Political Mafia -- Liberals Win

[Endgame422]

Dakky you just like dying D1.
You wanna hardline on lynching the dayvig?
He will kill someone voting against him for sure in the attempt to survive.
Basically lynching epi means he will kill someone random and claimless and we learn 0.

[dazza2008]

I don't see whatis learnt from lynching a third party survivor. Unless we think he is lying. If he is what he says he is then we learn nothing from the vote pattern etc.

[madmitch]

can,t make any sense of things,just like dealing with the real government , have we got a speaker yet? are we going separate into groups? are voting to hang someone or what?

[dakky21]

Dakky you just like dying D1.
You wanna hardline on lynching the dayvig?
He will kill someone voting against him for sure in the attempt to survive.
Basically lynching epi means he will kill someone random and claimless and we learn 0.

You are right. If he is really dayvig, he will probably kill someone on his tail.
So what do you suggest? Leave him to make a day kill on someone from parties in the endgame and possibly make himself winner, or lynch him and have pure left vs right fight?
I'm undecided now and so will

unvote epi

[Streaker]

Just saying that I'm keeping up with the game but no time for much more
I will only use speaker power when discussion slows down

[Endgame422]

No sense in killing epi,hes a valuable part of the democratic process,3rd party players are the "swingers"
I just want an alignment claim from both sides of the aisle before the vote is called.
Otherwise whoever gets killed today will essentially be at random.

[Epitaph1]

Yeah, if you guys vote for me, I have nothing to lose and will just kill one of the people voting for me--probably one of the first since it will demonstrate my power early. You gain no information, like others have said. So, let's make a deal instead.

I'm Unvoting Epi for obvious reasons.

16 Players and equal party size means there's at least one more 3rd party member.

I find it higly unlikely this is a game of 7/7/2

The bandwagon on Epi is a prime example of blood in the water. There are shy Sharks and agressive Sharks. Every shark has its goal. Epis crime was trying to stimulate discussion. I find it ludicous that people are crying foul over role fishing when we all know damn well that our main goal is to find out who is who. Unlike mafia, where the goal is to scum hunt, the goal here is to have ones party be lasrt party standing.

So lets cut the crap about Epi role fishing...you friggin hypocrites. Ohh wait we are politicians it's second nature.

The first person who really jumped out for Epis blood has been Tonk. He stood back and pounded Epi for role fishing.

I ask Tonka this question. "How does one find out players roles for the betterment of their party KNOWING this is not a standard mafia game?" Do we all sit around with our thumbs up our arse waiting for night time in hopes that peoples night action may offer clues?

As far as some thinking the Streaker vote may hold clues...again....I think the majority wanted someone other then themselves to see what it was all about. My hats off to Streaker for carrying the Mantle not knowing where it will take him.
But if you want blood for role fishing why not James Ker for trying to start a band wagon to get Streaker to claim.

Vote Jamesker

Thank you, IB. I wish you were around during that wagon.

My questioning about the speaker votes was to see if we could find any connections. I find it hard to believe no one in this game is connected or at least knows information about another player. It would just seem kind of dumb if there isn't some semblance of a mafia or group trying to stage a coup or something like that.

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Looking back at my wagon.

Streaker - first to vote, based on my "rolefishing" and choosing to abstain - http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4701095

BG - 2nd to vote, claims most people aren't satisfied with my play during the speaker phase

tonka - says I'm driving towards unhelpful or unproductive discussion, wtf. Doesn't vote. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4701225

HotShot - 3rd vote, same reasoning as Streaker - http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4701318

AoG - 4th vote, pure bandwagon. Doesn't even give a reason other than other people are voting for me. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4701336

NoS - 5th vote, also very bandwagony. States that he doesn't like my play. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p4701384

/ - Makes a more unique argument than everyone else on the wagon. I'll give him that. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p4701492

JamesKer - terrible bandwagon. It's like he wasn't even reading the game. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p4701499

dakky - Votes and asks for an alignment claim right after I claimed. Either didn't want to re-write his post when I fastposted him or skimmed my post. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p4701565


So, tonka never actually voted for me despite the accusation about rolefishing--might be pulling a Pontias Pilate on us, idk. Of the votes, AoG, NoS, JamesKer, and dakky struck me as the weakest. JamesKer's votes are really strange--votes for Streaker first to keep him honest and then swings over to me for allegedly going after both Streaker and IB while failing to defend myself. I argued with Streaker, but I wasn't making a case that he should be lynched. I was defending my statements 'til I was blue in the face, so I don't get his remark about not making a defense.

AoG was contributing more about the setup during that time but his opinion after my claim was still that I will be good lynch fodder on D1. I'm curious if he still feels the same way now that we've discussed it more.

