Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[strike wolf]

Town would have been better off with Wing being lynched but it makes no difference now. He died anyways.

I am in between Mets and Rishaed on this one . I dont think we should have all three of them claim asthen we might as well mass claim but there is likely scum on those remaining from the Hotshot wagon and I am far from against pressuring one of them.

Screw it. I need to reread day 1. Youll be unlikely to hear from me in this game until I have

[Army of GOD]

I don't know why rish is so proud of making people claim. It's kind of like "I'm hurting the town and am proud of it!"

[rishaed]

While it is somewhat Arbitrary, Like i said, The chances of scum being on the wagon is pretty high, and all of the town deaths came from that particular wagon. Lets say we have 2 scum on the wagon. then out of the remaining 5 we have a 40% chance of hitting scum. a 50% chance if Storr is telling the truth. We take the claim information and turn it into ways to improve our lynch chances. Likewise if we have 1 then the percentage drops, but we have probably 3 scum and or 2 sets of 2 (which is even worse for town), We had 4 WC's yesterday, 2 of which turned up town, 1 is third party, and the last questionable one is NoS's.
Why is it so hard to see that our claims need to be from you three today.
Give me a reason ( Other than it's being arbitrary.)

See any of my reasoning from D1. If town wants a lynch on D1, that means it's willing to accept the risk that it lynches a town member in the name of obtaining more information. That means if anything it is in town's interest that we ended up lynching him -- obviously we aren't happy that we got town and not mafia, but as I pointed out on several occasions that was always the most likely outcome. Now to turn around and say I'm potentially scum because I did the one thing that everyone was demanding we do, is absurd. You can't have your cake and eat it too on this issue.

LOL four town hadn't died yet. Also can you really say that it was so bad. It generated Discussion, even while doing it I still made 2 cases, which resulted in claims which is more than some of you can say. Of course I am not soley responsible, but I started them, and built them originally. Why are you so hostile now that I want your claim?

Wait so we forced a cop and a doctor to claim on D1 and you're proud of it? As if town as is now somehow better off because of the clusterfuck that was D1? Lol. Brilliant.

Since when was everyone demanding that we lynch hotshot? The main pushers for that were mtamb and storr, who ironically never looked at other cases the entire day. As for Mtamb I already knew of his buddy buddy relationship with storr.. but of the three remaining I didn't like him. What i don't get is why you are so surprised that i view almost everyone as potential scum. You are becoming less and less logical here.... If you noticed I said that most likely there were scum on the wagon, not that you were it. And we can narrow down off of hotshots pool easiest. Not only are all the deaths from there, but also 2 of our claims from a pool of eight. When you have 8 people out of 14, and theoretically 8/13 (I'm town and I can prove it rather easily) the likely hood that the 5 people not voting hotshot are all scum is quite low.

Also AoG the reason I'm proud of making people claims is that without that information town is screwed. Its not hurting town, its helping town. Mafia knows who each other are they don't need any more information for who to kill, town... well we are all bumbling in the dark, and the more information that comes to light the better off we are.

IB spit your information out. If you're gonna make a claim that you know how someone died, then don't leave us hanging

[mtamburini]

I may not want to lynch nos anymore. I still think he's acummy but not for the reasons I initially thought he was.

I don't think he's scummy, I just think he made a poor play. It happens. We shouldn't lose our cool because of it -- we have to be more careful than ever right now.

@mtam want to clear up why you don't want to lynch a player you think is scummy? Or maybe what those reasons are? Or even a better lynch target?

@Mets that's fair enough, although if we do lynch him and he flips scum... well there's a case to be made that you were protecting him. Also, same question I asked mtam, who is a better lynch?

I still do, but my initials reasons for wanting to have been proven false which makes me not want to JUMP on him as I did before I gained the information that I did

[mtamburini]

I may not want to lynch nos anymore. I still think he's acummy but not for the reasons I initially thought he was.

I don't think he's scummy, I just think he made a poor play. It happens. We shouldn't lose our cool because of it -- we have to be more careful than ever right now.

Why, I dont think there are any mafia at this point I dont really see anything that sticks out as people being alligned, it feels like the game where there was one SK and just a bunch of town fighting.

[mtamburini]

Vote Count
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot53, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing, dd515,NoSurvivors, Streaker, L-1
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Not Voting (2) - rishaed, Iron Butterfly,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4-6 hours (When I come back to the comp).

