Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[NoSurvivors]

nos whats your card

For real I've claimed like 3 times. Lol 9 of rain

Also first colour (your number and suit) = colour that your suit is (rain = blue, give = yellow etc).
Second colour = alignment.

That is my thinking. Could be wrong though. I'm blue blue, as my suit is rain. Wild guess.

[NoSurvivors]

nos whats your card

For real I've claimed like 3 times. Lol 9 of rain

Also first colour (your number and suit) = colour that your suit is (rain = blue, give = yellow etc).
Second colour = alignment.

That is my thinking. Could be wrong though. I'm blue blue, as my suit is rain. Wild guess.

EBWOP

2 of rain*

[Metsfanmax]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

cept when people use this thing called "reads" and "logic" Bus driver gave aogs night action to me. Thats the only thing that makes sense.

Yes, that clearly makes sense and is how the busdriver works in every other mafia game.

[Metsfanmax]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

Pretty clearly you trying to protect AoG.

If by "protect" you mean "not vote for just yet because we caught someone else lying" then yes, that is exactly what I am doing.

[NoSurvivors]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

Pretty clearly you trying to protect AoG.

If by "protect" you mean "not vote for just yet because we caught someone else lying" then yes, that is exactly what I am doing.

I don't think he's lying. I think your scum buddy AoG is lying.

OR perhaps they talked about this during the night and they're both scum trying to get one of them lynched, giving the other town cred.

[Army of GOD]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

Pretty clearly you trying to protect AoG.

If by "protect" you mean "not vote for just yet because we caught someone else lying" then yes, that is exactly what I am doing.

I don't think he's lying. I think your scum buddy AoG is lying.

OR perhaps they talked about this during the night and they're both scum trying to get one of them lynched, giving the other town cred.

so why do you think virus got a message saying Storr visited rish in the night?

[NoSurvivors]

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

If virus is to be trusted, we basically have direct evidence that Storr is lying. That doesn't mean AoG is clean but how can we avoid that info about Storr at this point? This pretty clearly puts either virus or Storr on the chopping block right now.

Pretty clearly you trying to protect AoG.

If by "protect" you mean "not vote for just yet because we caught someone else lying" then yes, that is exactly what I am doing.

I don't think he's lying. I think your scum buddy AoG is lying.

OR perhaps they talked about this during the night and they're both scum trying to get one of them lynched, giving the other town cred.

so why do you think virus got a message saying Storr visited rish in the night?

Virus got a message saying he got visited by storr because storr was bus driven by your other scum buddy dd (I visited virus N1 not him)

[Army of GOD]

how often does a bus driver bus visitors?

[Metsfanmax]

Virus got a message saying he got visited by storr because storr was bus driven by your other scum buddy dd (I visited virus N1 not him)

That is not how a busdriver works. Busdrivers affect any incoming actions; anything that was targeted at AoG would have gone to Storr, and vice versa. They don't affect outgoing actions. If AoG had been visiting rishaed, the busdriver wouldn't change that. Therefore we know that unless virus is lying or there is some unknown redirect ability no one has discussed, Storr visited rishaed.

[NoSurvivors]

Virus got a message saying he got visited by storr because storr was bus driven by your other scum buddy dd (I visited virus N1 not him)

That is not how a busdriver works. Busdrivers affect any incoming actions; anything that was targeted at AoG would have gone to Storr, and vice versa. They don't affect outgoing actions. If AoG had been visiting rishaed, the busdriver wouldn't change that. Therefore we know that unless virus is lying or there is some unknown redirect ability no one has discussed, Storr visited rishaed.

Ah I thought bus driver was different.

God this is confusing.

I have no reason to disbelieve virus.

[Metsfanmax]

God this is confusing.

Indeed. And there's other considerations too that people aren't discussing. Like, suppose dd and AoG are scum buddies. Then there's a legit motivation for him busdriving AoG to protect him. But why would he target Storr of all people, the one person who who was claimed to not be town? It would have made sense to redirect it to IB or virus or something, someone who was more likely to be town and therefore against mafia.

[StorrZerg]

did the mod confirm how bus driver works in this game? Because I couldn't get confirmation on other roles. ..

[virus90]

i havent asked.
why would i assume it would work different? think the mod would have seen the discussion going on the last 2 days and corrected it if need be.

[StorrZerg]

i havent asked.
why would i assume it would work different? think the mod would have seen the discussion going on the last 2 days and corrected it if need be.

Doubtful. try asking about shaman role. You get weird flavor.

It's a unique role he told me. What's to say that there isn't a role that fogged up the investigation, or that bus driver is different.

End result is, we don't know why I showed up, but I have no night action, and i beliyou to be truthful virus.

Aog claimed the visit you saw. Mets is also 100% mafia with his claim.

[DoomYoshi]

I cannot confirm or deny the existence of any role in this game, or how those roles may or may not work - even if they are dead already.

[rishaed]

This is going to be a long post so bear with me.