So, some people have soft claimed 1 of the 2 main parties. Shall we choose the scummiest among them? If there is a mafia-like faction, I doubt it's among those who have soft claimed 1 of the big 2. We're either going to be testing everyone's allegiance by putting those in the big parties in the spotlight or going after scumlike folk.

If we want to go with people from big parties, I propose AoG first.

If we want to go after scummy people, I'd do either NoS or JamesKer. This is a fine gem from NoS:

I will probably try to be more active day 2, this is just boring as heck honestly as I cant see us getting anywhere until we lynch someone. Epi's the best option here because of his jump of the gun trying to role fish and then backing off in like his next post.

r u serious?

tl; dr version

AoG, NoS, JamesKer, and dakky are the weakest votes on my wagon. I'd go with AoG or NoS first.

Vote NoS for a bandwagon vote and much less participation than AoG.

[Army of GOD]

Normal scumtells won't give us anything in this game if my guess about the setup is correct. Because there isn't any scum. There are two ewual parties and some third parties


So our options are lynch epi and he kills someone at random or lynch someone else at random...I'd rather take my options with the first option, at least we get rid of a claimed third party. I don't really believe the survivor claim...

[Endgame422]

Cant agree AoG,although i do agree with how you think this is set-up.
Id rather have epi as an ally then as a corpse.
If hes lying and has some ulterior motives he can be lynched pretty much whenever,hes out in the open and without a party to back him up short of making a deal.

[Army of GOD]

Cant agree AoG,although i do agree with how you think this is set-up.
Id rather have epi as an ally then as a corpse.
If hes lying and has some ulterior motives he can be lynched pretty much whenever,hes out in the open and without a party to back him up short of making a deal.

Why wait? If he has a different motive I don't want to wait until he acts on it


Third party lynch is a low risk move right now imo

[Endgame422]

Low risk/low reward.
We lynch epi,he shoots either you or dakky probably and tomorrow we know what?
Only that whichever party you/dakky belongs to is down a vote.

[Army of GOD]

Low risk/low reward.
We lynch epi,he shoots either you or dakky probably and tomorrow we know what?
Only that whichever party you/dakky belongs to is down a vote.

So what's the alternative? We put heat and someone claims a major party. Now, one of the sides is disadvantaged because of their members is out in the open

I don't want that to happen to my side.

[Endgame422]

Plan A: 1 claim from both major parties,3rd party basically decides who gets lynched,with epi hopefully backing my party.
Plan B: Epi agrees to back me,i claim my party and that my party has the advantage and everyone claims the same party as i did to avoid being lynched and we play it traditional mafia style with some people trying to lie about alignment.
Plan C: Lynch someone based on participation and hope for the best
Plan D:AoGs plan

[JamesKer1]

Plan B: Epi agrees to back me,i claim my party and that my party has the advantage and everyone claims the same party as i did to avoid being lynched and we play it traditional mafia style with some people trying to lie about alignment.

I like this plan.

[Ragian]

I don't agree with the "case" on epi so I'm not going to vote for him at this point. Some seem to push him for rolefishing which I kind of see how he was going towards, but I think it was more a case of "what would be the smartest thing to do in this situation" rather than "I need to know where the good PRs are". I think it's somewhat weird that some of those voting for epi are saying that alignment, not roles is of importance. By that logic, rolefishing becomes irrelevant.

I'm Unvoting Epi for obvious reasons.

16 Players and equal party size means there's at least one more 3rd party member.

So lets cut the crap about Epi role fishing...you friggin hypocrites. Ohh wait we are politicians it's second nature.

Thank you, IB. I wish you were around during that wagon.

Where's the applause for me?

*sulks in corner*

Anyway, I also see that epi is suspicious of NoSurvivors. I'm going to give him the rest of the weekend to decide if he wants to play. Otherwise, as mentioned, he gets my vote too.

[Endgame422]

Im ok with plan B.
This one still relies on epi(or other 3rd party) agreeing to play for my party in exchange for not being killed.
If we want to go this route you 3rd party types ought to come out and say who you are sooner then later.
Best chance of survival is if 3rd party plays trying to get a win for my party(which essentially becomes town)
Is this the route we want to go?

[dakky21]

Yeah, if you guys vote for me, I have nothing to lose and will just kill one of the people voting for me--probably one of the first since it will demonstrate my power early. You gain no information, like others have said. So, let's make a deal instead.

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dakky - Votes and asks for an alignment claim right after I claimed. Either didn't want to re-write his post when I fastposted him or skimmed my post. http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p4701565

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AoG, NoS, JamesKer, and dakky are the weakest votes on my wagon. I'd go with AoG or NoS first.