Adding Tails to Hotshot lynch...We had scum on both wagons (which doesn't say much obviously) So lets remove the dead.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, dd515,NoSurvivors L-1

And now the claimed survivor.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515
And now the claimed doc (He still could be scum)

metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515- I want your claims today.

Nah

[mtamburini]

Wouldnt be surprised to see an assassin this game( I think thats what it is called) where they kill people if they guess there role right

[Metsfanmax]

Since when was everyone demanding that we lynch hotshot?

Not everyone was demanding a hotshot lynch specifically, and even I wasn't super enthused about it by the end of the day, but almost everyone wanted a lynch.

What i don't get is why you are so surprised that i view almost everyone as potential scum.

That is not what surprises me. The problem is that if you randomly pick any group of 3 people who are still alive, and there are 3 mafia, there's a decent chance you'll get at least one mafia just by luck. There's no particular reason to expect that scum were more likely to be on the hotshot lynch than on any other lynch. (Unless you think they were stupid enough to all align themselves on the same case -- unlikely.)

I have half a mind to say that the reason you stayed away from the main cases in the end is because you're scum and because you wanted to make this argument from the start once D2 rolled around. What's not going to fly is picking a group of people, saying "there's probably scum here guys," and then asking them to claim. There's a reason we don't do that in any other game, and there's a reason we are not going to do it here either.

Also AoG the reason I'm proud of making people claims is that without that information town is screwed. Its not hurting town, its helping town. Mafia knows who each other are they don't need any more information for who to kill

Yes, I agree, mafia knowing who the cop and doc were N1 really didn't help them one bit.

IB spit your information out. If you're gonna make a claim that you know how someone died, then don't leave us hanging[/quote]

Agreed.

[Iron Butterfly]

No pun intended eh Rishaed?

I am 6 of Rain, Town-Vigilante

My thoughts on what we have first. With 10 players alive I do not believe we have two mafia factions. I was responsible for killing Streaker. He was scummy and on HS bandwagon. I thought about Tails as well but believed he would be on the hotseat anyways for the way he hammered. I was surprised he was killed, which leads me to believe he may have not been initial target.

What we have in game or how see the game numbers wise.

Rishaed.- He had no reason to save HS with his backing up of the "multi color". That made me believe Hotshot and affirmed why Hotshot believed there may have been two mafia factions. Up until that point I believed HS was scummy. In Regards to Rishaed, mafia would give as little information as possible, He had no reason to try and save HS if he were scum. One less player to get him closer to a win. His revelation swayed my vote.

Storr-- He has claimed survivor BUT he also has a win condition of killing a specific player? Correct me if I am wrong. He wins with either a mafia or Town win, which tells me the person he needs to kill is probably our third killer or at least third party. It does not make sense to have a win condition of Town or Mafia win while having to lynch/kill someone on the said team. Speculation on my part.

Don't forget we also have a Mason. A claimed Mason would narrow the pool BUT could be a detriment as well as it would signal to ThirdParty/Mafia who another Town is IF we have third party. It just makes mafias/thierd party job easier.

I do believe Storr is correct about Mafia splitting the votes.

Why I killed Streaker...Some would say it is stupid what I did, but I choose a calculated risk. I have argued in the past not to shoot day one BUT it is also 6 of 1 half dozen of another. I vigs job is to shoot someone scummy. If I guessed correct different ballgame. As the game wears on I we would be in same boat.

I believe DD and Tam are scummiest. DD is sheeping. He listed 6 different scum who he would lynch with no definitive reasoning other then, what others think best BUT he thinks NOS would be best lynch. Unless there is a counter claim to NOS he is the doc as far as I am concerned.

[strike wolf]

Sigh. And here I thought I had won people over with my streaker and knowing the win condition argument.

For the record, I dont think there is a true SK in this game (Or wing was misunderstood/translated his win condition). There is likely a third party killer. Maybe even two but this latter is unlikely. I moatly brought up the SK possibility to see who might bite and to get Storr to reveal a little bit more about his role that he might otherwise be reluctant to have revealed.

[StorrZerg]

@strike wolf.
obviously I'm hesitant on showing more. Since showing more will almost certainly give away what ever plan I have to win for myself.

Yet to be blunt, it's probably needed for me to fully claim. Partially out of survival, and because I well I like to town side, and i do have that option.

[rishaed]

Since when was everyone demanding that we lynch hotshot?