First off, STORR WHO IS YOU LYNCH TARGET?! This is the third time i'm asking today, and I already think I know the answer, but give it to me anyways.

Here are the scenarios I've come up with:
Starting with the worst:
Virus could be lying, we have 3 scum left and this is a gamble to win the game. In this case we still don't lynch virus because its not confirmed that he's lying.
I don't think its likely, but its possible and thats whats making this puzzle difficult.
Next Scenario:
Virus is telling the truth. This scenario is better, but I think its possible we have 2 separate scum groups of 2. In which case its not Lynch or Lose (much better we have today as leeway.) In this scenario, assuming virus's information is correct >Lynch Storr (almost confirmed scum), kill AoG in the night (his claim isn't adding up, and if Mets does have the bulletproof targeting him is worthless), if we haven't killed all scum lynch mets the next day, still haven't endgamed well....I'm not sure at that point.
Next Scenario: Virus is mistaken about his info, and storr isn't lying. Well this one is improbable so I'm not going to discuss it very much here.
Something else I realized is that AoG is the only one who has claimed to have visited Wing N1, when he died. Along with a few of the other things that don't add up this makes him even more lynch worthy. The problem that i've come to is one of numbers:
If scum have 2 and we lynch Aog (and he is a lyncher) than we lose 2 go down to 5, and if IB doesn't kill scum in the night we are endgamed.
Also due to the fact that there were 3 deaths night 1 and 2 deaths night 2, and nobody is taking responsibility for the TG/Wing deaths, I either suspect AoG tried to kill me and failed (lol), and is telling the truth about who he visited, or TG had a night action that killed himself.
Anyways, from the above roles i've claimed heres the course of action I would take today: Lynch Mets. we go down to 6 (if hes scum we are one closer to winning, but if not then scum= virus/storr/Aog), IB could be scum and lying to us, but i think he is the vig. Between the three kills on night one and the scum kill n2 then I am convinced he is town vig. If hes an SK well.... We lynch him after we get rid of scum. IB kills Storrs target if the target is AoG. If not I'll let him choose between the two. Storr becomes a survivor (if hes telling the truth). If Mets and AoG are scum, then we should Endgame assuming IB is not an SK or do not have 3 scum alive. We go down to 4, because of the night kill on either NoS/Virus/Storr/IB. If there are 3 scum alive right now its Lynch or Lose anyways.
Thoughts on these scenarios.

I agree. It is a little late for secretes Storr. Though I think he addressed it as he needs to "lynch" whom AoG must target.

There could also be the possibility that the "Boss" mafia may be able to effect investigative roles? Just a theory.I reread day two to see how Virus was posting after knowing his information day two. You can see before his claim he knows something and is trying to gain clarity on the situation,just by the way he is asking questions of Storr and his actions and who he may have visited. So Yeh I can believe Virus.

Now the numbers. I believe Town to be Rish,myself and Virus.

4 players left---Can both Storr and AoG be third party?= one or two killers.

2 players= NoS and Met

The point is can there really be three anti Town in the 7 of us?

I go back and fourth with Storr and AoG---to Storrs credit he has searched out scum and has seemed to be up front.Nothing is as it seems....I would not be surprised if mafia had some ability....we were talking about the water balloon and flavor,"all evidence disappeared" I have a very crappy memory so paraphrased. You get my point.

So... For lynch targets>Nightkill I think the three to hit right now are AoG, Mets, Storr. D1 Doc is a ballsy claim, but it could be given as a fake claim, however I'm more inclined to lynch out of the first three first, preferably Aog/Mets Kill the claimed "lyncher" that didn't get lynched in the night? Both of the lynchers have some very good reasons to be lynched at this point. But I think AoG is better because of claimed visit to Wing N1 (Night of Death).

[Iron Butterfly]

I will say this.

Several of you are good liars. At this point it is a guessing game as to who is who. BUT and I quote,

"This is an unofficial prized mafia game. The theme is Double Fanucci (which basically means it is unthemed). I have a custom made double fanucci deck that has some extra cards, so some roles may be surprising. It will be fairly standard, but may be unbalanced and/or have a few unusual roles. No Vanilla."

So far we have not seen any unusual roles except perhaps Rishaeds. We have seen Town shaman die. At this point anything is possible as far as I am concerned.

[Metsfanmax]

It's a unique role he told me. What's to say that there isn't a role that fogged up the investigation, or that bus driver is different.

We can make up these things all day long if we have a large enough imagination for it. The key point is that they are not very likely. Town is in a precarious position right now and cannot afford a mislynch based on poor reasoning. Our choice is between lynching two people who are claiming to not be town-aligned. Since we have pretty direct evidence that one of you is lying, I argue that this makes our choice today pretty solid. It is possible -- I guess -- that you are telling the truth, but it would be insane for us to take that gamble given the evidence virus gave us. This is just a question of good policy. If we are wrong, IB can kill AoG tonight and you all lynch me tomorrow if you really still think I'm scum. But right now we have to go with the highest probability of eliminating someone who is opposed to town's interests.