First of all, check the posting time of yours and mine post. Same minute. I clicked send and seen you wrote something and didn't read it.

BTW You're playing 3rd party as you should. But if I am correct and there are two major parties, your vote can make a difference, and you can balance the game until there are few people left and then you can command how the game will finish by having the ability to day kill. Otherwise, if you side with a party as Endgame said, you will end lynched for sure, as the opposing party will be too strong.

Plan A: 1 claim from both major parties,3rd party basically decides who gets lynched,with epi hopefully backing my party.
Plan B: Epi agrees to back me,i claim my party and that my party has the advantage and everyone claims the same party as i did to avoid being lynched and we play it traditional mafia style with some people trying to lie about alignment.

In both plans you will have both parties claims, and some people may even vote for their own party member to make confusion. So we won't learn much anyway.

Plan C... somehow I like it the most, but I'm afraid it could be a member from my party.
AoG's plan D.... put enough heat and you'll end with 2 big party claims, people won't vote for them or opposing members will, you will know who is what day one. We will lynch each other each day with the help of 3rd party and 3rd party wins.

That being said, I am really not sure how we want to play this game.

Im ok with plan B.
This one still relies on epi(or other 3rd party) agreeing to play for my party in exchange for not being killed.
If we want to go this route you 3rd party types ought to come out and say who you are sooner then later.
Best chance of survival is if 3rd party plays trying to get a win for my party(which essentially becomes town)
Is this the route we want to go?

And then this comes... maybe you and I are in the same party, but I wouldn't risk taking that chance and if Epi and other 3rd parties even agree to make a truce, how would you pick who to lynch? Unless you know your party members or you are a 3rd party yourself....?

[NoSurvivors]

I'll read up when I'm home-- just camping for a few days. Be back here in a few hours

[Endgame422]

Dakky if i claim,you will know for sure if we are the same party ot not.
Anyone who votes to lynch me will be fairly obviously the other party/3rd party.

[Iron Butterfly]

Normal scumtells won't give us anything in this game if my guess about the setup is correct. Because there isn't any scum. There are two ewual parties and some third parties


So our options are lynch epi and he kills someone at random or lynch someone else at random...I'd rather take my options with the first option, at least we get rid of a claimed third party. I don't really believe the survivor claim...

LOL wouldn"t it be funny if we had some Anarchists?? They would make a lovely faction akin to mafia. So please spare us the theory craft. None of us have any idea until we find out.

No offense AoG but your statement makes lovely cover for those who may be against the status quo "as we think it may be"

[dakky21]

Dakky if i claim,you will know for sure if we are the same party ot not.
Anyone who votes to lynch me will be fairly obviously the other party/3rd party.

That's exactly what I am trying to say.... if you claim, people won't vote you if you are the same party as them, --- unless you're going to be lynched anyway --- so people can see all voted for you and think they're opposite party... if it is 6/6/4 and you get 11 votes, we wouldn't learn anything from you (or anyone). That's why I said lynching 3rd party Day One might be the best option if you intend to win with your party. Anyone able to mess with results and/or day kill should be lynched as soon as possible.

While 3rd parties are alive, less chance the main parties have.

LOL wouldn"t it be funny if we had some Anarchists?? They would make a lovely faction akin to mafia. So please spare us the theory craft. None of us have any idea until we find out.

No offense AoG but your statement makes lovely cover for those who may be against the status quo "as we think it may be"

For some reason I think AoG is making a valid point - there are probably two big parties and few 3rd parties. Maybe even an Anarchist. And most probably there is no scum/mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

Dakky if i claim,you will know for sure if we are the same party ot not.
Anyone who votes to lynch me will be fairly obviously the other party/3rd party.

politicians sometimes eat their own for the benefit of themselves and their agendas. This idea that those who vote for a lynch of a certain party member seems naive. You making this bold move so early in the game just strikes me as...well several words come to mind.

[Endgame422]

Ok IB.
What do you think we should do instead?

[dakky21]

Ok IB.
What do you think we should do instead?

As I said before, if my assumption is correct (6/6/4), then there is no scum/mafia, just 3 sides fighting to prevail. If that is the case, the game will get weird really soon.
If I am correct (and it makes sense?), major parties need to collaborate with 3rd parties, but that doesn't make sense for 3rd parties as they will get lynched in endgame, unless they kill one from the party which they collaborate with. That can lead to 1-1 or 2-0 kill.

If we have 2 people claim left/right parties, and if we kill all 3rd parties, we would have a tie and the game would never end.

So I believe we should try to get someone else to claim. The problem is I don't know who, because if we vote on inactivity, we may not get answers before lynch.

[dazza2008]

I don't get your points on the third party players. They can win with anyone so why will they be lynched late on and why does them being there make it harder for a party to win?