Not everyone was demanding a hotshot lynch specifically, and even I wasn't super enthused about it by the end of the day, but almost everyone wanted a lynch.

What i don't get is why you are so surprised that i view almost everyone as potential scum.

That is not what surprises me. The problem is that if you randomly pick any group of 3 people who are still alive, and there are 3 mafia, there's a decent chance you'll get at least one mafia just by luck. There's no particular reason to expect that scum were more likely to be on the hotshot lynch than on any other lynch. (Unless you think they were stupid enough to all align themselves on the same case -- unlikely.)

I have half a mind to say that the reason you stayed away from the main cases in the end is because you're scum and because you wanted to make this argument from the start once D2 rolled around. What's not going to fly is picking a group of people, saying "there's probably scum here guys," and then asking them to claim. There's a reason we don't do that in any other game, and there's a reason we are not going to do it here either.

Also AoG the reason I'm proud of making people claims is that without that information town is screwed. Its not hurting town, its helping town. Mafia knows who each other are they don't need any more information for who to kill

Yes, I agree, mafia knowing who the cop and doc were N1 really didn't help them one bit.

IB spit your information out. If you're gonna make a claim that you know how someone died, then don't leave us hanging

Agreed.[/quote]
The reason why i stayed away from the main cases, was that I didn't think that Hotshot was scum (as pointed out he had multiple colors in his role as do I.) Also by my own reasoning on the doc unvote, I was not willing to lynch a claimed cop (abiet rolecop) without some thought. In the end I still probably would have voted Wing over hotshot, but since it was futile, then I just left my vote in an unvote. What I am surprised at is that so many people jumped at mtambs crap case on hotshot without any questions at all.
Also mets, you're expecting me to have the knowledge that 3 of the people on the wagon are going to die and our claimed people are on that wagon as well. I might plan, but I thought to look back at the lynch vote since it is one primary source of information from D1. Seeing the possible pool narrowed so much is a great opportunity.
fp'd

[rishaed]

Wouldnt be surprised to see an assassin this game( I think thats what it is called) where they kill people if they guess there role right

And why not?

[StorrZerg]

Wouldnt be surprised to see an assassin this game( I think thats what it is called) where they kill people if they guess there role right

And why not?

Wing died and claimed.

To soon to tell if true.

Did anyone chat with streaker in the night?

[Metsfanmax]

The reason why i stayed away from the main cases, was that I didn't think that Hotshot was scum (as pointed out he had multiple colors in his role as do I.)

I don't entirely blame you for that. I was a bit skeptical that he was scum by the end of the day too -- could have gone either way. But if the choice was between lynching hotshot and wing or NoS, there was no way I was going to lynch the claimed cop or doc on D1. (Though it helped that wing did some things that were so newbie that I was basically certain he was town.) So I think it was reasonable to be confused as hell about what to do by the end, but I'm just not going to be convinced that lynching Wing was the right thing to do. (Though I guess this is an unfair argument because hindsight is 20/20.)

Also mets, you're expecting me to have the knowledge that 3 of the people on the wagon are going to die and our claimed people are on that wagon as well. I might plan, but I thought to look back at the lynch vote since it is one primary source of information from D1. Seeing the possible pool narrowed so much is a great opportunity.

Ok, fair enough. I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at the people who voted on the case; indeed, the whole point of having a D1 lynch is to examine the voting information. I'm just pretty skeptical of the mini claim spree. As always, if you have a case on me or anyone else, make it, get the votes, and then force a claim; I don't want to skip the usual process unless there's a really compelling reason.

[rishaed]

Ok, fair enough. I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at the people who voted on the case; indeed, the whole point of having a D1 lynch is to examine the voting information. I'm just pretty skeptical of the mini claim spree. As always, if you have a case on me or anyone else, make it, get the votes, and then force a claim; I don't want to skip the usual process unless there's a really compelling reason.

A cat for a hat or a hat for a cat. eh....
Well i guess it wasn't unexpected to get some resistance from you three...
I'm prolly going to have to dig up stuff from D1 now for my case, but its most likely going to be on mtamb.

[mtamburini]

Unless there is a counter claim to NOS he is the doc as far as I am concerned.

you are not this dumb

[mtamburini]

Wouldnt be surprised to see an assassin this game( I think thats what it is called) where they kill people if they guess there role right

And why not?

