. I just got my ass kicked since I was still fresh to the site. I did watch a lot of those games though. They were incredibly entertaining!

I pop in to that topic from time to time to see whats going on though. To be honest, I dont know what the rule change was that destroyed the dynamic. What did they do exactly to kill that style?

Butters1919 · Post by **Butters1919** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:38 pm

owenshooter wrote:
Butters1919 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:sooo, i'm supposed to make some cliff notes for him? he's been a member since '09...

I don't think he asked you to do that, nor did anyone else… I was only pointing out the fact that someone may not want to dig through 100 pages of posts. Regardless, everyone is getting along, so no worries!

ConfederateSS · Post by **ConfederateSS** » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:18 pm

jmyork82 wrote:Ok, so we answered the question about the decline.

New question, How can we improve this sight?

----If you have been reading this thread on a regular basis. You would have seen some turn around ideas. As well,as The High Command.People,don't even want new things. People only ask,that somethings that were changed. Be put back. Among some other ideas to improve the site. But we get new advances,such as TIC TAC TOE. Yes, that will draw in the masses. Maybe just try and look at what brought people here in the first place. Before all the GREAT CHANGES TO MOVE FORWARD...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
----As for freestyle....I never played after my bronze medal. Was it that it went from 24 hours to 12 hours ,or something,after the first person took their turn in a round? I remember one player, joking he would put a rock on his keyboard. So after the first person of a round took their turn,it would be his...

ConfederateSS · Post by **ConfederateSS** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:48 pm

-----Well jmyork82... I asked a question in another thread... This is the direction C.C. is heading in...
--------Nobody expects Tic Tac Toe to take the world by storm. As for Conquer and other games. There's NO EFFORT TO PUBLICIZE THEM. Because they are underwhelming. All that is needed is for THE FEW PEOPLE WHO STUMBLE UPON THEM TO PLAY A LITTLE BIT,so BW gets some feed back.
--------THERE'S NO NEED TO PUSH. A SLOW TRICKLE OF PEOPLE EXPLORING THEM IS PERFECTLY ADEQUATE FOR NOW.
----Alright, so would that be the few 8,000(rounded off) active members we have left. I thought the idea to move forward. Was to increase C.C. numbers to say...20k,30k? WHY WOULD THE HIGH COMMAND WANT TO PUBLICIZE ANYTHING THAT WOULD BRING IN NEW PEOPLE.
----HERE IS ONE MEMBER'S FEED BACK...I WILL NEVER PLAY OTHER GAMES...I AM HERE TO PLAY RISK...RISK...RISK...Sure I guess if other games are here for people to explore. That is o.k. also...HOW IS SOMEONE NEW CHECKING OUT THE HOME PAGE GOING TO STUMBLE UPON THIS GREAT IDEA?

----OR is torturing the 8,000 of the active members,with settings,advanced maps, secret changes... The better option? What if someone took a look at what made C.C. a thriving community OH!,so many years ago? I WONDER

ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)....

BrutalBob · Post by **BrutalBob** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:33 am

hmsps wrote:Said it once will say it again, a great deal of 1 v 1 games are decided mainly by the unbalanced dice. ITs no fun playing speed games 1 v 1 anymore the dice streaks just spoil it. Give us even dice where tactics matter

I agree. I am going to pack it in again here soon because of the ridiculously long streaks of bad dice ruining numerous games. I know everyone says its random but in real life these patterns are unheard of.

I did some calculations and losing 3v1 five times in a row should happen about 4 in 1000, but I see this every second night. And 3v2 37% chance to kill 2, 70% to kill 2 or 1, but I get such long spells of lose, lose, lose. If I got 50-50 I would be ok.

I know statistically it all evens out, I can see my dice stats- but it ruins a whole game when at the start you lose 2 on the first 6 rolls in a row- theoretically a statistical oddity but in reality a common event.

To balance it up I have seen a few really unlikely winning streaks, but this is not the point. Then some other guy is annoyed because of my really lucky streak. Its not right.

jmyork82 · Post by **jmyork82** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:36 pm

Risk was never meant to be played as a 1v1 kind of game. I believe there is an advantage that goes to the attacker because of the third dice. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). Point being, if you play 1v1 games as an accurate measure of competition in this game, you will be sorely disappointed. Polymorphic games should balance dice out on a 1v1. Even though this is not the topic for the discussion, dice issues is a pointless discussion. I have played enough CC to know that bad dice, as well as good dice is a part of the game. Even when I play a real game of risk, the dice will love you or f*ck you at any given moment. Dice complaints will always exist because of people's personalities, but at the end of the day, it is what it is.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:22 am

UI redesign is the biggest thing imo. Everything else is secondary.

The site looks like it was designed 10 years ago (protip: it actually was)

BrutalBob · Post by **BrutalBob** » Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:24 am

Army of GOD wrote:UI redesign is the biggest thing imo. Everything else is secondary.

The site looks like it was designed 10 years ago (protip: it actually was)

I joined 8 years ago and remember thinking it was sort of crap then.

As little bits have been tacked on it has exacerbated the problem

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