[rishaed]

It's a unique role he told me. What's to say that there isn't a role that fogged up the investigation, or that bus driver is different.

We can make up these things all day long if we have a large enough imagination for it. The key point is that they are not very likely. Town is in a precarious position right now and cannot afford a mislynch based on poor reasoning. Our choice is between lynching two people who are claiming to not be town-aligned. Since we have pretty direct evidence that one of you is lying, I argue that this makes our choice today pretty solid. It is possible -- I guess -- that you are telling the truth, but it would be insane for us to take that gamble given the evidence virus gave us. This is just a question of good policy. If we are wrong, IB can kill AoG tonight and you all lynch me tomorrow if you really still think I'm scum. But right now we have to go with the highest probability of eliminating someone who is opposed to town's interests.

See I have several reasons for not trusting you mets.
1.You have bent over backwards in trying to shove attention off of AoG today, even before the Virus claim.
2. Your role overlaps far too much with mine. It essentially has no point compared to mine, since i don't have x-shot i have immunity.
3.Your posts today have been pretty illogical to me and very strange from a town perspective.
4.I'm suspecting 2 scum teams of 2 with one having died. (Not confirmed just a suspicion.)
Virus-What thoughts do you have after thinking about things.

[Metsfanmax]

4.I'm suspecting 2 scum teams of 2 with one having died. (Not confirmed just a suspicion.)

Certainly possible, but if so I think you're on one of them. The "null" role has conveniently remained unconfirmed, whereas IB and virus have at least offered evidence that they are who say they are. If you want to have an argument about whether 1-shot bulletproof is less likely than someone who has a "null role" and yet is somehow still a member of the town, be my guest. It will be hilarious.

[Army of GOD]

Whoever defends Store is scummy in my opinion. He is confirmed for lying.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am tired of mucking around. vote storr

Maybe Storr is telling the truth maybe he is not. This is mafia and I think Storr has made a huge gambit on his part.

I have said this before in other games but it is always interesting re reading the game once several Town and mafia are dead. DD is an interesting read knowing he was mafia. He sheeps pretty much everyone and was a fairly easy read. He pretty much spread his suspicion around and yet never stuck to any of his convictions. His vote to me was like a road map of who is Town, which is another reason Rishead is Town.I have rethought NoS as well, he has been borderline through out the game for me specificly for the win con thing. Wing changed my mind when he stated his. I am pretty sure Doom did that to f*ck with us. They say the same thing using different nouns.BUT I degrees.

I have played with Storr for several games. This is the first game where he has actively defended me with vigor to the point of making a case of why I am Town. I had one vote on me and that was Hotshots.I was never in danger yet Storr kept coming to my defense. He has done this several times this game. He builds Town cred with individual players while at the same time pushing other Town. I really found him over the top AFTER Mtam was lynched. I suggest everyone reread Storr's posts right after Mtam was lynched. He starts lecturing us as to why we should not have lynched Mtam AFTER DD has hammered him. I find it odd he defends Mtams gameplay and tries for Town cred after the fact yet mentions NOTHING about the way DD snuck in for the hammer or for what DD thought was the hammer.

I say this because I noticed that Storr had never said anything negatively about DD case wise. He made one comment about the "Spy"comment DD made in relation to Wing on day one but never any criticism or mention of scum behavior. I think the big problem we had was that such a smoke screen was created by pressure on Town folk DD was able to skate under the radar.

I have come to this conclusion. Storr's main defense has been why would I claim 3rd party? DUH several reasons. One, he claimed early in the game not knowing what roles are out there. If a cop checks him they will get a reading not town and not mafia--IE third party read.= SK,third party kill faction. Also by claiming the role he did so early mafia would over look the survivor knowing he could win with them as well. He could have them(mafia,other faction)feeling safe for the short term. Why kill a survivor when you need to win by killing Town?

Personally I am leaning more toward SK type role. Why??? DD was so blatently scummy, yup hind sight is 20/20,yet Storr ignored it...reread for yourself,because if Storr is an SK role he needs as many folks as dead as possible and he does not want mafia dead...YET. The whole "I am pro Town" is a ruse. I was to stupid to realize it till this evening until I reread again.

Storr has played a wonderful game and Gambit. Playing an SK is thankless. I have played one in the past several times actually.It is a very had role to pull off to the end. He has played so well that even with our tracker catching him I am still like NAhhhhh cant be. We had one less kill night two because storr visited Rishead.

BOOM go the dinosaurs.

[rishaed]

Thanks for that IB. Your logic makes sense. I'll bite for today and trust your judgement here. Vote Storr

[StorrZerg]

how can you make it that i came to your defense with vigor, yet earlier in the game accuse me of double dipping please.

im 3rd party, do what i need to survive.

[StorrZerg]

I just read the end, im sk WHAT LOL