What didnt you understand I couldnt be more clearer

[mtamburini]

Ok, fair enough. I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at the people who voted on the case; indeed, the whole point of having a D1 lynch is to examine the voting information. I'm just pretty skeptical of the mini claim spree. As always, if you have a case on me or anyone else, make it, get the votes, and then force a claim; I don't want to skip the usual process unless there's a really compelling reason.

A cat for a hat or a hat for a cat. eh....
Well i guess it wasn't unexpected to get some resistance from you three...
I'm prolly going to have to dig up stuff from D1 now for my case, but its most likely going to be on mtamb.

You can try, it wont be worth your time.

[mtamburini]

My role involves me having a duo action in which hotshot claimed to have, therefore I am inclined to believe that there are 2 factions of 2 most likely or a bunch of sks, someone mentioned something about one sk having to kill another or something like that which has intrigued my interest because that would make IB prime suspect as his reasoning for kill streaker lines up with him trying to find the person who he must kill to achieve his win con.

@IB are you a one shot vig or can u shoot again?

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

Army of GOD (1) - StorrZerg
NoSurvivors (1) - dd515087

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

My role involves me having a duo action in which hotshot claimed to have, therefore I am inclined to believe that there are 2 factions of 2 most likely or a bunch of sks, someone mentioned something about one sk having to kill another or something like that which has intrigued my interest because that would make IB prime suspect as his reasoning for kill streaker lines up with him trying to find the person who he must kill to achieve his win con.

@IB are you a one shot vig or can u shoot again?

Unlimited Tex

[dd515087]

Vote Count
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot53, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing, dd515,NoSurvivors, Streaker, L-1
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Not Voting (2) - rishaed, Iron Butterfly,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4-6 hours (When I come back to the comp).

Adding Tails to Hotshot lynch...We had scum on both wagons (which doesn't say much obviously) So lets remove the dead.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, dd515,NoSurvivors L-1

And now the claimed survivor.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515
And now the claimed doc (He still could be scum)

metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515- I want your claims today.

Do you want to make a case against any of us other than we thought HotShot was scummy and he turned out not to be? Why only our claims and not AoG's or Strike's? Is it because I called you out as scummy? Seems like an OMGUS thing and pushes you further up my scum list.

I believe DD and Tam are scummiest. DD is sheeping. He listed 6 different scum who he would lynch with no definitive reasoning other then, what others think best BUT he thinks NOS would be best lynch. Unless there is a counter claim to NOS he is the doc as far as I am concerned.

Have you read any of my posts? I listed my reads on every single person in the game D1 and none of them have changed since, except that I moved rishaed and AoG further up my list to join you and NoS as scummiest. Strike and Mets are still in my middle category as I could see them going either way.

Also why is tambo scummy? Or are you only going to give reasons on me because I thought you were scummy?

[rishaed]

Vote Count
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot53, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing, dd515,NoSurvivors, Streaker, L-1
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Not Voting (2) - rishaed, Iron Butterfly,
With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4-6 hours (When I come back to the comp).

Adding Tails to Hotshot lynch...We had scum on both wagons (which doesn't say much obviously) So lets remove the dead.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, StorrZerg, dd515,NoSurvivors L-1

And now the claimed survivor.
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (4) - Army of GOD, virus90, strike wolf
Hotshot (7) - metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515
And now the claimed doc (He still could be scum)

metsfanmax, mtamburini, dd515- I want your claims today.

Do you want to make a case against any of us other than we thought HotShot was scummy and he turned out not to be? Why only our claims and not AoG's or Strike's? Is it because I called you out as scummy? Seems like an OMGUS thing and pushes you further up my scum list.

I believe DD and Tam are scummiest. DD is sheeping. He listed 6 different scum who he would lynch with no definitive reasoning other then, what others think best BUT he thinks NOS would be best lynch. Unless there is a counter claim to NOS he is the doc as far as I am concerned.

Have you read any of my posts? I listed my reads on every single person in the game D1 and none of them have changed since, except that I moved rishaed and AoG further up my list to join you and NoS as scummiest. Strike and Mets are still in my middle category as I could see them going either way.

Also why is tambo scummy? Or are you only going to give reasons on me because I thought you were scummy?

Right back at ya bud.

[mtamburini]

Wait something doesnt make sense, why are we not looking into the vote on wing for scum?

If this was already explained my bad but I was thinking about this while at work, scum most likely do not have 2kp so killing WING last night puts a lot of heat their way since we would be most likely be looking into the hotshot and wing votes to find scum.

This leads me to believe that their may just only be SK's in the game